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Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:25 am
by sonicruiser
So LAS recently had some snow, but not enough to cause disruptions. Central/Southern AZ is scheduled to see more snow than NV tonight and that would likely result in delays which would be more impactful at PHX than LAS as the former is much bigger for connections. Will be interesting to see how AA handles this.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:50 am
by PlanesNTrains
sonicruiser wrote:
So LAS recently had some snow, but not enough to cause disruptions. Central/Southern AZ is scheduled to see more snow than NV tonight and that would likely result in delays which would be more impactful at PHX than LAS as the former is much bigger for connections. Will be interesting to see how AA handles this.


I live 20 minutes from PHX. Snow is not in the forecast for the metro area afaik.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:09 am
by Raventech
PlanesNTrains wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
So LAS recently had some snow, but not enough to cause disruptions. Central/Southern AZ is scheduled to see more snow than NV tonight and that would likely result in delays which would be more impactful at PHX than LAS as the former is much bigger for connections. Will be interesting to see how AA handles this.


I live 20 minutes from PHX. Snow is not in the forecast for the metro area afaik.


Correct, per winter storm warning snow level is about 3000 feet, and tempurature is suppose to remain above freezing so if it did come down as snow it will melt when it hits the ground.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:16 am
by mga707
Raventech wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
So LAS recently had some snow, but not enough to cause disruptions. Central/Southern AZ is scheduled to see more snow than NV tonight and that would likely result in delays which would be more impactful at PHX than LAS as the former is much bigger for connections. Will be interesting to see how AA handles this.


I live 20 minutes from PHX. Snow is not in the forecast for the metro area afaik.


Correct, per winter storm warning snow level is about 3000 feet, and tempurature is suppose to remain above freezing so if it did come down as snow it will melt when it hits the ground.


TUS is more likely to see snow than PHX. 2400' vs. 1100' elevation. We're hoping for it--if it's cold and wet it might as well snow. Last measurable snow at TUS was six years ago today--1 inch on 2/20/13.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:27 am
by Byrdluvs747
I lived in PHX for 30 years, and in that time snow had only managed to reach the ground(and melt immediately) once back in 1990. You may see some snow in the higher elevations surrounding the valley, but basically never on a PHX runway.

For historical context, the last time there was measurable snow in PHX was back in the 1930's. I believe it was 1 inch.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:33 am
by mga707
Byrdluvs747 wrote:
I lived in PHX for 30 years, and in that time snow had only managed to reach the ground(and melt immediately) once back in 1990. You may see some snow in the higher elevations surrounding the valley, but basically never on a PHX runway.

For historical context, the last time there was measurable snow in PHX was back in the 1930's. I believe it was 1 inch.


Confirming that the +/- 1300' elevation difference between PHX and TUS makes a big difference. Tucson's had around 20 instances of 1 inch or more snow recorded officially by the NWS or it's predecessor since 1937. Record was nearly 7 inches on December 8/9, 1971. Yes, that did shut down TUS.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:37 am
by slcdeltarumd11
It's not going to snow in PHX , what you saw was for the mountains. Places in view of PHX will get good snow, but it's not gonna fall at the low elevation airport.

Also you need to remember somewhere like LAS is near places that get a lot of snow. Plows and salt trucks are plentiful nearby because of mountains. Nevada and Arizona have plenty of trucks and plows. If they really needed to treat the runway at LAS they would be able to. A place like MCO or TPA would be much more isolated if there was a freak snow event. They would be much further from plows or salt trucks etc etc.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:51 am
by Veigar
Did LAS get any meaningful amounts of snow on its runway? Would make for some really cool photos.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:51 am
by jetwet1
Veigar wrote:
Did LAS get any meaningful amounts of snow on its runway? Would make for some really cool photos.


The first big wave came through the valley starting around 8pm, it didn't stick then, we had lite snow of and on all night, it's just started really snowing in my area again 2:50am.

Looks nice, but there are a lot of homes without power and the temp is dropping.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:17 pm
by cledaybuck
Forecasted snowfall amounts across northern Arizona. https://www.weather.gov/fgz/

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:34 pm
by sonicruiser

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:13 am
by KICT
KFLG getting snow is not noteworthy.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:18 am
by ytib
KFLG: 7000'
KPHX: 1086'
KTUS: 2643'

KLAS: 2181'

KABQ: 5312'
KSAF: 6348'

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:21 am
by arcticcruiser
jetwet1 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Did LAS get any meaningful amounts of snow on its runway? Would make for some really cool photos.


The first big wave came through the valley starting around 8pm, it didn't stick then, we had lite snow of and on all night, it's just started really snowing in my area again 2:50am.

Looks nice, but there are a lot of homes without power and the temp is dropping.


Does´nt take much does it?

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:31 am
by mga707
Snow is now out of the forecast for all lower elevation areas of southern Arizona. Just rain. I was hoping to wake up to white stuff, but 'tis not to be. Have to go up to Mt. Lemmon (9000').

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:56 am
by EA CO AS
KICT wrote:
KFLG getting snow is not noteworthy.


It is when it's the largest single day of snowfall in history for them:

https://twitter.com/NWSFlagstaff/status ... 7309088769

Regarding PHX, the airport is at a fairly low elevation so snow seldom occurs, and when it does, it won't stick. My house backs up against the McDowell Mountains at a higher elevation, and we may see snow flurries at one point but it won't stick either, although it may up on the mountains.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:57 am
by amcnd
I saw snow in PHX this winter. The local church trucked it in. was pretty cool to see all the kids playing on it..

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:01 am
by jetwet1
arcticcruiser wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Did LAS get any meaningful amounts of snow on its runway? Would make for some really cool photos.


The first big wave came through the valley starting around 8pm, it didn't stick then, we had lite snow of and on all night, it's just started really snowing in my area again 2:50am.

Looks nice, but there are a lot of homes without power and the temp is dropping.


Does´nt take much does it?


Especially out here, driving to fast, using power poles to help stop, our cul-de-sac had no power for most of last night, thankfully we have our powerwalls plus a log fireplace, so we were good, most of the homes in this area have firplaces so they at least had heat.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:18 am
by Adipocere
ytib wrote:
KFLG: 7000'
KPHX: 1086'
KTUS: 2643'

KLAS: 2181'

KABQ: 5312'
KSAF: 6348'


Wow did not realize PHX is actually a 1000 feet up. I thought it would be closer to the SoCal hot cities at or even below sea level (Thermal, Yuma etc). It’s actually surprising that PHX gets as hellishly hot as it does being a 1000 feet up.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:20 am
by Veigar
Annnnd there goes the snow. Won't be seeing that in Vegas again for another 15 years give or take.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:20 am
by barney captain
Do we really need 3 separate threads on something that isn't happening?

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:37 pm
by mga707
mga707 wrote:
Snow is now out of the forecast for all lower elevation areas of southern Arizona. Just rain. I was hoping to wake up to white stuff, but 'tis not to be. Have to go up to Mt. Lemmon (9000').


Should have known. Measurable snow this morning in Tucson. Still snowing as of 0930, over an inch at my house which is 10 miles east of TUS and a little higher.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:50 pm
by airzona11
TUS getting some good snow. University of Arizona campus getting a good dusting as well. Great scene on the mountains North and East of PHX.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:55 pm
by UpNAWAy
KICT wrote:
KFLG getting snow is not noteworthy.



Breaking a 100 year old records is, as is getting 36 inches in 24 hours...

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:18 pm
by ikramerica
That is a very cold storm. We had it in socal near BUR yesterday and during the day! we had flurries at 1000’ feet. It was a snow hail, round like hail but soft and white and not. dense. If you gathered it together in your hand it formed slush balls.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:18 pm
by sonicruiser
Not everyday you see snow covered cactus...

Pics courtesy of TUS Twitter: https://twitter.com/TucsonAirport

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Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:05 pm
by AAtakeMeAway
OK just please don't start another thread "Snow in TUS" .

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:05 am
by jetmechanicdave
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
OK just please don't start another thread "Snow in TUS" .


Exactly lol

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:20 am
by Byrdluvs747
sonicruiser wrote:
Not everyday you see snow covered cactus...


For those outside of AZ, yes. Its not a strange sight to natives and residents.

Re: Snow at PHX?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:48 am
by wetpantsmcgee
There's a dusting on the foothills behind Scottsdale, I'd say the snow level almost got down to 2000'. Weird sight to see taking the kids to school.