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Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:56 pm
by GFB
I'm hearing this happened around 12:45. Local time. MIA-IAH. Didn't see a thread.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:58 pm
by MartyMcFlyYYC
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1099 ... 43971?s=21

NBC says initial report was 3 people on board.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:00 pm
by rufusmi
Aircraft is N1217A, a 26 year old 767 freighter operated by Atlas for Amazon

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:00 pm
by NIKV69

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:07 pm
by edu2703
Image

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:11 pm
by CRJ200flyer
Some basic info so far...

https://6abc.com/crews-responding-to-ca ... y/5153229/

“The Federal Aviation Administration issued an Alert Notice (ALNOT) on Atlas Air Flight 3591 after losing radar and radio contact with the Boeing 767 approximately 30 miles southeast of Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport. The aircraft was flying from Miami to Houston.”

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:14 pm
by NIKV69
There seemed to be a line of storms north of the flight path. Not sure if the flight encountered them.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:15 pm
by nickflightx
Last return of -29,504FPM... Thats not a good sign...

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:16 pm
by CLTRampRat
Yikes. Hope the crew is ok, or at the very least it was quick. It’ll be interesting to see what caused this.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:17 pm
by Brandon757
Live news coverage from the scene https://abc13.com/5153229/

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:18 pm
by CLTRampRat
nickflightx wrote:
Last return of -29,504FPM... Thats not a good sign...


Well.. there won’t be much left of that bird. Condolences to the families of the crew.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:18 pm
by kjeld0d
Brandon757 wrote:
Live news coverage from the scene https://abc13.com/5153229/


I see alot of floating cardboard...

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:20 pm
by Lemieux
Holy shit, that debris field in the lake? Zero percent chance of survival. Rest In Peace.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:23 pm
by KICT
I wonder if they had a shipment of lithium ion batteries on board?

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:24 pm
by Acey
TFR established up to 2000 ft AGL: https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_7765.html

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:24 pm
by jetsetterusa
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:25 pm
by jrkmsp
An ex-LAN, ex-China Southern, ex-Canadian jet. 27 years old almost.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:25 pm
by osiris30
Thoughts to those onboard and their families. Given that was an Amazon flight it likely rules out CoG issues that we can see in cargo situations.

Will be interesting to find cause. CVR and FDR should be relatively recoverable given the location.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:26 pm
by hayzel777
Condolences to the family

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:26 pm
by BoeingGuy
jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


You are probably thinking of a Windshear. They only really come into play on approach. Let's wait and see what the facts show.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:29 pm
by drdisque
jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


Downbursts usually are only dangerous on final approach, which it seems this flight was not. Also modern airliners are equipped with equipment to detect downdrafts. I think we'll have to see if there was a mayday call to have a clue what happened.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:29 pm
by CRJ200flyer
If I’m using this site correctly, radar image at the time of the accident over the bay.
https://weather.us/radar-us/4869787a53c7c59638f23d582b843d9a/reflectivity-composite/KHGX_20190223-184400z.html

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:30 pm
by usxguy
A friend that's a commercial pilot posted a reply on Facebook that they're getting beat up by turbulence all over Texas today.... moderate to severe turbulence being reported by other pilots.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:30 pm
by ikolkyo
Good god that decent rate, hoping for the best but that is not good.

Here is the aircraft before departure for this flight.
Image
https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 4589816832

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:32 pm
by OccupiedLav
jetsetterusa wrote:
Do you guys think you could be a downdraft? Or whatever it's called ...


Microburst?

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:33 pm
by N14AZ
Condolences to the families...

It’s been a long time since we had a plane crash of a jet in that size in the US...

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:33 pm
by BWIAirport
It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:35 pm
by KLASM83
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:35 pm
by ikolkyo
BWIAirport wrote:
It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.


Indeed something went drastically wrong at about 6500ft because it went from -2000fpm to -4700fpm and the final reading of -7000fpm within a minute.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N12 ... H/tracklog

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:38 pm
by NIKV69
Wonder if they got a emergency call to ATC our before impact.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:39 pm
by BoeingGuy
N14AZ wrote:
Condolences to the families...

It’s been a long time since we had a plane crash of a jet in that size in the US...


There was the UPS A300 a few years ago. Before that, the last mainline jet that I recall crashing in the US was the AA A300 in 2001.

But yes, tragic as today's events are, we are fortunate that it is such an incredibly rare occurrence.

I'll be interested to learn what happened. 767s don't just normally fall out of the sky like that.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:40 pm
by strangeplanes
ikolkyo wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
It was descending normally at around -2000fpm until the last 90 seconds or so of flight. Whatever happened, it must've been very quick and sudden.


Indeed something went drastically wrong at about 6500ft because it went from -2000fpm to -4700fpm and the final reading of -7000fpm within a minute.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N12 ... H/tracklog


Heading went from 311 to 330 back to mid 270s in the last 2 minutes of flight. Speed also dropped from 300 to 245 in that time.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm
by ikolkyo
NIKV69 wrote:
Wonder if they got a emergency call to ATC our before impact.


Apparently no distress call
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 4224012293

Here are weather conditions about an hour after accident.
Image
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 4224012293

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm
by Miami
Nothing but small pieces of debris and oil slick.

Image

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:41 pm
by Vladex
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:43 pm
by BWIAirport
Airlive confirmed there were no survivors

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:44 pm
by FA9295
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight

True, but there were still people on the plane. 3 (possibly confirmed?) deaths is still 3 too many...

Prayers and thoughts go out to the families of those on board...

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:48 pm
by Aesma
Really strange accident, looks like some kind of loss of control.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:49 pm
by Miami
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:49 pm
by KICT
That debris field...ugh. Echoes of Swissair 111.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:50 pm
by KLASM83
Miami wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.


A death is a death is a death, no matter what the haul.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:52 pm
by DfwRevolution
Trinity Bay is only about 2-3 meters deep. There's a good chance the CVR and FDR are burried deep in the mud. My condolences to crew.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:54 pm
by Veigar
Agreed that this will be an interesting case to solve. Problem with cargo, or a crew error?

Condolences to families of those 3.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:57 pm
by FA9295
Confirmed, no survivors: https://www.local10.com/news/local/miam ... icials-say

Such a horrible incident. And yes, it will be interesting to see what the cause of this was.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:57 pm
by BoeingGuy
Miami wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight


Does it matter what type of flight it was? Lives were lost.


He was a little callous about it, but I understand his point. Three lives lost are too many, especially if it's your family member. But 3 is a lot better than 250 lives lost.

Tragic as this is, we can also be thankful it wasn't far worse.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:00 pm
by KICT
Did they fly right into the cell?

Image

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm
by KLASM83
KICT wrote:
Did they fly right into the cell?

Image


Maybe. Reports say it went down at 1245pm, so the image from 1220 makes sense.

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm
by Tugger
Very sad, as others have shared, my condolences to the families and friends of the crew.

The picture show she was a lovely bird, so many questions as to what happened, what caused this.

DfwRevolution wrote:
Trinity Bay is only about 2-3 meters deep. There's a good chance the CVR and FDR are burried deep in the mud. My condolences to crew.

It will be quite the excavation project. Lots of weirs or one giant one surrounding the impact site. One thing though is that it is likely a fairly compact crash area. Most of the aircraft, all the energy, absorbed by the mud and water.

Again, my heart goes out to those affected.

Tugg

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:03 pm
by iseeyyc
FA9295 wrote:
Vladex wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
Man, it's been a long time since we we've had a commercial, domestic air crash with fatalities, and it's sad we ended that streak today.

Many condolences to the families and friends.


At least its not a passenger flight

True, but there were still people on the plane. 3 (possibly confirmed?) deaths is still 3 too many...

Prayers and thoughts go out to the families of those on board...


Would a flight like this have a loadmaster? Or is the 3rd person likely to have been deadheading?

Re: Giant 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:05 pm
by redcap1962
That`s the last you want to hear after you got a decent shot of that very aircraft :crying: - snapped it during my recent spottertour to MIA:

Image

RIP to the crew and condolences to all families !