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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:36 am

Yes but only seasonal barely once a week. SEA for example has once daily with both DL & AS to MCO year round, so if SEA can have that service, AC can make YVR-MCO viable daily too. The issue is that there is leakage to SEA from Vancouver because AC doesn't provide the service that DL and AS do from SEA. I'm not asking a secondary US city from YVR, Orlando is a global tourist destination and you got flights even from DXB that are viable so international traffic is up there.

alan3 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This is why I'm confused as to why AC doesn't add a YVR-MCO or YVR-FLL flight, you don't have asia pax but australia/new zealand pax too that can easily connect. YVR has secondary asian cities that SFO or LAX doesn't have and it would be nice to have a MCO option out of YVR too. I get those living in Vancouver can drive down to SEA to catch a direct MCO or FLL flight but YVR has so much potential for connections pax and AC doesn't use the airport to the fullest. Heck even YYC has direct flights to MCO thanks to WS, it's just sad that it's so difficult to get to MCO or Florida out of YVR.

alan3 wrote:
Wow, they flew SYD alone for so many years and now BNE, MEL and AKL all added in the last 3 years.

A lot will be connecting passengers. I've read a number of articles and trip reviews recently about Australia/New Zealand pax who now prefer to connect to East Coast USA through YVR instead of LAX, due to a nicer airport, good connections and a better overall experience (and that's despite having to get a Canadian ETA visa and clear Canadian customs on the return leg). Such as this one https://www.ausbt.com.au/your-guide-to- ... air-canada.


WS does fly from YVR-MCO now. But the market isn't huge. The leisure market from YVR is far more geared towards California, Las Vegas, Mexico and Hawaii, while Florida is more popular with Easterners. The connection traffic YVR can provide that is drawing passengers away from LAX and SFO is more geared towards places like JFK, EWR and ORD. And that's where they can pull business class connecting pax.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:40 am

MAH4546 wrote:
alan3 wrote:
WS does fly from YVR-MCO now. But the market isn't huge. The leisure market from YVR is far more geared towards California, Las Vegas, Mexico and Hawaii, while Florida is more popular with Easterners. The connection traffic YVR can provide that is drawing passengers away from LAX and SFO is more geared towards places like JFK, EWR and ORD. And that's where they can pull business class connecting pax.


The single largest U.S.-Canada transborder market without a nonstop is Miami-Vancouver (and keep in mind the second and third largest transborder markets after Toronto-New York are Miami-Toronto and Miami-Montreal). It's pretty big. But yeah, it's just vacation traffic.


Really? Are you including PBI & FLL as part of “Miami”? If not, then yeah it makes sense that YVR is #3 as most traffic to a place like YOW is out of FLL.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:04 am

YYZORD wrote:
Yes but only seasonal barely once a week. SEA for example has once daily with both DL & AS to MCO year round, so if SEA can have that service, AC can make YVR-MCO viable daily too. The issue is that there is leakage to SEA from Vancouver because AC doesn't provide the service that DL and AS do from SEA. I'm not asking a secondary US city from YVR, Orlando is a global tourist destination and you got flights even from DXB that are viable so international traffic is up there.

alan3 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This is why I'm confused as to why AC doesn't add a YVR-MCO or YVR-FLL flight, you don't have asia pax but australia/new zealand pax too that can easily connect. YVR has secondary asian cities that SFO or LAX doesn't have and it would be nice to have a MCO option out of YVR too. I get those living in Vancouver can drive down to SEA to catch a direct MCO or FLL flight but YVR has so much potential for connections pax and AC doesn't use the airport to the fullest. Heck even YYC has direct flights to MCO thanks to WS, it's just sad that it's so difficult to get to MCO or Florida out of YVR.



WS does fly from YVR-MCO now. But the market isn't huge. The leisure market from YVR is far more geared towards California, Las Vegas, Mexico and Hawaii, while Florida is more popular with Easterners. The connection traffic YVR can provide that is drawing passengers away from LAX and SFO is more geared towards places like JFK, EWR and ORD. And that's where they can pull business class connecting pax.


I believe it's year-round once weekly according to the WS website. Which fits with 7 day holiday packages.

If there was a market, I'm sure it would be served already. But MCO is a lower yield AC Rouge destination and AC has almost completely removed Rouge services from YVR. Even Sunwing and Air Transat don't fly to Florida from Vancouver. And Florida isn't needed for Latin American connections either, YVR uses LAX or MEX instead.

Yes, Orlando is a big holiday destination for Americans and Europeans but I am not fully convinced it's a major leisure destination for people from Vancouver. And I'm not convinced there is enough Asian or Australian travellers going to MCO via YVR that would merit AC adding this service. But maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there are stats for how many YVR-MCO connections are searched for.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:40 am

AC rouge tried YVR-MCO 2 weekly I believe on the 763 and it lasted a whole season.
Same for YYZ-GIG, service was cancelled right after the olympics.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:11 am

nascarnut wrote:
Ref AC/NZ AKL-YVR, imagine NZ will do daily seasonal as they do today but will not increase to 9 per week as previously done. They did similar with SFO. Before UA started SFO would increase to 10 per week but was stopped when UA came in. This freed up aircraft to operate other seasonal increases. May see EZE or TPE go daily this Christmas


Give the size of the foot hold of any potential QF /AA JV, and the inclusion of New Zealand as a region into this. Is there benifit of NZ/UA/AC having an Atlantic style JV covering NZ/AU/US/CA as a Pacific JV?
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:29 am

gpasternak wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
simpv wrote:

Is AC part of the UA/NZ agreement?


Aside from being in * Alliance I don't know how close the two are, thus my question. I am aware being in an alliance doesn't necessarily mean all carriers cooperate with each other.


I am curious of the same thing. NZ 23/24 I think is daily year round. I did a few dummy bookings on both AC and NZ. AC did not offer any direct flights from AKL to YVR, instead they use QF or NZ for trans tasman flights and transfer you onwards from BNE/SYD/MEL. When I tried similar bookings with NZ aside from the direct flight it was a mixture of UA/NZ via SFO or AC via HNL.



They will co operate, NZ/AC codeshare a lot including on NZ’s YVR service, I’ve been expecting something like this for a while, I’d imagine this will be at the expense of NZ increasing YVR in NW which didn’t happen this year due to 789 issues anyway.

NZ only run daily currently DEC-FEB and it still drops as low as 3 weekly in April, May. I do wonder if NZ will go 789 to YVR allowing an increase in NS, 789 was meant to happen in 2018/19 NW
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:25 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
alan3 wrote:
WS does fly from YVR-MCO now. But the market isn't huge. The leisure market from YVR is far more geared towards California, Las Vegas, Mexico and Hawaii, while Florida is more popular with Easterners. The connection traffic YVR can provide that is drawing passengers away from LAX and SFO is more geared towards places like JFK, EWR and ORD. And that's where they can pull business class connecting pax.


The single largest U.S.-Canada transborder market without a nonstop is Miami-Vancouver (and keep in mind the second and third largest transborder markets after Toronto-New York are Miami-Toronto and Miami-Montreal). It's pretty big. But yeah, it's just vacation traffic.


I believe AA has done YVR-MIA in the past. Has AC ever flown it?


Yes, AC flew it with A319s and 763s in the early 2000s. I’ve heard AC will resume it with the 737 Max.
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YYZORD
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:40 am

AC will resume MIA or FLL? Either is good for connections to Asia and Australia through YVR.

MAH4546 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

The single largest U.S.-Canada transborder market without a nonstop is Miami-Vancouver (and keep in mind the second and third largest transborder markets after Toronto-New York are Miami-Toronto and Miami-Montreal). It's pretty big. But yeah, it's just vacation traffic.


I believe AA has done YVR-MIA in the past. Has AC ever flown it?


Yes, AC flew it with A319s and 763s in the early 2000s. I’ve heard AC will resume it with the 737 Max.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:06 pm

BWA900 wrote:
EcuaCan wrote:
This is exciting because it'll be the first direct flight between Canada and Ecuador. Air Canada has South America really well covered now, just missing GIG. Maybe if / when Venezuela recovers, they'll add CCS one day, but I can't see much else (though I would love to see GYE).


Maybe GEO as there is a large Guyanese population in Canada.


True, I could see GEO getting Rouge service.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:24 pm

YYZORD wrote:
AC will resume MIA or FLL? Either is good for connections to Asia and Australia through YVR.

MAH4546 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

I believe AA has done YVR-MIA in the past. Has AC ever flown it?


Yes, AC flew it with A319s and 763s in the early 2000s. I’ve heard AC will resume it with the 737 Max.


Could we please get back on track with the discussion. If you want to talk about YVR-MIA/FLL then create your own thread.

Also announced today - Toronto-Honolulu with the 787!
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:04 pm

Now official.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... il-Flights

São Paulo is the 12th new international destination added by Air Canada from Montreal-Trudeau Airport since 2017, reinforcing further the commitment we have to develop Montreal as a strategic hub


AC is clearly counting on O&D and Canada connections to make this flight work. Unfortunately the arrival time back in YUL is too late to connect with the Asian departures, including NRT. But as I said, better this than to leave a plane sitting in GRU for 10+hours.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... -Vancouver

AC/NZ want to establish a joint venture. Considering they will be the only 2 carriers operating between Canada and NZ (and will therefore have a monopoly), I wonder if it will get approved.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... om-Toronto

Also, AC converting YYZ-HNL to mainline, 3x weekly.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... d-Honolulu
Last edited by Thenoflyzone on Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:27 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:18 pm

EcuaCan wrote:
BWA900 wrote:
EcuaCan wrote:
This is exciting because it'll be the first direct flight between Canada and Ecuador. Air Canada has South America really well covered now, just missing GIG. Maybe if / when Venezuela recovers, they'll add CCS one day, but I can't see much else (though I would love to see GYE).


Maybe GEO as there is a large Guyanese population in Canada.


True, I could see GEO getting Rouge service.
As the Guyanese economy might see some improvement due to off-shore oil and the current VFR demand, the idea of AC YYZ-GEO isn't that far fetched.
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:38 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Now official.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... il-Flights

São Paulo is the 12th new international destination added by Air Canada from Montreal-Trudeau Airport since 2017, reinforcing further the commitment we have to develop Montreal as a strategic hub


AC is clearly counting on O&D and Canada connections to make this flight work. Unfortunately the arrival time back in YUL is too late to connect with the Asian departures, including NRT. But as I said, better this than to leave a plane sitting in GRU for 10+hours.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... -Vancouver

AC/NZ want to establish a joint venture. Considering they will be the only 2 carriers operating between Canada and NZ (and will therefore have a monopoly), I wonder if it will get approved.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... om-Toronto

Also, AC converting YYZ-HNL to mainline, 3x weekly.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... d-Honolulu


A JV might get approved on the basis of there being some non-NZ connecting options via US hubs for Canadians.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:16 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Now official.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... il-Flights

São Paulo is the 12th new international destination added by Air Canada from Montreal-Trudeau Airport since 2017, reinforcing further the commitment we have to develop Montreal as a strategic hub


AC is clearly counting on O&D and Canada connections to make this flight work. Unfortunately the arrival time back in YUL is too late to connect with the Asian departures, including NRT. But as I said, better this than to leave a plane sitting in GRU for 10+hours.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... -Vancouver

AC/NZ want to establish a joint venture. Considering they will be the only 2 carriers operating between Canada and NZ (and will therefore have a monopoly), I wonder if it will get approved.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... om-Toronto

Also, AC converting YYZ-HNL to mainline, 3x weekly.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... d-Honolulu


A JV might get approved on the basis of there being some non-NZ connecting options via US hubs for Canadians.



A JV on an 11 weekly common service? This seems marginal. Wonder what UA would say given their relationship with NZ.

Also HNL is not specified as a 788 or 789, probably taking the flexibility to switch as needed given demand.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:02 pm

ac33e wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Now official.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... il-Flights



AC is clearly counting on O&D and Canada connections to make this flight work. Unfortunately the arrival time back in YUL is too late to connect with the Asian departures, including NRT. But as I said, better this than to leave a plane sitting in GRU for 10+hours.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... -Vancouver

AC/NZ want to establish a joint venture. Considering they will be the only 2 carriers operating between Canada and NZ (and will therefore have a monopoly), I wonder if it will get approved.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... om-Toronto

Also, AC converting YYZ-HNL to mainline, 3x weekly.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... d-Honolulu


A JV might get approved on the basis of there being some non-NZ connecting options via US hubs for Canadians.



A JV on an 11 weekly common service? This seems marginal. Wonder what UA would say given their relationship with NZ.

Also HNL is not specified as a 788 or 789, probably taking the flexibility to switch as needed given demand.


YYZ-HNL shows a -9 on Sat & Sun and a -8 on Tues...
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:30 pm

ac33e wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Now official.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... il-Flights



AC is clearly counting on O&D and Canada connections to make this flight work. Unfortunately the arrival time back in YUL is too late to connect with the Asian departures, including NRT. But as I said, better this than to leave a plane sitting in GRU for 10+hours.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... -Vancouver

AC/NZ want to establish a joint venture. Considering they will be the only 2 carriers operating between Canada and NZ (and will therefore have a monopoly), I wonder if it will get approved.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... om-Toronto

Also, AC converting YYZ-HNL to mainline, 3x weekly.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-02 ... d-Honolulu


A JV might get approved on the basis of there being some non-NZ connecting options via US hubs for Canadians.



A JV on an 11 weekly common service? This seems marginal. Wonder what UA would say given their relationship with NZ.

Also HNL is not specified as a 788 or 789, probably taking the flexibility to switch as needed given demand.


JV won’t be a problem in NZ - NZ already have one with cX and SQ so not much competition there now either....
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:45 pm

alexdelzotto1 wrote:
Same for YYZ-GIG, service was cancelled right after the olympics.


Yes, because AC launched the flight exactly when the Brazilian recession started.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:20 pm

C010T3 wrote:
alexdelzotto1 wrote:
Same for YYZ-GIG, service was cancelled right after the olympics.


Yes, because AC launched the flight exactly when the Brazilian recession started.


I'm sure it'll be back someday.

Question: does the A333 have the legs to do YYZ-GIG?
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:42 pm

Other than AKL, what can AC add from YVR other than domestic and transborder? Could South America destinations be a possibility cause they got Asia and Oceania pretty much covered.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:03 pm

smi0006 wrote:
JV won’t be a problem in NZ - NZ already have one with cX and SQ so not much competition there now either....
ThT

The New Zealand Government - seems to have no problem approving any joint venture / deep code share agreement that NZ wants. Probably helps that NZ is around 50% government owned, so the government has a conflict of interesting in them being profitable (they much a reasonable amount per year from there shares in NZ).
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:41 pm

YYZORD wrote:
Other than AKL, what can AC add from YVR other than domestic and transborder? Could South America destinations be a possibility cause they got Asia and Oceania pretty much covered.


Maybe a seasonal flight to JNU once the A220 is on property?

YHZ is likely too in summer with the A220.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:56 pm

Noise wrote:
C010T3 wrote:
alexdelzotto1 wrote:
Same for YYZ-GIG, service was cancelled right after the olympics.


Yes, because AC launched the flight exactly when the Brazilian recession started.


I'm sure it'll be back someday.

Question: does the A333 have the legs to do YYZ-GIG?


It's 5,124nm, which should be doable without any restrictions in most normal conditions for the 333 albeit I don't believe it's time to add more capacity anytime soon on Brazil for AC. It will be interesting to see if the keep the 777HD on YYZ-GRU next winter given the considerable seat increase for Canada-Brazil.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:33 am

ac33e wrote:
Noise wrote:

Question: does the A333 have the legs to do YYZ-GIG?


It's 5,124nm, which should be doable without any restrictions in most normal conditions for the 333 albeit I don't believe it's time to add more capacity anytime soon on Brazil for AC. It will be interesting to see if the keep the 777HD on YYZ-GRU next winter given the considerable seat increase for Canada-Brazil.


5,124 miles, not nautical miles. YYZ-GIG is 4,453 nmi. Doable in an A333.

AC's 230t A333s have roughly a 5,000 nmi still air range with a full payload of passengers and bags (~70,000 lbs)
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:21 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
I live in New Hampshire near Boston, and on European trips, I have flown BOS-YYZ and connected to a 77W to London. Now I am planning a business trip to Shanghai and I can choose a 77W via YYZ with a return using a 788 through YUL. I've been on a AC 788 before, LHR-YYZ soon after the plane was entered into the fleet. The 77W flights were nice, too. But I hear that AC has made their 77Ws less comfortable by squeezing more rows & seats. Should I be staying away from the 77W? I won't be flying first class, but I might be in premium economy. I think my company allows that.


IIRC the 77W seat and pitch is the same as the 787. Now I don't think I have been on the high density 77W (I think that just has less business class) but regardless I am just over 6 feet tall and definitely not skinny and found the seat on the 77W and the 789 just fine for a flight to Europe.
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:37 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
alan3 wrote:
WS does fly from YVR-MCO now. But the market isn't huge. The leisure market from YVR is far more geared towards California, Las Vegas, Mexico and Hawaii, while Florida is more popular with Easterners. The connection traffic YVR can provide that is drawing passengers away from LAX and SFO is more geared towards places like JFK, EWR and ORD. And that's where they can pull business class connecting pax.


The single largest U.S.-Canada transborder market without a nonstop is Miami-Vancouver (and keep in mind the second and third largest transborder markets after Toronto-New York are Miami-Toronto and Miami-Montreal). It's pretty big. But yeah, it's just vacation traffic.


I believe AA has done YVR-MIA in the past. Has AC ever flown it?


I think AC has operated this seasonally using a 763 in the past and it probably could be a Rouge route again at some point, because as said it is all VFR traffic.
I would think this would be on AC's radar but I don't know think the A319 has the legs and a 763 is probably too big to operate it. Perhaps if Rouge got the 7M8 in its fleet then this would work.

In recent years I think a lot of the YYZ, YUL - South Florida traffic is actually FLL bound. There are flights to MIA but it is usually flown by AA with multiple flights from both YYZ and YUL (MIA being an AA hub). WS and AC rouge only fly this once daily and a lot of the cruise traffic goes to FLL now IIRC. If you are connecting to Latin America with AA out of YVR they would just simply route you through DFW which AA does operate. Furthermore any of the destinations that AA would serve out of MIA that they don't already serve out of DFW someone from Vancouver could likely connect on with AC or WS via YYZ.
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:42 pm

YYZORD wrote:
Other than AKL, what can AC add from YVR other than domestic and transborder? Could South America destinations be a possibility cause they got Asia and Oceania pretty much covered.


Indeed, the only major void for AC Transpacific is Southeast Asia (BKK/KUL/SIN/SGN). Also, Fiji was directly connected to YVR for many decades (with a stop in HNL) but hasn't been for at least 15 years. Southern Europe (Italy/Spain/Portugal/Greece) has no direct flights from YVR, but may be too low yield for AC mainline and not enough demand. So that leaves South America, possibly, which could capture some Asia to South America connections.
 
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:19 pm

StarAC17 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

The single largest U.S.-Canada transborder market without a nonstop is Miami-Vancouver (and keep in mind the second and third largest transborder markets after Toronto-New York are Miami-Toronto and Miami-Montreal). It's pretty big. But yeah, it's just vacation traffic.


I believe AA has done YVR-MIA in the past. Has AC ever flown it?


I think AC has operated this seasonally using a 763 in the past and it probably could be a Rouge route again at some point, because as said it is all VFR traffic.
I would think this would be on AC's radar but I don't know think the A319 has the legs and a 763 is probably too big to operate it. Perhaps if Rouge got the 7M8 in its fleet then this would work.

In recent years I think a lot of the YYZ, YUL - South Florida traffic is actually FLL bound. There are flights to MIA but it is usually flown by AA with multiple flights from both YYZ and YUL (MIA being an AA hub). WS and AC rouge only fly this once daily and a lot of the cruise traffic goes to FLL now IIRC. If you are connecting to Latin America with AA out of YVR they would just simply route you through DFW which AA does operate. Furthermore any of the destinations that AA would serve out of MIA that they don't already serve out of DFW someone from Vancouver could likely connect on with AC or WS via YYZ.


Rouge flew 4 YYZ-MIA flights today 1 767 and 3 A321s.
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Re: AC to start YUL-GRU, YVR-AKL and YYZ-UIO

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:28 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
A JV might get approved on the basis of there being some non-NZ connecting options via US hubs for Canadians.

Outside of NZ JVs, the only options are QF through SYD or AA through LAX, both of which are only seasonal.

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