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Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:56 pm

I'm hearing this happened around 12:45. Local time. MIA-IAH. Didn't see a thread.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:58 pm

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1099 ... 43971?s=21

NBC says initial report was 3 people on board.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:00 pm

Aircraft is N1217A, a 26 year old 767 freighter operated by Atlas for Amazon
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:00 pm

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:07 pm

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:11 pm

Some basic info so far...

https://6abc.com/crews-responding-to-ca ... y/5153229/

“The Federal Aviation Administration issued an Alert Notice (ALNOT) on Atlas Air Flight 3591 after losing radar and radio contact with the Boeing 767 approximately 30 miles southeast of Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport. The aircraft was flying from Miami to Houston.”
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:14 pm

There seemed to be a line of storms north of the flight path. Not sure if the flight encountered them.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:15 pm

Last return of -29,504FPM... Thats not a good sign...
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:16 pm

Yikes. Hope the crew is ok, or at the very least it was quick. It’ll be interesting to see what caused this.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:17 pm

Live news coverage from the scene https://abc13.com/5153229/
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:18 pm

nickflightx wrote:
Last return of -29,504FPM... Thats not a good sign...


Well.. there won’t be much left of that bird. Condolences to the families of the crew.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:18 pm

Brandon757 wrote:
Live news coverage from the scene https://abc13.com/5153229/


I see alot of floating cardboard...
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:20 pm

Holy shit, that debris field in the lake? Zero percent chance of survival. Rest In Peace.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:23 pm

I wonder if they had a shipment of lithium ion batteries on board?
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:24 pm

TFR established up to 2000 ft AGL: https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_7765.html
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:24 pm

Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:25 pm

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:25 pm

Thoughts to those onboard and their families. Given that was an Amazon flight it likely rules out CoG issues that we can see in cargo situations.

Will be interesting to find cause. CVR and FDR should be relatively recoverable given the location.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:26 pm

Condolences to the family
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:26 pm

jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


You are probably thinking of a Windshear. They only really come into play on approach. Let's wait and see what the facts show.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:29 pm

jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


Downbursts usually are only dangerous on final approach, which it seems this flight was not. Also modern airliners are equipped with equipment to detect downdrafts. I think we'll have to see if there was a mayday call to have a clue what happened.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:29 pm

If I’m using this site correctly, radar image at the time of the accident over the bay.
https://weather.us/radar-us/4869787a53c7c59638f23d582b843d9a/reflectivity-composite/KHGX_20190223-184400z.html
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:30 pm

A friend that's a commercial pilot posted a reply on Facebook that they're getting beat up by turbulence all over Texas today.... moderate to severe turbulence being reported by other pilots.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:30 pm

Good god that decent rate, hoping for the best but that is not good.

Here is the aircraft before departure for this flight.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:32 pm

jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


Microburst?
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:33 pm

Condolences to the families...

It’s been a long time since we had a plane crash of a jet in that size in the US...
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:33 pm

It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:35 pm

Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:35 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.


Indeed something went drastically wrong at about 6500ft because it went from -2000fpm to -4700fpm and the final reading of -7000fpm within a minute.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N12 ... H/tracklog
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:38 pm

Wonder if they got a emergency call to ATC our before impact.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:39 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Condolences to the families...

It’s been a long time since we had a plane crash of a jet in that size in the US...


There was the UPS A300 a few years ago. Before that, the last mainline jet that I recall crashing in the US was the AA A300 in 2001.

But yes, tragic as today's events are, we are fortunate that it is such an incredibly rare occurrence.

I'll be interested to learn what happened. 767s don't just normally fall out of the sky like that.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:40 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.


Indeed something went drastically wrong at about 6500ft because it went from -2000fpm to -4700fpm and the final reading of -7000fpm within a minute.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N12 ... H/tracklog


Heading went from 311 to 330 back to mid 270s in the last 2 minutes of flight. Speed also dropped from 300 to 245 in that time.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Wonder if they got a emergency call to ATC our before impact.


Apparently no distress call
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 4224012293

Here are weather conditions about an hour after accident.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm

Nothing but small pieces of debris and oil slick.

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm

KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:43 pm

Airlive confirmed there were no survivors
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:44 pm

Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight

True, but there were still people on the plane. 3 (possibly confirmed?) deaths is still 3 too many...

Prayers and thoughts go out to the families of those on board...
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:48 pm

Really strange accident, looks like some kind of loss of control.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:49 pm

Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:49 pm

That debris field...ugh. Echoes of Swissair 111.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:50 pm

Miami wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.


A death is a death is a death, no matter what the haul.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:52 pm

Trinity Bay is only about 2-3 meters deep. There's a good chance the CVR and FDR are burried deep in the mud. My condolences to crew.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:54 pm

Agreed that this will be an interesting case to solve. Problem with cargo, or a crew error?

Condolences to families of those 3.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:57 pm

Confirmed, no survivors: https://www.local10.com/news/local/miam ... icials-say

Such a horrible incident. And yes, it will be interesting to see what the cause of this was.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:57 pm

Miami wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.


He was a little callous about it, but I understand his point. Three lives lost are too many, especially if it's your family member. But 3 is a lot better than 250 lives lost.

Tragic as this is, we can also be thankful it wasn't far worse.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:00 pm

Did they fly right into the cell?

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm

KICT wrote:
Did they fly right into the cell?

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Maybe. Reports say it went down at 1245pm, so the image from 1220 makes sense.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm

Very sad, as others have shared, my condolences to the families and friends of the crew.

The picture show she was a lovely bird, so many questions as to what happened, what caused this.

DfwRevolution wrote:
Trinity Bay is only about 2-3 meters deep. There's a good chance the CVR and FDR are burried deep in the mud. My condolences to crew.

It will be quite the excavation project. Lots of weirs or one giant one surrounding the impact site. One thing though is that it is likely a fairly compact crash area. Most of the aircraft, all the energy, absorbed by the mud and water.

Again, my heart goes out to those affected.

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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight

True, but there were still people on the plane. 3 (possibly confirmed?) deaths is still 3 too many...

Prayers and thoughts go out to the families of those on board...


Would a flight like this have a loadmaster? Or is the 3rd person likely to have been deadheading?
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:05 pm

That`s the last you want to hear after you got a decent shot of that very aircraft :crying: - snapped it during my recent spottertour to MIA:

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RIP to the crew and condolences to all families !
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