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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:58 pm

Does anyone have a link for the ATC recording?
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:58 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Tragic. Condolences to those involved.

My speculation would be a sudden in flight breakup. To me that explains the lack of communication and large pieces of debris.


Kind of what I am thinking. This is an older frame and maybe some corrosion issues went undetected? Some turbulence from the storms maybe caused part of the left wing to stress at a weak point and break off? Would explain the sudden left turn and dive. Just a Monday morning quarterback. I will be watching this investigation closely.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:58 pm

IThe LiveATC link is on the previous page
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:00 pm

This particular 767 belonged to who before going cargo? Just curious.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:00 pm

Braniff7272 wrote:
This particular 767 belonged to who before going cargo? Just curious.

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25865.htm
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:01 pm

KICT wrote:
Braniff7272 wrote:
This particular 767 belonged to who before going cargo? Just curious.

https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25865.htm


Thank you for the quick reply.
 
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Re: Atlas Air or Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:03 pm

flymia wrote:
Rumors are the third person was a regional airline pilot jump seating.

It was cruising at 40,000ft doubt it had much heavy cargo on board.

Very odd 767s don't crash like this. The list of what it can be is really not that large for such a decent rate.


He was a regional guy who just got a class date at UAL. Sad.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:03 pm

Braniff7272 wrote:
This particular 767 belonged to who before going cargo? Just curious.


From this : https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25865.htm

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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Anyone know what the previous tail number was before switching to Amazon?
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Lmao the A220's engines (PW1500G) at low thrust levels sound like Chewbacca
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:05 pm

canyonblue17 wrote:
Anyone know what the previous tail number was before switching to Amazon?


Air fleets has the full history

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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:06 pm

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I understand situations like this in the flight deck can change rapidly but the left turn is peculiar. You'd think they would have at least made a radio call.


In an emergency - pilots are supposed to (1) fly the airplane, (2) work the problem, (3) communicate with ATC. A radio call is not the top priority of pilots trying to handle an emergency

Found where the 'construction equipment' item came from

This is from KPRC TV's story on the crash (Houston TV station).

According to Atlas Air Inc.'s website, the company transports items from "precious perishables or heavy construction equipment to arranging passenger charters for celebrities or dignitaries."


it was just a generic description of what Atlas Air does - the wide range of missions for their aircraft. Not a specific description of the crash aircraft.

You have to remember a TV station crew/ staff has likely never heard of Atlas Air. They and the general public have no idea such an airline exists. They likely think all cargo flights are either UPS, FedEx or military. Most people will be surprised that Amazon has branded aircraft, and that they are actually flown by Atlas.

EDIT

Also from KPRC

"It looks like total devastation from the aircraft part," Chambers County Sheriff Brian C. Hawthorne said. "Knowing what I saw, there can't be any survivors."

The Federal Aviation Administration said initial reports indicated that there were three people on board.

The sheriff said witnesses told authorities the plane went into a nose dive, then went into the water nose-first.

He said witnesses said they heard what sounded like lightning before the plane went down.

Investigators could be at the scene for weeks, the sheriff said.
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Re: Atlas Air or Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:06 pm

Chaostheory wrote:
This more more of a general remark which may or may not be relevant to this accident, but it's funny how often I see crews willing to fly through cells and the associated crappy weather on approach yet they would give the same weather a wide berth at cruise.


In the approach phase all pax should be belted in, all the galley equipment is long stowed, and the FAs are headed towards or (if given a heads up) strapped into their seats. We're prepared for it, and given the busier, constrained airspace of the terminal environment it makes more sense to take a few lumps. In cruise with the seatbelt sign 'off' all the chaos of people/luggage/carts everywhere takes forever to get secured, and that poses and incovenience to our customers and crew. So we deviate.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:06 pm

According to local reports, both black boxes have already been recovered.

I am very surprised that they didn't get buried...but would that indicate an inflight breakup? They also have not found the tail section last I heard.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:07 pm

Jgsushi wrote:


Thank you. Yes, posted on the previous page:

blackbox67 wrote:
Here's a portion of the ATC chatter minutes before the accident. At some time the controller indicates she's picking up an ELT signal.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kiah/KIAH-App-Feb-23-2019-1830Z.mp3
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:10 pm

iad51fl wrote:
They also have not found the tail section last I heard.

They have found the tail section.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:12 pm

Chambers County Sheriff has said witnesses told authorities that Atlas Air Flight 3591 went into a nose dive, then went into the water nose-first

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=405483013585823&id=42354254341&_rdr
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:13 pm

Really hope that security cameras will be beneficial. Wouldn't be suprised at all if there aren't multiple videos showing this crash. That entire area is rich in security cams, and rightfully so.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:13 pm

iad51fl wrote:
I am very surprised that they didn't get buried...but would that indicate an inflight breakup? They also have not found the tail section last I heard.

When SWR111 impacted water, the impact was in excess of 350 g. This impact doesn't look quite as violent given the raw data obtained thus far but it surely would have been a similar force.
Given the debris field seen in the videos so far, the air frame quite literally probably exploded upon impact into many hundred of thousands of pieces.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:13 pm

SWADawg wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
Saw the video on youtube which is deleted. Airplane feel apart in the mid air and pieces on fire fell on the ground.

Incendiary device onboard?


The sheriff just completed a news conference. Eye witnesses stated the plane went in nose first. No smoke, no fire. Went in to an area that is 5 feet at its deepest but mostly muddy marsh.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:17 pm

usflyguy wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
Saw the video on youtube which is deleted. Airplane feel apart in the mid air and pieces on fire fell on the ground.

Incendiary device onboard?


The sheriff just completed a news conference. Eye witnesses stated the plane went in nose first. No smoke, no fire. Went in to an area that is 5 feet at its deepest but mostly muddy marsh.


Reminds me of the ValueJet incident. But, surprising the everglades didn't give up much of the remains of the aircraft. Almost as if the earth just swallowed it. But, different incident with different circumstances. But, extremely tragic no matter what the situation, as most things are.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:18 pm

usflyguy wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
Saw the video on youtube which is deleted. Airplane feel apart in the mid air and pieces on fire fell on the ground.

Incendiary device onboard?


The sheriff just completed a news conference. Eye witnesses stated the plane went in nose first. No smoke, no fire. Went in to an area that is 5 feet at its deepest but mostly muddy marsh.


Is it mechanically possible for the left spoiler to activate (failure) and go into full ground deflection? What would the result of that be?

So far sounds like the aircraft was in one piece which would lead to either a flight control malfunction or sabotage by someone on board. I doubt the latter but I am sure the professionals will be investigating every possible scenario.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:20 pm

KICT wrote:
You'd think they would have at least made a radio call.


Aviate, navigate, communicate in that order so communication is low on the last in a hands on emergency.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:24 pm

Just a local observational note. I live about 25 miles due east of the crash site. The small line of rain that came through here that people see on the radar was not at all severe. There was a pick up in wind with some gusts, then moderate/heavy rainfall, but the winds were not more than 20 mph. And the heavy part of the rain lasted only about 3 minutes. I just don't see this as enough to push any large plane with a capable crew out of the sky.
Also, this portion of Trinity Bay ( part of the larger Galveston Bay complex) is very shallow, most of that area is less than 8' or 2.5 meters in depth. Unless this was a very high speed impact ( it could have been), recovery of the plane should not be terribly difficult. With Houston/Galveston being a center of offshore oil production, there will be heavy lifting equipment in the area available for recovery.
My thoughts are with the families of the crew. I'm sorry for their loss.
 
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Re: Atlas Air or Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 pm

log0008 wrote:
Note the left turn towards they bay about 2 mins before impact is not part of the standard approach the aircraft was on. Dispute a number of aircraft including UAL1788 flying the same route right after GTI3591 no others made that turn.

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Maybe they had a problem so serious they tried to do a water landing? Instead of waiting until they were over the city.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 pm

Just another bit of interesting info from FR24 data, even in the rapid final decent the aircraft remained on a 275 heading the whole way down.

For me the main point about the left turn is that it was before the loss of control started, the decent rate was around 2300fpm before, during and after the turn. There doesn't seem to be any ATC recording of them requesting, being told or advising of the turn. This to me means that something was going on before the loss of control, thus eliminating factors like an in flight break up or rudder hard over for example.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:32 pm

Tragic news. Thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those lost.

I listened to the ATC feed. Around 6:19 you can hear what sounds like e 3591 asking to deviate west, but the controller tells him he has departures in that area and he’ll have to send them further down (south?, he gets stepped on I think by 3591). Then 3591 says they’ll just go East then. I didn’t hear them again, but it sounds like there’s multiple freqs in this feed (all departure and all arrivals so some stuff gets clipped). Around the 10:02 mark you hear them start asking about ELTs.
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:32 pm

KICT wrote:
Did they fly right into the cell?

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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:34 pm

I think we'll need to look at the black box data first before starting to guess what really happened.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:36 pm

Damn :(
Condolences to the families.

I don't think weight was the issue. After all amazon always has half box of air.
Also the Sheriff speaking on TV said he heard there was a distress call.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:36 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Tragic. Condolences to those involved.

My speculation would be a sudden in flight breakup. To me that explains the lack of communication and large pieces of debris.


From the data we have it all happened in 20 seconds from start to finish, so no communication isn't really surprising. I expect it to have hit in one piece.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:40 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
Damn :(
Condolences to the families.

I don't think weight was the issue. After all amazon always has half box of air.
Also the Sheriff speaking on TV said he heard there was a distress call.


There was none. At least nothing live atc picked up.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Very sad and tragic news indeed.

I remember only one 767 that came down as suddenly as this flight did - the Lauda Air Crash in Thailand in 91, caused by an inflight deployment of one of the thrust reversers at close to cruising speed.
At lower speed though a similar occurrence shouldn’t have such a catastrophic outcome as it had been simulated during test flights.

Hope the cause of this unfortunate accident and why the three souls onboard had to lose their lives will be uncovered swiftly..
 
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Re: Atlas Air or Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:49 pm

impilot wrote:
flymia wrote:
Rumors are the third person was a regional airline pilot jump seating.

It was cruising at 40,000ft doubt it had much heavy cargo on board.

Very odd 767s don't crash like this. The list of what it can be is really not that large for such a decent rate.


He was a regional guy who just got a class date at UAL. Sad.

Miami-based? Envoy or Republic?
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:52 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
impilot wrote:
flymia wrote:
Rumors are the third person was a regional airline pilot jump seating.

It was cruising at 40,000ft doubt it had much heavy cargo on board.

Very odd 767s don't crash like this. The list of what it can be is really not that large for such a decent rate.


He was a regional guy who just got a class date at UAL. Sad.

Miami-based? Envoy or Republic?


Talk is a Mesa jumpseater most likely commuting to work in IAH.


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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:53 pm

flymia wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Damn :(
Condolences to the families.

I don't think weight was the issue. After all amazon always has half box of air.
Also the Sheriff speaking on TV said he heard there was a distress call.


There was none. At least nothing live atc picked up.

Someone mentioned that the controller picked up the ELT signal. Perhaps that was turned into the "distress call" by the sheriff or the reporter.
 
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Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:54 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
KICT wrote:
Did they fly right into the cell?

Image

They were likely beneath it...


Even with a double flame out they wouldn't have had such a steep decent no?


Double flame out doesn't explain the rapid dive (it was a dive not descent).
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Braniff7272 wrote:
Reminds me of the ValueJet incident. But, surprising the everglades didn't give up much of the remains of the aircraft. Almost as if the earth just swallowed it. But, different incident with different circumstances. But, extremely tragic no matter what the situation, as most things are.


That was due to the unique circumstances of ValueJet 592: despite appearances, there was a shelf of limestone just 8 feet below the surface. Hence, that shattered aircraft.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:57 pm

ilovelamp wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
impilot wrote:

He was a regional guy who just got a class date at UAL. Sad.

Miami-based? Envoy or Republic?


Talk is a Mesa jumpseater most likely commuting to work in IAH.


ILL


Yes. Mesa JS. FO was ex-Mesa as well. CA was ex XJT I believe. Not that it matters much at this point...sad regardless.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:06 pm

SWADawg wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
Saw the video on youtube which is deleted. Airplane feel apart in the mid air and pieces on fire fell on the ground.

Incendiary device onboard?


On an Amazon flight? Doubt it.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:13 pm

Oh my god. I drove past that airplane this morning and saw it getting fueled for the accident flight. I can’t believe it’s destroyed now.
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Re: Atlas Air or Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:14 pm

F9Animal wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
Wow, and with the weather too, one must wonder if the turbulence might have caused a major shift in the COG? I read the plane might have been carrying construction equipment.


Forgive me for my ignorance but don’t amazons planes (atlas in this case) just carry parcels?


That's what I have always thought. But, who knows? Maybe they were also carrying some heavy equipment? For the life of me, I cant find the article that mentioned they were carrying construction equipment. Perhaps someone can confirm? I mean, it's still Atlas metal, maybe they might add some additional stuff sometimes?


All aircraft leased to Amazon are only allowed to fly Amazon freight. There would be no construction equipment onboard. Both Atlas and CAM have spares that can fly other things when not filling in for Amazon, but this was definitely not one of those (they are not painted in Prime Air Livery).
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:16 pm

Reports now saying “dissipating thunderstorm line”. Collapsing storm draft?
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:18 pm

edu2703 wrote:
Chambers County Sheriff has said witnesses told authorities that Atlas Air Flight 3591 went into a nose dive, then went into the water nose-first

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=405483013585823&id=42354254341&_rdr

This loss of pitch control almost certainly indicates something went wrong in regards to the horizontal stabilizer.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:24 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Oh my god. I drove past that airplane this morning and saw it getting fueled for the accident flight. I can’t believe it’s destroyed now.

And can you believe more importantly 3 people lost their life! These people have colleagues that happen to be in forums such as this one.
 
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:24 pm

It could also be some kind of intentional action by the pilot.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:29 pm

Aesma wrote:
It could also be some kind of intentional action by the pilot.


God I hope not.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:31 pm

Sad to hear the news. It appears that the ETL operated as designed, although in this case the wreckage would have been located quickly anyway.

Edit: Listening to the VASAviation recording it appears that the ELT didn’t activate.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:32 pm

Ugh....this after a 3-leg GA trip today in a Piper PA-28 in the AUS/SAT area. I was feeling grateful for having had the chance to perform two landings near the max crosswind component of the aircraft. Very sad. I feel for the families.
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Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:33 pm

bralo20 wrote:
KICT wrote:
You'd think they would have at least made a radio call.
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Aviate, navigate, communicate in that order so communication is low on the last in a hands on emergency.


That is a Airliners.net myth but not the way pilots work. For example when ATC says go around, pilots say on the radio "go around" and then do what needs for go around.

Pilots can do several things simultaneously! Most of the time they can aviate, navigate, communicate at the same time. Its basic CRM.

In this situation it was something where most likely aviate, navigate, communicate was not an option but it was something worse.
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Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos