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Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:13 pm

When Great Lakes Airlines went under, what did they do with their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias?

It's been out of production for some time, but there remain a number in service (mostly freight) around the world. Just wondered if anyone picked up the Great Lakes Airlines castoffs? Or do they end up going to parters like TECI?

If someone did, what kind of modernization is possible with them? (ok, I know that question takes the thread on a different path...)
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:04 am

Airfleets indicates 299 went to Sahara Africa Aviation in January. Not accounted for are:

71
96
108
293
297.

At least one of these is stored in CYS according to satellite imagery.
 
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:03 am

One, I was just looking at the current aerial view of Cheyanne and I count 4 E-120's and 20 something 1900's
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:34 am

Pontius wrote:
Airfleets indicates 299 went to Sahara Africa Aviation in January. Not accounted for are:

71
96
108
293
297.

At least one of these is stored in CYS according to satellite imagery.


299 and 96 were sold to Universal Turbine Parts in November. 71 was an engine donor, parked at CYS.
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:51 am

I’m curious as to what will happen to those 1900s? I spent 6 1/2 years flying there and I have many hours in every one of them.
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:12 am

cbphoto wrote:
I’m curious as to what will happen to those 1900s? I spent 6 1/2 years flying there and I have many hours in every one of them.



Didn't they aquire a few of Air Midwest's 1900's after they closed up?
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:15 am

Most of the 2XXGL Beech tails were ex-Air Midwest, iirc.
 
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:03 am

ODwyerPW wrote:

If someone did, what kind of modernization is possible with them? (ok, I know that question takes the thread on a different path...)

I've wondered if it would be possible to reengine with the new GE Catalyst, it's 1600 hp versus the engines on the 120 now of 1800 hp, but I'd think they might be able to squeeze a bit more out of the catalyst or drop enough weight or speed from the 120 to make it worth it. There's probably not enough of a market, but the fuel efficiency and maintenance gains would be incredible.
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:28 am

EMB-120 was originally designed for 1500 hp... but 1800 hp was adopted for production models. Resticting range would require less fuel which could help eleviate some of the need for the additional hp.

Anyway, the flying I do puts me in a ton of WN 737s and allot of 19pax regional props.... and it gets a bit old with so many wornout old prop planes going tech and getting delayed. Well, anyway, that has nothing to do with Great Lakes or the long out of production EMB-120...

Maybe a plane like the Cessna Courier is what small regional operators need.
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:49 am

cbphoto wrote:
I’m curious as to what will happen to those 1900s? I spent 6 1/2 years flying there and I have many hours in every one of them.


N169 and N170 went to Alpine. The remainder haven't gone anywhere.
 
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Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:41 am

MO11 wrote:
cbphoto wrote:
I’m curious as to what will happen to those 1900s? I spent 6 1/2 years flying there and I have many hours in every one of them.


N169 and N170 went to Alpine. The remainder haven't gone anywhere.



The only two in the fleet that were fully autopilot-ready.
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:14 am

Amazing how Great Lakes was such a successful airline in the 1990s and 2000s. But they never went to the next level with RJ's. Had they done so, we can only imagine what they'd be like now. Could have been up there with the likes of SkyWest or Envoy. But instead, they are no more.
 
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:57 am

Pontius wrote:
MO11 wrote:
cbphoto wrote:
I’m curious as to what will happen to those 1900s? I spent 6 1/2 years flying there and I have many hours in every one of them.


N169 and N170 went to Alpine. The remainder haven't gone anywhere.



The only two in the fleet that were fully autopilot-ready.


Ahh yes..the two that Doug Voss personally owned! Those were the only two 1900s that ZK has that were decked out, for 1900 standards. Even had anti-skid on them! Glad to see they will continue to fly!
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Re: Great Lakes Airlines and their Embraer EMB 120 Brasilias

Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:26 am

Chuska wrote:
Amazing how Great Lakes was such a successful airline in the 1990s and 2000s. But they never went to the next level with RJ's. Had they done so, we can only imagine what they'd be like now. Could have been up there with the likes of SkyWest or Envoy. But instead, they are no more.


How would they have gone to the next level? With what money?

Part of ZK's perceived success in the '90s (I'm not sure what their financial performance actually was, but I don't think they ever really had a ton of money) was because it was United Express carrier. After ZK was downgraded to just a codeshare with UA and began flying under their own name/code/ticketing stock, they migrated out west and began taking over all the EAS markets out there. I'm not sure ZK ever could have made money on its own without all the EAS contracts.
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