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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:40 pm

N649DL wrote:
Regional is up but mainline is down? That's like, most US hubs in general. Every time UA makes an addition out of EWR or ORD it seems to be on an ERJ or E170.


Both regional and mainline are down:

In July 2008, Mesa operated 98 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2013, Mesa and SkyWest operated 87 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2019, Mesa operated 64 peak-day departures for US.

So yes, PHX has significantly shrank since the merger.
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:45 pm

acentauri is wrong about PHX. In fact PHX will increasingly be adding O&D specific flying to business centers such as the recently added PHX-RDU. Also the seasonal adds they did last winter worked well and we will see more of them. The Pipe dream of PHX becoming a PIT or STL is just that a dream not based in any reality.
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:26 am

compensateme wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Regional is up but mainline is down? That's like, most US hubs in general. Every time UA makes an addition out of EWR or ORD it seems to be on an ERJ or E170.


Both regional and mainline are down:

In July 2008, Mesa operated 98 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2013, Mesa and SkyWest operated 87 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2019, Mesa operated 64 peak-day departures for US.

So yes, PHX has significantly shrank since the merger.


I don't think that is exactly accurate. Skywest is operating many flights from PHX in July 19 and compared to 2013/2008, all flights are on 65+ seat aircraft - many flights were on 50 seat CRJ's previously...
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:39 am

usflyer msp wrote:
compensateme wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Regional is up but mainline is down? That's like, most US hubs in general. Every time UA makes an addition out of EWR or ORD it seems to be on an ERJ or E170.


Both regional and mainline are down:

In July 2008, Mesa operated 98 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2013, Mesa and SkyWest operated 87 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2019, Mesa operated 64 peak-day departures for US.

So yes, PHX has significantly shrank since the merger.


I don't think that is exactly accurate. Skywest is operating many flights from PHX in July 19 and compared to 2013/2008, all flights are on 65+ seat aircraft - many flights were on 50 seat CRJ's previously...


You're right, thanks for catching!! I added SkyWest for 2013 but forgot to include them for 2018. SkyWest operated 28 peak-day departures in July 2018, bringing the total to 92. So, factoring in mainline, PHX has shrunk considerably since the close of the merger. I doubt gauge will make much of a difference, since pre-merger, Mesa's CR9 were configured with 90-seats, and they operated the 19-seat BE1 to a handful of destinations (e.g. FLG) that now see 50 or more seaters.

Also, AA flights in 2008 or 2013 are not included in my or ScottB's numbers.
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:46 am

UpNAWAy wrote:
acentauri is wrong about PHX. In fact PHX will increasingly be adding O&D specific flying to business centers such as the recently added PHX-RDU. Also the seasonal adds they did last winter worked well and we will see more of them. The Pipe dream of PHX becoming a PIT or STL is just that a dream not based in any reality.


It's a cold hard reality WHEN (not if) LAX gets built out to capacity.
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:39 am

DanDun wrote:
American has 13 domestic bases
DFW- 5600 Based there
MIA- 4000
NYC- 2800
CLT-2700
LAX -2600
PHL-2600
ORD-2400
PHX- 2260
DCA-820
BOS-420
SFO-415
STL-210
RDU-95
They also have 3 bases in South America in EZE, LIM and SCL


DL for comparison:

System Wide - 23,840

ATL - 7,461
NYC - 3,943
DTW - 2,725
MSP - 1,897
LAX - 1,701
SEA - 1,403
SLC - 1,174
BOS - 768
MCO - 630
FLL - 508
HNL - 385
CVG - 341
SFO - 311
PDX - 170
TPA - 143
ORD - 59
SAN - 46

Foreign National Bases: MNL, PVG, NRT
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:39 pm

compensateme wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Regional is up but mainline is down? That's like, most US hubs in general. Every time UA makes an addition out of EWR or ORD it seems to be on an ERJ or E170.


Both regional and mainline are down:

In July 2008, Mesa operated 98 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2013, Mesa and SkyWest operated 87 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2019, Mesa operated 64 peak-day departures for US.

So yes, PHX has significantly shrank since the merger.


That's not significant at all. Significant would mean making PHX a focus city a year after the merger.

BTW, what's your point? Why are you and the other user being such contrarians over a minor point?
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:11 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
DanDun wrote:
American has 13 domestic bases
DFW- 5600 Based there
MIA- 4000
NYC- 2800
CLT-2700
LAX -2600
PHL-2600
ORD-2400
PHX- 2260
DCA-820
BOS-420
SFO-415
STL-210
RDU-95
They also have 3 bases in South America in EZE, LIM and SCL


DL for comparison:

System Wide - 23,840

ATL - 7,461
NYC - 3,943
DTW - 2,725
MSP - 1,897
LAX - 1,701
SEA - 1,403
SLC - 1,174
BOS - 768
MCO - 630
FLL - 508
HNL - 385
CVG - 341
SFO - 311
PDX - 170
TPA - 143
ORD - 59
SAN - 46

Foreign National Bases: MNL, PVG, NRT


I was shocked to see the SEA base larger than SLC ... How do the two hubs compare as far as capacity?
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:03 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
acentauri is wrong about PHX. In fact PHX will increasingly be adding O&D specific flying to business centers such as the recently added PHX-RDU. Also the seasonal adds they did last winter worked well and we will see more of them. The Pipe dream of PHX becoming a PIT or STL is just that a dream not based in any reality.


It's a cold hard reality WHEN (not if) LAX gets built out to capacity.


Not if they continue to have the same negative margins at LAX like they do today. They won't eliminate a profitable PHX hub in lieu of an unprofitable LAX hub. See JFK as an example.
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:14 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
mmahpeel wrote:
I'm assuming most of the 700 being cut out of PHX will be forced/surplussed to LAX?

Hard to imagine that many hundreds of PHX crew will just voluntarily transfer to LAX.

Far easier to deadhead PHX-LA than PHX-Dallas. Even a Double D over LAS would be easier, IMHO.


I believe there are many Double D's in LAS.
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:36 pm

N649DL wrote:
compensateme wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Regional is up but mainline is down? That's like, most US hubs in general. Every time UA makes an addition out of EWR or ORD it seems to be on an ERJ or E170.


Both regional and mainline are down:

In July 2008, Mesa operated 98 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2013, Mesa and SkyWest operated 87 peak-day departures for US.
In July 2019, Mesa operated 64 peak-day departures for US.

So yes, PHX has significantly shrank since the merger.


That's not significant at all. Significant would mean making PHX a focus city a year after the merger.

BTW, what's your point? Why are you and the other user being such contrarians over a minor point?


A couple posters suggested that PHX was up since the merger, having seen “nothing but adds” under AA. Yet mainline departures dropped by 20%, or 30 flights, with no increase in regional lift. If you include the combined AA-US operation, it’s down 40 flights, or 25%. That’s a pretty significant drop in contrast to what was asserted.

Why are you taking it personally?
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:58 pm

Of course there would be reductions of the combined post merger airline as the right size and adjust everything.
In 2017 PHX had 60199 Mainline flights flown, In 2018 they flew 59773. So now that thing are stabilized there is no big change as that is a whopping 0.71% decrease.
 
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Re: AA resize FA crew bases - grow DFW + LAX, shrink PHX + STL

Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:08 am

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DanDun wrote:
American has 13 domestic bases
DFW- 5600 Based there
MIA- 4000
NYC- 2800
CLT-2700
LAX -2600
PHL-2600
ORD-2400
PHX- 2260
DCA-820
BOS-420
SFO-415
STL-210
RDU-95
They also have 3 bases in South America in EZE, LIM and SCL


DL for comparison:

System Wide - 23,840

ATL - 7,461
NYC - 3,943
DTW - 2,725
MSP - 1,897
LAX - 1,701
SEA - 1,403
SLC - 1,174
BOS - 768
MCO - 630
FLL - 508
HNL - 385
CVG - 341
SFO - 311
PDX - 170
TPA - 143
ORD - 59
SAN - 46

Foreign National Bases: MNL, PVG, NRT


I was shocked to see the SEA base larger than SLC ... How do the two hubs compare as far as capacity?


Probably due to the number of wide body departures out of SEA to Asia & Europe

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