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Airbus/Layer new seat design.

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:19 pm

Airbus and seat maker Layer, teamed up, and created this seat design for the future, it took them roughly 18 months to come up with this prototype. I don't seem this product hitting any airplanes soon, though let see.

https://www.businessinsider.com/airbus- ... ter-2019-2

Seems like as the years go economy class will become uncomfortable to travel in. Airlines are cutting left and right, and offering basic economy for the price, of what regular economy use to be etc. Premium classes are still enjoying the comfort. Any thoughts?

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Re: Airbus/Layer new seat design.

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:41 pm

My first reaction is BEACH CHAIRS.
 
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Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:01 pm

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Highlights from the article: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/airbus-new-economy-seat-prototype/index.html

- Designed by LAYER, the "Move" seat is designed with smart sensor fibers that allows the passengers to manually control seat temperature, tension, pressure, and movement, all from their smartphone.

- The seats do not recline, but the smart seat offers different seat modes, such as a massage setting.

- Seats are designed with 38" of legroom, and include foot rest and adjustable headrest.

**I didn't see a previous post about this, but if there is, please delete**
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:20 pm

It is pretty, but looks terribly uncomfortable!
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:20 pm

Is it cheap to use? Can an A320 have 180 of these seats?
Is it possible to get 38" legroom on a LCC with these seats?
Do they have any cushion at all?
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:22 pm

I hope that it isn't a revamp of those horrible shell seats that did not recline....
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:31 pm

So these are going to be fixed at 18" and only made available for Airbus products?
Since the A32XX is wider than the 737-XX do we assume they have been designed to never fit 6 across in a 737?
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:33 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
- Seats are designed with 38" of legroom, and include foot rest and adjustable headrest.


- Seats are designed so we can decrease pitch while keeping legroom constant.



Spotted a wee typo there.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:53 pm

Antarius wrote:
It is pretty, but looks terribly uncomfortable!


looks can be deceiving :)
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:57 pm

38" on the sides not the middle I presume.
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:59 pm

Aesma wrote:
38" on the sides not the middle I presume.

Uh? The 3 seats are lined up and back of the seats appear identical; if the sides have 38" of legroom, how can the middle seat have less???
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:02 pm

I think about 95% of concepts actually make it into something...
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:08 pm

I think I already have these seats as lawn furniture,
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:09 pm

Reminds me of an Aeron chair. Something like that would be better than the current shells they use for short hops (<6 hours). I am not sure about sitting in Aeron for more than that.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:21 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Reminds me of an Aeron chair. Something like that would be better than the current shells they use for short hops (<6 hours). I am not sure about sitting in Aeron for more than that.


I'm sitting in an Aeron chair as I write this and the bottom pan is 21" wide. This concept seems little better to me than a vertical hammock. On less than 1 hr Hawaii inter-island flights it would be fine. On scheduled 6:48 JFK-LAX - oh, heck no. The balance between seat weight and passenger comfort seems to have been utterly lost in new coach seat concepts. (The other thread about CozySuites? Just an insufferably bad idea.)
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:39 pm

These seats remind me how much I miss the old UA econ seats, those thick gray padded mothers. They were the only thing I ever loved about United. The seats here I question the durability with 300 pounders grabbing at the backs going in and out of the rear row and what they'd feel like with a 7 year old practicing Muay Thai on your kidneys. But I guess if Air Asia is automatically locked out we don't need to worry about the Muay Thai.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:27 pm

Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:40 pm

Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:41 pm

I should start a company that sells memory foam travel seat cushions
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:43 pm

I will have to say,
I like the concept.

Seats:
For commuting, these would be ideal. I have an aero chair at work, and I prefer it over my padded executive chair at home. For long haul, I do worry about the ability to get the proper warmth for sleep, but maybe have to layer up on the trip

Media.
I like the TV and tray Idea and USB ports. Maybe instead of a TV they just put a fold out device holder.

Worries:

Crash effectiveness/ Sturdiness. Is there enough to hold the seat in place and cushion passengers during an emergency landing/crash?
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:54 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).


Uh...yeah. That was my point. Use this product to develop such basic cabins.

casinterest wrote:
For long haul, I do worry about the ability to get the proper warmth for sleep, but maybe have to layer up on the trip


It is a 'smart seat'. From the OP's article:

- The seats are made from lightweight polyester wood smart textile wrapped around an aluminum frame.
- Electrical currents running through the smart textile allow passengers to control the firmness and the temperature of the seat.
- Move seats can be adjusted using an app.
- According to Layer, the seats are meant to help create an innovative passenger experience for economy class travelers.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:56 pm

A lot of people are criticizing a concept just based on looks. Until you sit down on it or until a lot of people have tried it don't rush to pump out theories about it
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:08 pm

Doesn't look a million miles from the new seats Jet2 have.

Have to say, I like the rotating table and screen - definitely nice. I wonder how durable the jointing would be though
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:15 pm

Looks like a lawn chair
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:19 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
- Seats are designed so we can decrease pitch while keeping legroom constant.



Spotted a wee typo there.


Incorrect, as far as I've found from the article I posted.

These premium economy seats include 38 inches of legroom, foot rests and adjustable headrests.


Copy and pasted directly from the article.
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:32 pm

Somewhere between Phoenix and Dallas, a certain CEO is uncontrollably salivating right now (and not just because he’s intoxicated)...
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:35 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Doesn't look a million miles from the new seats Jet2 have.

Have to say, I like the rotating table and screen - definitely nice. I wonder how durable the jointing would be though


Do you have any photos of the new Jet2 seats?
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:36 pm

Erebus wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).


Uh...yeah. That was my point. Use this product to develop such basic cabins.

Why do that? It's the beauty of Basic Economy as it is: sell as much or as little of those tickets depending on demand/offer and pack the pax in the same cabin.

When you have dedicated cabins (such as First Class, Business Class, Premium Economy/Economy Comfort), you have a finite number of seats available. If you could have sold more you're losing on revenue; if you could have sold sell, well... you're losing on revenue or have to upgrade lower fare tickets.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:36 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Doesn't look a million miles from the new seats Jet2 have.

Have to say, I like the rotating table and screen - definitely nice. I wonder how durable the jointing would be though


Do you have any photos of the new Jet2 seats?
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:41 pm

So what is the economic point of the seat? More rows because thinner material? Lighter?
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:45 pm

Sooo... Where do the sick bags go? And where do I put my trash for other passengers to find three flights later?
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:45 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Reminds me of an Aeron chair. Something like that would be better than the current shells they use for short hops (<6 hours). I am not sure about sitting in Aeron for more than that.


I'm sitting in an Aeron chair as I write this and the bottom pan is 21" wide. This concept seems little better to me than a vertical hammock. On less than 1 hr Hawaii inter-island flights it would be fine. On scheduled 6:48 JFK-LAX - oh, heck no. The balance between seat weight and passenger comfort seems to have been utterly lost in new coach seat concepts. (The other thread about CozySuites? Just an insufferably bad idea.)


Yup, hammock is the first thing that popped into my mind too. And are those supposed to be armrests in between?
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:49 pm

Looks like they would save quite a bit of weight.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:03 pm

Don't knock it until you have tried it. I have a fishing chair in a mesh type material and because it's got a headrest and fits the contours of my body snugly, it's a divine place to sit for hours.

Many supercars today don't even have seats. Just Alcantara pads affixed to the tub.

These things can be incredibly comfortable if they just have enough pliability to support the pressure points. Intelligent materials are the enabling technologies.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:11 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
Do you have any photos of the new Jet2 seats?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenbrandist/14781374831

I think these are the ones that are being referred to.
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 pm

Another thing is that with wide open sides, and no dividers, you are going to have a lot more physical contact with your neighbour, and there will be a lot more rubbish and personal items falling onto the floor inc aisle.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:11 pm

Looks awful. Looks like a public bus. But 38" pitch?? Hell, I'll take 38" of legroom with no recline over 29-31" with full recline any day! I've had it up to here with the claustrophobia of a reclined 30" seat in front of me and someone's head in my lap.

With airlines falling over themselves to get people to pay for improved Y+ and J product, you have to wonder how and when Y class will hit the absolute bottom of the barrel.
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 pm

Erebus wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).


Uh...yeah. That was my point. Use this product to develop such basic cabins.

casinterest wrote:
For long haul, I do worry about the ability to get the proper warmth for sleep, but maybe have to layer up on the trip


It is a 'smart seat'. From the OP's article:

- The seats are made from lightweight polyester wood smart textile wrapped around an aluminum frame.
- Electrical currents running through the smart textile allow passengers to control the firmness and the temperature of the seat.
- Move seats can be adjusted using an app.
- According to Layer, the seats are meant to help create an innovative passenger experience for economy class travelers.


I doubt airlines are going to want to put all these features into a basic economy cabin, if they even wanted to create a separate basic economy cabin in the first place (which they don’t). How often will those features break, anyway?
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
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Wireless charging please, imbedded in the table. It's time to let go of the old USB sockets. On an airplane they get fairly quickly damaged anyway.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:26 pm

Where are pockets to store things?
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:30 pm

OB1504 wrote:

I doubt airlines are going to want to put all these features into a basic economy cabin, if they even wanted to create a separate basic economy cabin in the first place (which they don’t). How often will those features break, anyway?


Curious what the target market for these seats is. What do you think? LCCs with a little more premium feel, given the features and the leg room offered? Just speculation on my part.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:48 pm

This is Layer!

http://layerdesign.com/work/#product

They are just a pipe dream design "firm" who seem to do fancy redesign work and haven't actually made a brand new item or concept.

This seat is all kinds of wrong for a plane and it would take a beating in a living room. Not to mention all those features they list would have to be an MEL item or MEL the whole row of seats when sensors die.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:55 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).


That would defeat the purpose of economy basic which is to fill otherwise unfilled seats. Economy basic tickets do not allow preselection of seats nor do they allow the use of the overhead bins (at least on UA). My guess is that for the most part basic economy passengers will be assigned to middle seats even when groups get tickets on the same purchase.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:35 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Maybe they could be used for Economy Basic cabins.

There are no economy basic cabins (yet).


That would defeat the purpose of economy basic which is to fill otherwise unfilled seats. Economy basic tickets do not allow preselection of seats nor do they allow the use of the overhead bins (at least on UA). My guess is that for the most part basic economy passengers will be assigned to middle seats even when groups get tickets on the same purchase.

On DL, Basic Economy is exactly like "regular" economy once you've past the boarding door: same seat, same use of overhead bin, same beverage/snack service. The difference is only in pricing and less flexibility.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:52 am

That's terrible.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:56 am

These headrests look straight out of the TGV (and other SNCF trains).
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:24 am

It looks terrible but material science and improvement on ergonomic have come a long way since the 1990's.

As much as people on A.net love to glorify the good old days of aviation, I would take the new slimline seats over anytime those bulky economy seats back in the day. The looked comfy but they are not, the foam deteriorate and deform after a few years of use, it doesn't fit the body nor provide much support to your hips and your back, and the take up a lot of space.

Remember, "Pitch is the distance between a row of seats – the measurement from the same position on two seats, one behind the other – it is not the legroom area."
New slimline seats with 31" pitch will likely provide you more legroom than 32-33" pitch on a bulky economy seat from the 1990's.

Comparison:
This is what the infamous 30" pitch on the AC 787 looks like
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This is the "generous" 32-33" pitch on the A330 before they were retrofitted with PEY
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whilst the new seats lost 2" of pitch, they are equally cramped (although the extra width A330 provide a little extra comfort).
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:33 am

Erebus wrote:
It is a 'smart seat'. From the OP's article:

- The seats are made from lightweight polyester wood smart textile wrapped around an aluminum frame.
- Electrical currents running through the smart textile allow passengers to control the firmness and the temperature of the seat.
- Move seats can be adjusted using an app.
- According to Layer, the seats are meant to help create an innovative passenger experience for economy class travelers.


Thank you Erebus!

Hello people, read the article before you make baseless commentary!

This tech sounds potentially incredible and ground breaking especially when it comes to that constant uncomfortable shifting on flights. Cooling and warmth adjustment, not to mention breathability.Just wow! Could be a comfort gamechanger that might give Airbus a unique advantage.
 
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:52 am

The tray table is very clever, I like how you can adjust its height and it folds vertically.
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Re: Airbus New Economy Seat Prototype

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:06 am

WayexTDI wrote:
Aesma wrote:
38" on the sides not the middle I presume.

Uh? The 3 seats are lined up and back of the seats appear identical; if the sides have 38" of legroom, how can the middle seat have less???


I mean the sides of each seat. 38" for the knees if you keep your legs apart.
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