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Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:29 pm

Back in the day, did the Eastern 727 title of "Whisperjet" have to do with new hush kits or Stage II noise requirements?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:34 pm

Nope. The 727 was just considered a quiet plane at the time of its introduction, especially with the engines in the back behind the cabin. So Eastern was promoting that in its marketing. Same story with deeming their L-1011 “Whisperliners”.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm

"The term "Whisperjet" was a marketing term used by Eastern Air Lines for their B-727-25 aircraft, as the plane was quieter than anything jet-powered at the time. "

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:36 pm

I don’t think it had anything to do with noise requirements as there weren’t really any back when the 727 was introduced. I think it had something to do with the tail mounted engines that made most of the cabin whisper quiet compared to underwing mounted engines.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

OK, so it was an interior cabin quiet thing....because from my house 3 miles from Seattle airport, they surely did not whisper....it was more like a thunderous ear-drum crushing audio experience! I miss those days...
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:09 pm

Even externally, the JT8D powered 727 was much quieter than early straight pipe, no-bypass ratio JT3C powered 707s and DC-8s.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:13 pm

Pontius wrote:
Even externally, the JT8D powered 727 was much quieter than early straight pipe, no-bypass ratio JT3C powered 707s and DC-8s.


Indeed, i.e. Eastern's DC-8-21s & B720s.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:17 pm

Whisperjet was also used for the DC-9s
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:03 pm

Weren't they talking about noise in the aircraft, not noise outside ? Anyone who has flown on piston aircraft, or even a turboprop of that era would notice a tremendous difference.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:48 pm

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Weren't they talking about noise in the aircraft, not noise outside ? Anyone who has flown on piston aircraft, or even a turboprop of that era would notice a tremendous difference.


Purely a marketing thing. When the 727 jets came out, most airlines "named" their airplanes. 727's in the U.S. were called Astrojets (American), Starstream (TWA), Mainliners (United), and Yellowbirds (Northeast), for example. Overseas, Swissair called their Convair 990's Coronados, and many European airlines called their CV 340/440 piston planes Metropolitans. Not to mention other names used by BEA/BOAC in the UK, Trans Canada, etc.


Either inside or out, the 727 was not noticably quieter than any of the first generation four engine jets (DC8, 707, Convair 880/990, Comet, etc.)
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:30 pm

This commercial from 1964 makes it clear

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:01 pm

727glasair wrote:
OK, so it was an interior cabin quiet thing....because from my house 3 miles from Seattle airport, they surely did not whisper....it was more like a thunderous ear-drum crushing audio experience! I miss those days...


When I was a teenager, in the early 70s, I lived for a short time in North Kansas City, which was on the flight path to the old MKC airport. When TWA's unfanned 707s took off or landed, all conversation came to a halt as you could hear absolutely nothing but the roar of their engines.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:11 pm

I am unable to attach the youtube link (operator error probably!) but go to youtube.com and in Search type in
"USAir 727 Charlotte-San Francisco". It is from a Sept 1989 segment on a PI 727-200 then operating as US a month after merger.
You'll get a feel for noise levels for a seat near the over wing exits.
A classic look at 1980's flying with smoking and complimentary dinner in coach.
The Advanced 72S could fly CLT-SFO without a load restriction. The original PSA birds PI bought to start transcon service did require fuel stops
due to passenger load or weather. If it happened every fare paying passenger on board received a crisp $20 bill distributed for the crew once we departed the fuel stop city and free open bar.
I miss those days. That is how I grew up in the industry and the sights and sounds bring memories flooding back of great times and at a much younger age. :old:
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:42 pm

PI4EVER wrote:
I am unable to attach the youtube link (operator error probably!) but go to youtube.com and in Search type in
"USAir 727 Charlotte-San Francisco". It is from a Sept 1989 segment on a PI 727-200 then operating as US a month after merger.
You'll get a feel for noise levels for a seat near the over wing exits.
A classic look at 1980's flying with smoking and complimentary dinner in coach.
The Advanced 72S could fly CLT-SFO without a load restriction. The original PSA birds PI bought to start transcon service did require fuel stops
due to passenger load or weather. If it happened every fare paying passenger on board received a crisp $20 bill distributed for the crew once we departed the fuel stop city and free open bar.
I miss those days. That is how I grew up in the industry and the sights and sounds bring memories flooding back of great times and at a much younger age. :old:

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:14 pm

The Avro146 was also named the wisperjet.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:16 pm

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The Avro146 was also named the wisperjet.


This one actually was a wisperjet, both inside and outside.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:19 pm

727glasair wrote:
Back in the day, did the Eastern 727 title of "Whisperjet" have to do with new hush kits or Stage II noise requirements?

I'm not the first to answer, but as is my habit, I will illustrate things using the a.net photo database.
Here are a 727-25C, and a DC-9-14 both clearly marked "Whisperjet"

Nothing to do with hushkits that were only fitted later, and everything to do with the engines being mounted at the back so that the pax on board benefitted from a slightly quieter ride.

p.s. The Golden Earplug Award for gross misrepresentation goes to Eastern Airways for their "WhisperStar"

Yes, the engines are at the back on this beast too.
But by hell did that thing make a noise. It should've carried a government health warning! :rotfl:
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:35 pm

haha. Yes, this referred to the noise INSIDE. Cause outside the 727 was very loud. I lived about 13 miles outside of Newark airport in the 90s and you could literally hear the DHL and/or Fed Ex 727s leaving in the middle of the night. Clearly. And when the Delta or Continental 27s would depart even during the day you could hear them well after they passed directly overhead. I really miss those birds
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:36 pm

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Purely a marketing thing. When the 727 jets came out, most airlines "named" their airplanes. 727's in the U.S. were called Astrojets (American), Starstream (TWA), Mainliners (United), and Yellowbirds (Northeast), for example. Overseas, Swissair called their Convair 990's Coronados, and many European airlines called their CV 340/440 piston planes Metropolitans. Not to mention other names used by BEA/BOAC in the UK, Trans Canada, etc.


Forgive me, but as I have written elsewhere - historically the two superpowers (America and Russia) both shared a common desire to identify their aircraft purely by alpha-numerical designator.
For instance; a USAF or USN pilot will refer to his F-4
Other nations will describe the same aircraft sometimes as a F-4, and sometimes by name as a "Phantom".
This is one of many examples.
However, it was McDonnell Douglas that originally gave it the name Phantom (II)

Likewise, US airlines only ever flew L-1011s (pronounced "L-ten-eleven"); elsewhere across the world they more often flew Lockheed Tristars.
In these six examples, only TWA have (L) 1011 written on the center engine.


Eastern Airways elected to name their L-1011 "Whisperjet", which as you correctly say, was just their own unique marketing thing.

I am fairly certain it was CONVAIR who decided to name their CV-880/CV-990 as "Coronado", not Swissair.
It is true that I can only find that name displayed on Swissair CV-990s, but both a.net and Wikipedia get in a bit of a tangle over the origin.
If you search for Coronado as a criteria, every CV-990 photo will appear, not just Swissair.

Informally, anywhere in Europe, people would see a thick cloud of black smoke on approach and say "here comes a Coronado".

I am definitely certain it was Convair who identified their CV-440 as "Metropolitan".
This was mimicked by USAF/USN with the C-131 Samaritan, and Canada with the CC-109 Cosmopolitan.
I sincerely doubt they were all copying something dreamed up by assorted European Airlines.
Quite why the name has only been associated with the 440 model, I cannot explain.

That's all folks. :wave:
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:40 pm

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Either inside or out, the 727 was not noticably quieter than any of the first generation four engine jets (DC8, 707, Convair 880/990, Comet, etc.)


While recognizing that loud is loud, I went looking for something objective. Found this 1971 Air Force study that specifically contrasts the 727 with the J57 (JT3C) powered KC-135A, a solid analog for early 707s. It shows the 727 consistently 10 EPNdB quieter across various data points. Logarithmic scale, so small changes are significant. The relevant plots are on pages 31-34:
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/740563.pdf
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:50 pm

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Eastern Airways elected to name their L-1011 "Whisperjet", which as you correctly say, was just their own unique marketing thing


Actually, as widebodies like the L-1011 and A-300 were added to the fleet, those took on the "Whisperliner" name, while the B727s and DC9s retained the "Whisperjet" name; note the "Whisperliner" name on the #2 intake on the L-1011 shown here:

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:00 am

It's telling of how successful aircraft manufacturers have been with quieting that cabin noise has ceased to be used as a marketing element, at least for jets. People pretty much never talk about it as an issue.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:16 am

Marketing and passenger service were huge sales items back then when planes were "full" Monday-Friday and "empty" on weekends. United had Mainliners (and then Friendships). American used Astrojets - then later Luxuryjets (for narrow bodies) and Luxuryliners (for widebodies). Once deregulation hit the niceties of flying started to disappear.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:49 am

Pontius wrote:
superjeff wrote:
Either inside or out, the 727 was not noticably quieter than any of the first generation four engine jets (DC8, 707, Convair 880/990, Comet, etc.)


While recognizing that loud is loud, I went looking for something objective. Found this 1971 Air Force study that specifically contrasts the 727 with the J57 (JT3C) powered KC-135A, a solid analog for early 707s. It shows the 727 consistently 10 EPNdB quieter across various data points. Logarithmic scale, so small changes are significant. The relevant plots are on pages 31-34
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/740563.pdf



The KC 135 is the military version of the 707; not a direct copy, and did not have the same soundproofing. If you compare the interior sound levels between a 727-100, 727-200, DC9, DC8, and 707/720, you'd have a better comparison. I haven't flown a KC135, but have flown on the others (and the Convair 880 and 990), and the noise levels were similar.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:53 am

Whisperliner idea is very 1960s and 1970s

Eastern A300 did not have "Whisperliner", just "A300"

No Whisperliner on Eastern bare metal, especially the 757
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:55 am

I am fairly certain it was CONVAIR who decided to name their CV-880/CV-990 as "Coronado", not Swissair.
It is true that I can only find that name displayed on Swissair CV-990s, but both a.net and Wikipedia get in a bit of a tangle over the origin.
If you search for Coronado as a criteria, every CV-990 photo will appear, not just Swissair.


Informally, anywhere in Europe, people would see a thick cloud of black smoke on approach and say "here comes a Coronado".

I am definitely certain it was Convair who identified their CV-440 as "Metropolitan".
This was mimicked by USAF/USN with the C-131 Samaritan, and Canada with the CC-109 Cosmopolitan.
I sincerely doubt they were all copying something dreamed up by assorted European Airlines.
Quite why the name has only been associated with the 440 model, I cannot explain.

That's all folks. :wave:[/quote]


Note that the U.S. airline was Eastern Air Lines, not Eastern Airways (that's a UK regional airline today).
it was actually Swissair that came up with that name. Convair gave up on the names, after the 880 was born as the "Skylark;" which didn't last, when they came up with the advance and slightly larger 990 it was never other than CV990, until Swissair decided otherwise :-)
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

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EA CO AS wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Eastern Airways elected to name their L-1011 "Whisperjet", which as you correctly say, was just their own unique marketing thing


Actually, as widebodies like the L-1011 and A-300 were added to the fleet, those took on the "Whisperliner" name, while the B727s and DC9s retained the "Whisperjet" name; note the "Whisperliner" name on the #2 intake on the L-1011 shown here:


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I must have lost concentration for some reason (probably low blood sugar levels, or a brain-fart) because I made two errors in one short sentence. :banghead:
What I should have wrote:
Eastern Airways Air Lines elected to name their L-1011 "Whisperjet", "Whisperliner" which as you correctly say, was just their own unique marketing thing

I was even looking at an image showing the correct words on the center engine at the time.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:19 am

I remember watching the first flight of the CSeries online, and they talked with the CEO of Porter who referred to it as “truly a whisperjet”. My oh my how things have changed since then.

But I will say that the A220 is pretty quiet inside, but certainly not the quietest. I haven’t heard it from outside yet but have heard that it’s super quiet.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:23 am

September11 wrote:
Whisperliner idea is very 1960s and 1970s

Eastern A300 did not have "Whisperliner", just "A300"

No Whisperliner on Eastern bare metal, especially the 757


While the A300 didn’t have “Whisperliner” titles on it, they were most assuredly referred to as such by EA.

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 am

superjeff wrote:
it was actually Swissair that came up with that name. Convair gave up on the names, after the 880 was born as the "Skylark;" which didn't last, when they came up with the advance and slightly larger 990 it was never other than CV990, until Swissair decided otherwise :-)

I'm happy to concede I got it wrong, but it sounds so odd I am going to ask if you can find a source for that explanation. I tried and failed.

FWIW I don't recall Swissair bothering with an alternative name for their DC-8s, or indeed any other type except the CV-440.
Hence I'm now beginning to doubt my logic regarding the origins of that name too. :?

On the left, under the Swiss flag on the tail, "DC-8", on the right, just "Coronado", and just "Metropolitan"


FWIW on the DC-9 and Caravelle, the Swiss flag occupied the whole tail leaving no room for aircraft type.
For the DC-10, it was written on the #2 engine. For the 747 they wrote out "Boeing 747 B" in full, instead of putting "Jumbo Jet" :lol:
(Later schemes on these and newer types also featured a larger Swiss flag, and so all references to a/c type disappeared)
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:45 am

Hush kits, noise pollution, Stage III regs, whisper quiet, peaceful environment, etc....I say HOGWASH......I kind of like loud jet airplanes...
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:03 am

SAS 990 also had Coronado designation on its tail.
Varig planes had Convair 990A
Could not find either on Gaurda 990 s
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:57 am

727glasair wrote:
Hush kits, noise pollution, Stage III regs, whisper quiet, peaceful environment, etc....I say HOGWASH......I kind of like loud jet airplanes...

you cannot say you like loud jet until you've heard an Il-86 departing.
We used to spend our family vacations near RMI that back in the early 1990's was a huge post - Soviet holiday hub.
I was already an aviation fan and instead of taking to the beach, my father took me to the airport's spotters balcony.
there were Il-86s and -62s, Tu-154s, western jets were rare.
Il-86 was indeed the most loud. Others were quiter.
Also, the airport was home to an IT AF F-104 squadron.
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:26 pm

It was called ‘whisperjet’ as it sounded like you were whispering if it flew overhead during a conversation
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:29 pm

Here's a humorous aside...

I'm told by several former EAL employees (so take the details with a grain of skepticism) that when Eastern was looking at a 727 replacement, it considered the DC-9-80. Douglas was having trouble finding a customer to jumpstart the Super 80 program and offered Eastern a sweet deal that would have seen the airplanes operated practically for free. Unfortunately Colonel Borman (who many of those former employees say "never actually returned from the moon") was overly concerned about another fuel crisis and opted instead for the more fuel efficient but far more expensive Boeing 757. In the end the costs associated with the 757 far outweighed the fuel savings, and the fuel crisis came long after Eastern was already doomed. American got the great deal on the 80 instead, and the rest is history.

So among many of the pilots, the 757s forever became the "Whisper-debts!"
 
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nagpaw wrote:
Here's a humorous aside...

I'm told by several former EAL employees (so take the details with a grain of skepticism) that when Eastern was looking at a 727 replacement, it considered the DC-9-80. Douglas was having trouble finding a customer to jumpstart the Super 80 program and offered Eastern a sweet deal that would have seen the airplanes operated practically for free. Unfortunately Colonel Borman (who many of those former employees say "never actually returned from the moon") was overly concerned about another fuel crisis and opted instead for the more fuel efficient but far more expensive Boeing 757. In the end the costs associated with the 757 far outweighed the fuel savings, and the fuel crisis came long after Eastern was already doomed. American got the great deal on the 80 instead, and the rest is history.

So among many of the pilots, the 757s forever became the "Whisper-debts!"


McDonnell-Douglas actually brought an MD80 in AA colors to MIA for EA to inspect. At least one or two models were given out in EA livery to execs.


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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:16 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
superjeff wrote:
it was actually Swissair that came up with that name. Convair gave up on the names, after the 880 was born as the "Skylark;" which didn't last, when they came up with the advance and slightly larger 990 it was never other than CV990, until Swissair decided otherwise :-)


FWIW I don't recall Swissair bothering with an alternative name for their DC-8s, or indeed any other type except the CV-440.
Hence I'm now beginning to doubt my logic regarding the origins of that name too. :?





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Marketing and passenger service were huge sales items back then when planes were "full" Monday-Friday and "empty" on weekends. United had Mainliners (and then Friendships). American used Astrojets - then later Luxuryjets (for narrow bodies) and Luxuryliners (for widebodies). Once deregulation hit the niceties of flying started to disappear.


And they ratcheted that up with the System-wide Unlimited Mileage program where you paid $299 to fly as much as you wanted on domestic routes and a $399 fare included SJU & NAS and few other Caribbean destinations. I used it once but should have really abused that, it was a great program.

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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:49 am

727glasair wrote:
Back in the day, did the Eastern 727 title of "Whisperjet" have to do with new hush kits or Stage II noise requirements?


It was the whisperjet before hushkits came out.
 
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nagpaw wrote:
Here's a humorous aside...

I'm told by several former EAL employees (so take the details with a grain of skepticism) that when Eastern was looking at a 727 replacement, it considered the DC-9-80. Douglas was having trouble finding a customer to jumpstart the Super 80 program and offered Eastern a sweet deal that would have seen the airplanes operated practically for free. Unfortunately Colonel Borman (who many of those former employees say "never actually returned from the moon") was overly concerned about another fuel crisis and opted instead for the more fuel efficient but far more expensive Boeing 757. In the end the costs associated with the 757 far outweighed the fuel savings, and the fuel crisis came long after Eastern was already doomed. American got the great deal on the 80 instead, and the rest is history.

So among many of the pilots, the 757s forever became the "Whisper-debts!"
.

they actually got a really good deal for being the launch customer (with British Airways) for the 757. That's one reason that they were all delivered with "757" on the tail.

Not sure about the MD80 question, but it would have been a good addition to the Eastern fleet. But I'm afraid Eastern's relationship with its unions any time after Captain Eddie probably doomed the carrier, and many of its problems were due to his choices.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:40 pm

Spent lots of time in both 727-100 and 200's cabins. Yes very quiet cabin until you got to the last 8-10 rows or so. The the cycling ring-ring-ring and sheer noise reduced your normal speech to a whisper (ha ha).
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:06 pm

superjeff wrote:
Pontius wrote:
superjeff wrote:
Either inside or out, the 727 was not noticably quieter than any of the first generation four engine jets (DC8, 707, Convair 880/990, Comet, etc.)


While recognizing that loud is loud, I went looking for something objective. Found this 1971 Air Force study that specifically contrasts the 727 with the J57 (JT3C) powered KC-135A, a solid analog for early 707s. It shows the 727 consistently 10 EPNdB quieter across various data points. Logarithmic scale, so small changes are significant. The relevant plots are on pages 31-34
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/740563.pdf



The KC 135 is the military version of the 707; not a direct copy, and did not have the same soundproofing. If you compare the interior sound levels between a 727-100, 727-200, DC9, DC8, and 707/720, you'd have a better comparison. I haven't flown a KC135, but have flown on the others (and the Convair 880 and 990), and the noise levels were similar.


Just a minor correction. The KC-135/C-135 was not the military version of the 707. The C-137 was. Both were derived from the 367-80. Still, I am sure the point you are making is still valid.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:26 am

EA CO AS wrote:
While the A300 didn’t have “Whisperliner” titles on it, they were most assuredly referred to as such by EA.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... e8d53816d7


That’s a great article about Eastern’s promo flight on the A300 before it entered service. At the end it mentions pictures from the flight but I can’t get them to display :banghead:

They also showed A300 Whisperliner below individual flights, just like they did for the L1011.

http://www.departedflights.com/EA030282p6.html

I love this YouTube video onboard an Eastern A300 flight from CLT-LGA. Ironically they stopped flying the A300 and L1011 into CLT just months before the new terminal with jetways opened in CLT on 5/2/82. EA had stairs for hardstand parking for Whisperliners at their CLT hub.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3TeD-Ac4Fg
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:40 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
superjeff wrote:
Forgive me, but as I have written elsewhere - historically the two superpowers (America and Russia) both shared a common desire to identify their aircraft purely by alpha-numerical designator.
For instance; a USAF or USN pilot will refer to his F-4
Other nations will describe the same aircraft sometimes as a F-4, and sometimes by name as a "Phantom".
This is one of many examples.
However, it was McDonnell Douglas that originally gave it the name Phantom (II)
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The Navy gave it the name based off their manufacturer themed schemes. McDonnel had ghostly nicknames assigned (Phantom, Banshee,Voodoo, Demon) and the USAF actually called the aircraft the F-110 Spectre. Grumman had the cats, Republic had Thunder, Douglas has Sky, Vought had pirate themes.

The military approves those nicknames and they are “official”. That’s why the F-16 was named after the Air Force Academy mascot, but the pilots like to call it the Viper. Also why Warthog isn’t an official name.
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:27 pm

FatCat wrote:
you cannot say you like loud jet until you've heard an Il-86 departing.


Or an IL-76 landing right in front of you :mrgreen:

I got that opportunity a few months ago in Mirny: https://flic.kr/p/2eSh5fA
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Re: Eastern Airlines "WHISPERJET"

Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:19 pm

PI4EVER wrote:
I am unable to attach the youtube link (operator error probably!) but go to youtube.com and in Search type in
"USAir 727 Charlotte-San Francisco". It is from a Sept 1989 segment on a PI 727-200 then operating as US a month after merger.
You'll get a feel for noise levels for a seat near the over wing exits.
A classic look at 1980's flying with smoking and complimentary dinner in coach.
The Advanced 72S could fly CLT-SFO without a load restriction. The original PSA birds PI bought to start transcon service did require fuel stops
due to passenger load or weather. If it happened every fare paying passenger on board received a crisp $20 bill distributed for the crew once we departed the fuel stop city and free open bar.
I miss those days. That is how I grew up in the industry and the sights and sounds bring memories flooding back of great times and at a much younger age. :old:

many of the Piedmont b727's were formerly owned by PSA who flew them up and Down the West coast. They didn't need the huge center tank k=like the United -222A's had which could fly coast to coast, Most all the early B727's had to stop somewhere for fuel on a Transcon.

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