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What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:55 pm

It is apparent that they are merely private jets, but why do they have large quad jet wide bodies? I had the opportunity to go super up close to their terminal and saw that they even had baggage handler vehicles and push back vehicles all in the same livery as the jets, so it seems to imply they are more than just private jets used for joy rides by super rich Sands guys. Anyone have an idea?
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:35 pm

Lose enough money in Sands’ casinos on a regular basis and you might get invited to ride in one. The firm has properties in Macau and Singapore as well as the USA and customers from all over the globe.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:39 pm

Recently they rented a 747SP out to Kanye West for a European concert date. Apparently the plane had to match the ego...
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:42 pm

Big money = Big planes .. cost is no object
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:17 pm

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Lose enough money in Sands’ casinos on a regular basis and you might get invited to ride in one. The firm has properties in Macau and Singapore as well as the USA and customers from all over the globe.


I thought they were specifically used for executives that run the Venetian / Palazzo. Interesting.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:24 pm

Sheldon Adelson has a whole air force for high rollers and corporate travel.
Why not have your own ground support..

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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:40 pm

Veigar wrote:
AndyEastMids wrote:
Lose enough money in Sands’ casinos on a regular basis and you might get invited to ride in one. The firm has properties in Macau and Singapore as well as the USA and customers from all over the globe.


I thought they were specifically used for executives that run the Venetian / Palazzo. Interesting.


If you're a big enough "whale" that you're willing to stay at one of their properties and will wire them the money you'll be gambling with, they'll fly you in from anywhere in the world. That's the idea behind these planes.
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:00 pm

I guess the 8's in the serial numbers is for the Chinese who see it as a lucky number?
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:05 pm

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I guess the 8's in the serial numbers is for the Chinese who see it as a lucky number?

Did you mean the registration number instead of the serial number?
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:24 pm

The 767-300ER is pretty much owner dedicated, while the others support the casino ops. Some of these aircraft are base in Macau, and some in Singapore. Generally Part 125 is restricted from holding out for charter, so how Mr. West got access remains confidential.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:52 pm

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The 767-300ER is pretty much owner dedicated, while the others support the casino ops. Some of these aircraft are base in Macau, and some in Singapore. Generally Part 125 is restricted from holding out for charter, so how Mr. West got access remains confidential.



Very interesting. Didn't know that the specific aircraft are reserved for different uses.

What was the L1011 used for? And was the A340 the "replacement" for it.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:01 pm

10+ years ago I had heard the B747SP was equipped with beds, a shower, and most importantly a few gaming tables complete with video-downlinks (presumably to LAS) so people on the ground could monitor the games. They used the plane to bring high-rolling clients (who have spends in the 8-figures) to/from LV Sands properties. I recall there being a lot of secrecy about photos of the inside being released however I did know a well connected someone who did get to see the inside for a tour. The more money you spend or offer to spend, the more perks you get. A guy that spends a few thousand might get comp'd rooms/food but when you're spending hundreds of thousands or millions they'll treat you like royalty. Look up "Las Vegas whales".
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:06 pm

Why are the three quads registered in Bermuda while everything else is registered in the USA?
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:10 pm

My guess would be tax reasons.
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:43 pm

JAGflyer wrote:
10+ years ago I had heard the B747SP was equipped with beds, a shower, and most importantly a few gaming tables complete with video-downlinks (presumably to LAS) so people on the ground could monitor the games. They used the plane to bring high-rolling clients (who have spends in the 8-figures) to/from LV Sands properties. I recall there being a lot of secrecy about photos of the inside being released however I did know a well connected someone who did get to see the inside for a tour. The more money you spend or offer to spend, the more perks you get. A guy that spends a few thousand might get comp'd rooms/food but when you're spending hundreds of thousands or millions they'll treat you like royalty. Look up "Las Vegas whales".



I still don't understand it fully. So if you gamble at the Venetian a lot they will call you for a ride? How do they choose what plane flies? Maybe there's some more information in the actual Venetian/Palazzo about this..
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:40 pm

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I still don't understand it fully. So if you gamble at the Venetian a lot they will call you for a ride? How do they choose what plane flies? Maybe there's some more information in the actual Venetian/Palazzo about this..

You won't find much on the Venetian's web site. The list of "whales" isn't that long and casinos are pretty good at keeping track of players. If you qualify for the ultimate treatment, they'll let you know asap just to make sure a competitor doesn't steal you away. What plane they send is, like airlines, the result of a combination of multiple factors.

If you want to get a casino's attention, start betting $1,000 a hand and play at least an hour. But if you want them to think you're whale material, think $25,000 bare minimum a hand and all-night action.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:51 pm

I seen the 767 in Genoa Italy back in May.
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:11 pm

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The 767-300ER is pretty much owner dedicated, while the others support the casino ops. Some of these aircraft are base in Macau, and some in Singapore. Generally Part 125 is restricted from holding out for charter, so how Mr. West got access remains confidential.


is the basing in Macau and Singapore reflective of the the "whales" spending their time & money mostly the Macau casinos (vs Vegas) or is it also due to the locations of the whales themselves being predominantly Asian?
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:33 pm

Most whales come from Asia nowadays.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:10 am

I’m sure all the big casino owners have a similar set up.
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:14 am

Sheldon likes to use the 340. He once did HNL-TLV. Apparently was longest 340 flight
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:29 am

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Sheldon likes to use the 340. He once did HNL-TLV. Apparently was longest 340 flight


Shorter distance than SIN-EWR which A345’s used to do. Can’t be the longest flight. Still big time long haul.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:34 am

I do business with Venetian Macau. Around 10 or 15 years ago, for sure after 9/11. They flew about 30 of us with about 20 of their staff from Macau to Las Vegas and back on Mr. Adelson's 767 for a few days of meetings and presentations in Las Vegas. None of the Venetian Macau staff with us had ever seen the plane before either and they were just as impressed as we were. The staff emphasized many times that Mr. Adelson was letting us use his personal aircraft which he rarely allowed, and they reminded us many times that he instructed them we were not allowed into his private bedroom or bathroom and it was to be kept locked. I got the impression he was paranoid about people trying to join the mile high club in his bed. But they unlocked the doors for a few minutes so we could see it anyway. Based on how disorganized the operation was I would say they did not usually use the plane for this kind of purpose then. Even though the flight was planned weeks in advance, they only found flight attendants the day before the flight and they did not seem to be familiar with the program. For the return trip to Macau, the night before the flight they said we could not go back because they had not filed a document regarding insurance for the flight and it could not be done on a Sunday. After booking some of the people on every available first class seat on CX back to HKG from SFO they could find, they worked out the issue and the rest of us flew back to Macau with a refueling stop in Anchorage.

Most exciting part..... the pilots were really friendly and open. The cockpit door was open for the whole flight except takeoff and landing and passengers could check out the cockpit as we pleased. I sat in the jump seat in the cockpit for some of the flight, including landing in LAS, takeoff in LAS, and landing and takeoff in ANC. When the pilots were not busy they took time to explain to me a lot of things that they were doing and the functions of the different things in the cockpit and were happy to discuss any aviation topic. I guess most of the flight was boring enough for them to enjoy some conversation.

The plane had a boardroom table in the front with chairs where they had a snacks and drinks out most of the flight, and an area with some sofas, the bedroom in the center with a walkway around the bedroom along one side of the plane to the back of the plane where there were around 10 or 15 rows of business class recliner type seats with maybe 5 or 6 seats in each row, but the seats were all single seats if I remember correctly, there was space on each side of each seat, not a full size aisle but enough space to squeeze in between them by turning sideways. Just one aisle along one side of the plane. My pics are on an old hard drive, so I can't find them at the moment to check the details.

If only every flight was like that...... :) :) :) :)
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:43 am

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I’m sure all the big casino owners have a similar set up.


I'm not so sure. that truly is a massive fleet for a single non-av business to own.
I'd question if any other non-gov, non-airline entity owns 4 widebodies. (and yes, the Saudi Royal family is a govt, as is any other absolute monarchy).
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:48 am

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I do business with Venetian Macau. Around 10 or 15 years ago, for sure after 9/11. They flew about 30 of us with about 20 of their staff from Macau to Las Vegas and back on Mr. Adelson's 767 for a few days of meetings and presentations in Las Vegas. None of the Venetian Macau staff with us had ever seen the plane before either and they were just as impressed as we were. The staff emphasized many times that Mr. Adelson was letting us use his personal aircraft which he rarely allowed, and they reminded us many times that he instructed them we were not allowed into his private bedroom or bathroom and it was to be kept locked. I got the impression he was paranoid about people trying to join the mile high club in his bed. But they unlocked the doors for a few minutes so we could see it anyway. Based on how disorganized the operation was I would say they did not usually use the plane for this kind of purpose then. Even though the flight was planned weeks in advance, they only found flight attendants the day before the flight and they did not seem to be familiar with the program. For the return trip to Macau, the night before the flight they said we could not go back because they had not filed a document regarding insurance for the flight and it could not be done on a Sunday. After booking some of the people on every available first class seat on CX back to HKG from SFO they could find, they worked out the issue and the rest of us flew back to Macau with a refueling stop in Anchorage.

Most exciting part..... the pilots were really friendly and open. The cockpit door was open for the whole flight except takeoff and landing and passengers could check out the cockpit as we pleased. I sat in the jump seat in the cockpit for some of the flight, including landing in LAS, takeoff in LAS, and landing and takeoff in ANC. When the pilots were not busy they took time to explain to me a lot of things that they were doing and the functions of the different things in the cockpit and were happy to discuss any aviation topic. I guess most of the flight was boring enough for them to enjoy some conversation.

The plane had a boardroom table in the front with chairs where they had a snacks and drinks out most of the flight, and an area with some sofas, the bedroom in the center with a walkway around the bedroom along one side of the plane to the back of the plane where there were around 10 or 15 rows of business class recliner type seats with maybe 5 or 6 seats in each row, but the seats were all single seats if I remember correctly, there was space on each side of each seat, not a full size aisle but enough space to squeeze in between them by turning sideways. Just one aisle along one side of the plane. My pics are on an old hard drive, so I can't find them at the moment to check the details.

If only every flight was like that...... :) :) :) :)


Wow! That is awesome! Did you only fly on the 767?
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:27 am

FlyHappy wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
I’m sure all the big casino owners have a similar set up.


I'm not so sure. that truly is a massive fleet for a single non-av business to own.
I'd question if any other non-gov, non-airline entity owns 4 widebodies. (and yes, the Saudi Royal family is a govt, as is any other absolute monarchy).

Similar to the extent they have a fleet of aircraft to cater to their largest customers, yes, but that is indeed where the comparison stops. Sands has a significantly larger fleet than MGM's, Wynn's, or Caesars'. MGM and Wynn have BBJs but I think the largest aircraft in Caesars' fleet is a Gulfstream.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:30 am

Kanye West Chartered to fly to Japan. His regular private jet could make it transporting Kim Kardashian’s fat rear.

In all seriousness Kim K had it all over insta gram
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:37 am

Veigar wrote:
gweilo88 wrote:
I do business with Venetian Macau. Around 10 or 15 years ago, for sure after 9/11. They flew about 30 of us with about 20 of their staff from Macau to Las Vegas and back on Mr. Adelson's 767 for a few days of meetings and presentations in Las Vegas. None of the Venetian Macau staff with us had ever seen the plane before either and they were just as impressed as we were. The staff emphasized many times that Mr. Adelson was letting us use his personal aircraft which he rarely allowed, and they reminded us many times that he instructed them we were not allowed into his private bedroom or bathroom and it was to be kept locked. I got the impression he was paranoid about people trying to join the mile high club in his bed. But they unlocked the doors for a few minutes so we could see it anyway. Based on how disorganized the operation was I would say they did not usually use the plane for this kind of purpose then. Even though the flight was planned weeks in advance, they only found flight attendants the day before the flight and they did not seem to be familiar with the program. For the return trip to Macau, the night before the flight they said we could not go back because they had not filed a document regarding insurance for the flight and it could not be done on a Sunday. After booking some of the people on every available first class seat on CX back to HKG from SFO they could find, they worked out the issue and the rest of us flew back to Macau with a refueling stop in Anchorage.

Most exciting part..... the pilots were really friendly and open. The cockpit door was open for the whole flight except takeoff and landing and passengers could check out the cockpit as we pleased. I sat in the jump seat in the cockpit for some of the flight, including landing in LAS, takeoff in LAS, and landing and takeoff in ANC. When the pilots were not busy they took time to explain to me a lot of things that they were doing and the functions of the different things in the cockpit and were happy to discuss any aviation topic. I guess most of the flight was boring enough for them to enjoy some conversation.

The plane had a boardroom table in the front with chairs where they had a snacks and drinks out most of the flight, and an area with some sofas, the bedroom in the center with a walkway around the bedroom along one side of the plane to the back of the plane where there were around 10 or 15 rows of business class recliner type seats with maybe 5 or 6 seats in each row, but the seats were all single seats if I remember correctly, there was space on each side of each seat, not a full size aisle but enough space to squeeze in between them by turning sideways. Just one aisle along one side of the plane. My pics are on an old hard drive, so I can't find them at the moment to check the details.

If only every flight was like that...... :) :) :) :)


Wow! That is awesome! Did you only fly on the 767?


Yes... same 767 both ways. It has gold furnishings all throughout the plane the crew said it used to belong to the kind of Saudi Arabia before. I don't know if it is true.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 am

Actually it was Prince Alwaleed, reg was HZ-WBT6.
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:37 am

Veigar wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
The 767-300ER is pretty much owner dedicated, while the others support the casino ops. Some of these aircraft are base in Macau, and some in Singapore. Generally Part 125 is restricted from holding out for charter, so how Mr. West got access remains confidential.



Very interesting. Didn't know that the specific aircraft are reserved for different uses.

What was the L1011 used for? And was the A340 the "replacement" for it.

The two L1011 they had were the last two off the production line, ex-Saudi Royal Family fleet. Sad to see one of them (N388LS) went swimming in DMK when Bangkok was flooded few years ago (https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/7249234). The airframe is now residing in a market as upscale restaurant. The other has been lying derelict in RKT, never operated by Las Vegas Sands since they bought it. The A345 and few B737-700BBJ were bought to replace L1011s.

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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:46 am

They also have two 747SP's. Saw one flying a couple of months ago but don't know there current disposition. I believe both are ex TWA/AA aircraft prior to some ME owners.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:23 pm

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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:21 pm

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ORDfan101 wrote:
Sheldon likes to use the 340. He once did HNL-TLV. Apparently was longest 340 flight


Shorter distance than SIN-EWR which A345’s used to do. Can’t be the longest flight. Still big time long haul.


It must have been longest flight from Tel Aviv https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news ... -1.5481481 [threeid][/threeid]
 
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Re: What does Las Vegas Sands use their aircraft for?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:54 pm

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They also have two 747SP's. Saw one flying a couple of months ago but don't know there current disposition. I believe both are ex TWA/AA aircraft prior to some ME owners.


VQ-BMS is an ex Pan Am bird. Then it went to United Airlines very briefly, before going to the middle east as a government airplane. Then it returned to America after LVS bought it in May 2008.


VP-BLK was the ex TWA bird. Seems to have been delivered a year earlier in 2007.

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