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Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:36 pm

Think SEA - LAX / SFO Routes.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:48 pm

Response: why?
Widebodies on shirtish routes is the best way to burn money fast.

And the 787 is not the answer to all questions; especially those not asked.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:51 pm

Huh? They can always order the MAX 10 or more A321's. They could order the rumored A322 or 797. I can't imagine them ordering a long-haul widebody for west coast routes. They'd lose a lot of gate capacity I'd imagine from trying to wedge one of those in at the existing terminals.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:53 pm

I think there is certainly room for the 787 with Alaska Airlines.
I've been thinking this lately, that a 787-8 or -9 with a similar layout to WestJet could be very well served on HNL and East Coast routes.
What?
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:58 pm

aerohottie wrote:
I think there is certainly room for the 787 with Alaska Airlines.
I've been thinking this lately, that a 787-8 or -9 with a similar layout to WestJet could be very well served on HNL and East Coast routes.

And burn money fast with fighting against UA/AA/HA for a relatively small market? It's not like AS has a huge market presence in the East Coast anyway.

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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:58 pm

I agree, why would there be a reason to? Out of SEA, AS codeshares with airlines going to LHR, NRT, HKG, FRA, etc, and out of their other hub airports they'd either have too little demand for additional int'l routes and/or there's too much competition already so they'd get eaten alive. And as for domestic use, AS is already quite 739-heavy, so they could just increase frequency if they need more seats. There's a slight chance that the hypothetical 797 or the MAX 10 could be useful for them, but for now, I think AS is just fine with their largest plane being the 739/A321NEO.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:08 pm

AS has been a 737 airline for a long time after shedding their Mad Dogs, only now in acquiring Virgin they have A320's as well. Like WN fleet simplicity has been good for profitability. No AS routes domestically that need a longer range plane, certainly not one that can fly internationally.

The 797 could be considered, but the 787 is way too big.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:12 pm

Just from a cost perspective, no. It would represent a brand new fleet type that would add expense for things like training, maintenance, ground equipment (commander loaders, which AS doesn't use today) as well as higher labor cost (pilots).

It doesn't make any strategic sense whatsoever.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:31 pm

Too risky and expensive. New fleet type, limited route opportunities, competing against narrow body economics on most routes, etc. Stick with the 737 / 320 families and add another section if they want to carry more traffic on a route. Easier to cut sections that way, too. And gate availability issues at SEA? That's one of the main reasons for PAE service, right, to free up SEA capacity?
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:38 pm

I think the 787 is too much plane for AS at this point. The extra passenger capacity would be nice on a limited number of routes but the capabilities of the Dreamliner far exceed anything AS needs right now. They are still digesting the acquisition of VX, streamlining their ops, and figuring out how to use/what to do with the airbus fleet. They’re also taking delivery of their first Max 9 in June. Adding a plane built for long distance, point to point flying would be a major mistake right now in my opinion.

Now, depending on what the 797 shapes up to be I could see AS wanting that plane in the fleet as soon as they could get it. This bird seems to be the step between the 737 and the 787 that AS (and many other airlines) seems to be clamoring for. The disappointing thing about that is currently it’s a paper plane and probably won’t be available until the mid to late 2020’s.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:39 pm

Too much range, too many seats. Why would they want an aircraft that can fly Australia to London nonstop?
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:41 pm

AS wants no part of the 787 at this point.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:51 pm

There’s a lot they can do with the MAX, think ANC-NRT
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:22 pm

aerohottie wrote:
I think there is certainly room for the 787 with Alaska Airlines.
I've been thinking this lately, that a 787-8 or -9 with a similar layout to WestJet could be very well served on HNL and East Coast routes.


If you're going to compare with Westjet, then suggest the 787s go along with Westjet-like transatlantic (already announced for YYC - London, Paris and Dublin) and transpacific (route permissions applied for Japan and China). I don't see AS heading in that direction and therefore needing a 787 or similar aircraft.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:27 pm

Honestly, starting this thread and the bizarre Alaska Motto thread tells me the OP has too much time on his hands today.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:49 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Honestly, starting this thread and the bizarre Alaska Motto thread tells me the OP has too much time on his hands today.

Probably an over-excited new hire.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:56 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Honestly, starting this thread and the bizarre Alaska Motto thread tells me the OP has too much time on his hands today.

Probably an over-excited new hire.


Actually I think he’s close to retirement age based on previous comments. Certainly not connected to AS from anything I’ve seen.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:57 pm

No
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:57 pm

Everything people are saying now about AS getting 787's is verbatim what people said about WS or DY getting 787's a few years ago. It is absolutely idiotic to rule out anything in this industry, the airline biz is extremely fluid and literally anything can happen. It is super possible that Alaska with its superior domestic feed at SEA decides it wants to strip DL of its title as SEA's Int'l airline and buys some 787's to do just that. SEA has such a high demand for Int'l travel being a huge tech hub that even if AS doesn't have the cash to build up a fleet fresh off the VX acquisition right now, they will have to seriously consider expanding internationally at some point in the future, especially if DL is still around in SEA.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:02 am

sonicruiser wrote:
Everything people are saying now about AS getting 787's is verbatim what people said about WS or DY getting 787's a few years ago. It is absolutely idiotic to rule out anything in this industry, the airline biz is extremely fluid and literally anything can happen.


Yes, except WS got 767’s and dabbled before doing so. EA CO AS said above (and has said before) that they have no intention of getting a 787 (or similar) anytime soon, if ever. In other words, this is just a made up question to a made up need, which is fine, but it has no basis in anything close to reality.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:21 am

Buying a widebody for West Coast routes? lol
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:34 am

airlinepeanuts wrote:
There’s a lot they can do with the MAX, think ANC-NRT


Lose a lot of money. Yep they can do a lot.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:32 am

EvanWSFO wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
There’s a lot they can do with the MAX, think ANC-NRT


Lose a lot of money. Yep they can do a lot.


Not on cargo ;)
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:07 am

AS would have to have routes for a B787 that maximize the airplane's potential To buy and use the airplane down the west coast is not IT!
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:05 am

dc10lover wrote:
Think SEA - LAX / SFO Routes.


In a short answer, No. Never, ever will AS buy 787-8/9 to fly trunk routes domestically. AS would much prefer to operate 3 739’s on a route vs one wide body. AAG is not looking at or considering wide body aircraft at all. There is no desire in the Emerald tower to see Chester’s face on other continents, that’s why they partner with lots of great carriers that cover the world for their customers.

Absolutely everything AS operates or wishes to operate is based upon the most extreme distances in the lower 48, SEA-FLL & SAN-BOS. For the Hawaii routes, nothing they want to fly, would bypass the West Coast. If AS wanted o be cheeky & try Hawaii - LAS/PHX they have the 737-8 Max coming.

AS, like WN likes to run more frequent departures on the right sized aircraft. For example they just added a frequency LAX-DAL, instead of upgauging one of the daily E175’s to an A-320 or 738, they added a fourth E-175. The only route I can honestly see AS ever wanting a wide body for, would be SEA-ANC-SEA & mostly for the cargo capacity. But a used 767 would be far more affordable than a 787-8.

I think the next aircraft AS will seriously look at is the 797. In the mean time the 737 will remain the backbone of their fleet.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:42 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
It is super possible that Alaska decides it wants to strip DL of its title as SEA's Int'l airline and buys some 787's to do just that.


Super possible, YES

Super likely, NO

And like it or not, DL is heavily committed to SEA and continues to invest in growing the network there and to capturing an increasing number of PNW passengers.
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:52 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
AS wants no part of the 787 at this point.


No surprise, AS is well run and will be wise and careful in fleet planning. I can see the A321NEOLR or 737MAX10 and maybe the 797 if it ever happens. It will be interesting to see what their choice(s) end up being fleet-wise, including Boeing vs. Airbus.
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:34 pm

I would be surprised if AS jumped into the wide body game, but who knows. Hasn't historically been their style. They seem very content crossing alliance lines and partnering with numerous foreign flag carriers to act as their feeder with the United States. Has seemed to be working out very well for them
 
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Re: Question" Should Alaska Airlines purchase and use the 787?

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:57 pm

RWA380 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Think SEA - LAX / SFO Routes.


In a short answer, No. Never, ever will AS buy 787-8/9 to fly trunk routes domestically. AS would much prefer to operate 3 739’s on a route vs one wide body.


SEA-SFO/LAX are heavily business routes (and relatively short in length) such that frequency is really important. MAX 10s at peak times with hourly or near-hourly service? Sure. A small fleet of 787s? Heck no.

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