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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:47 pm

ITSTours wrote:
Press release from JAL. ZIPAIR confirmed.
http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/201903/005096.html

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That font, that teal. The 90s are back!
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:49 pm

downdata wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
Press release from JAL. ZIPAIR confirmed.
http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/201903/005096.html

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Ok. Dat logo though. Are they really serious with their efforts? This is legitimately a 5 mins mspaint job and that's being generous.

For starters, they shouldnt be using a free preset font... https://befonts.com/cradley.html


What if the logo is just a placeholder or just their text branding? Like an actual visual logo could emerge after all and the one that's shown here could simply be the lettering that will be put on the plane. If this however is the actual logo branding they plan to use, then it's pretty lame.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:50 pm

Is it a joke? This is so ridiculous.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:07 pm

The English version for those that can't read Japanese:
http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201903/005097.html

NRT-BKK is expected (It's a huge market both direction). I'm surprised that they'll use the 788 on NRT-ICN, though, instead of 2-3x A320s on JJP. On a side note, they'll just be the 2nd Japanese carrier going back into ICN (MM being the sole Japanese carrier flying to ICN right now, JL/NH fly to GMP instead). Also surprised that they didn't at least operate a few weekly NRT-HNL flights (before going daily).
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:29 pm

ジップエア/東京

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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:34 pm

ITSTours wrote:
Press release from JAL. ZIPAIR confirmed.
http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/201903/005096.html

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Lord, I really hope that their livery will be a lot more inspiring than this
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 pm

Their corporate color reminds me of this:
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:49 pm

ITSTours wrote:
Press release from JAL. ZIPAIR confirmed.
http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/201903/005096.html

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Well, this certainly doesn't spark joy.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:43 pm

Anyone know if these will be flown by JAL mainline or expat contract pilots
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:11 pm

UPlog wrote:
Airlines are trying too hard to be cute with their naming.


To be fair, Japan always did this sort of thing.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:13 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
On a side note, they'll just be the 2nd Japanese carrier going back into ICN (MM being the sole Japanese carrier flying to ICN right now, JL/NH fly to GMP instead).


When did JL drop NRT-ICN service? They had at least a few flights as late as January 2017.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:31 pm

dtremit wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
On a side note, they'll just be the 2nd Japanese carrier going back into ICN (MM being the sole Japanese carrier flying to ICN right now, JL/NH fly to GMP instead).


When did JL drop NRT-ICN service? They had at least a few flights as late as January 2017.


March 2018. So not too long ago.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... %20incheon

JL right now simply hand any connection pax on that route to KE.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:05 pm

Both JL and NH dropped NRT-ICN in favor of HND-GMP/ICN instead.
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:16 am

Where will their 788s (other than the initial 2) come from? I mean, 788’s orders are nearly exhausted, and using Zipair, Boeing can maintain some 788 production as well, unless they want 788 to fade in favor of NMA,
And also, will they inherit the “dental chair”+9-abreast economy regional configuration from JL, or will they scramble in seats like JQ?
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:05 pm

c933103 wrote:
FCAA321 wrote:
OA940 wrote:

Yes. Scoot, Jetstar, Air Transat, Air Canada Rouge, TUI, Thomas Cook, Air Asia X all seem to be doing very bad.


I think you’ll find that TUI and Thomas Cook in the UK are not low cost carriers.

There seems to be a big lapse of people’s knowledge between the three different types. Scheduled, Low Cost and then we have the holiday airlines. TUI being the worlds biggest holiday airline! You may call it charter and cling to the past, but a holiday airline is exactly that..

my understanding is that, "holiday airlines" was just a name for airlines that use cost efficient way to bring people to leisure destination, for airlines created before the name "LCC" was coined, hence they're so named for the lack of a better name to describe their operations?


Anyone who knows the likes TUI, would know they are not “Low Cost”.
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:11 pm

Ryga wrote:
c933103 wrote:
FCAA321 wrote:

I think you’ll find that TUI and Thomas Cook in the UK are not low cost carriers.

There seems to be a big lapse of people’s knowledge between the three different types. Scheduled, Low Cost and then we have the holiday airlines. TUI being the worlds biggest holiday airline! You may call it charter and cling to the past, but a holiday airline is exactly that..

my understanding is that, "holiday airlines" was just a name for airlines that use cost efficient way to bring people to leisure destination, for airlines created before the name "LCC" was coined, hence they're so named for the lack of a better name to describe their operations?


Anyone who knows the likes TUI, would know they are not “Low Cost”.


In the UK those holiday airlines are not LCC at all. TUI/Thomas Cook. Most passengers are booking package holidays which include flights and these are the opposite of cheap. You pay more, for the convenience of all booked easily and nothing to worry about. In fact these are almost always more expensive than booking flights and hotels etc separately as they are all in one packages.

Also the labels ULCC/LCC etc are NOT the same as cheap fare airlines. Purely how the airline is run from a management perspective. It’s “(Ultra) Low Cost Carrier” and not “Low Fare Airline” for a reason. Often linked or similar but certainly not necessary or a given.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:28 pm

CAPA has indepth story on Zipair

Some highlights

> JAL launched it as a defensive strategy - primarily with eye against Air Asia X ambitions making inroads to Japan
> Longhaul routes(US most likely) planned to start 2021 once experience gained for ETOPS certification. Hence short/medium routes to start in 2020.
> 2 787 frames added annually through 2024
> Applied for AOC March 8th - expect issuance in 4-5 months. Staff hiring begins next month in April.
> Zipair will operate alongside JAL in some markets esp routes with big demand and wide customer profiles, while also opening up new ones not served by JAL.
> Zip allows JAL to experiment in the market, and better manage segmentation and pricing models.
> While LCC, will interline with JAL and allow JAL to have a presence in markets it does not serve itself today (eg NRT-ICN)
> Will work to some degree with Jetstar Group, including Japan domestic feed. Also learning from Jetstar experience with 787 and longhaul LCC model.
> Not planning to serve Australia. Jetstar already covers 2 routes from NRT to Australia.
> 787 seat config not decided, but likely similar to Jetstar (335) with a small premium cabin offering.
> By 2024, targeting 5 longhaul routes, and 5 mediumhaul Asian markets from NRT.
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:12 pm

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> Zipair will operate alongside JAL in some markets esp routes with big demand and wide customer profiles, while also opening up new ones not served by JAL.
> Zip allows JAL to experiment in the market, and better manage segmentation and pricing models.


Umm...HNL is a given (operating alongside "mainline" JL). Markets like LAS perhaps? HKT in Thailand?

janders wrote:
> 787 seat config not decided, but likely similar to Jetstar (335) with a small premium cabin offering.


Only thing known is that it'll be 9-abreast. That's about it, though.

janders wrote:
> While LCC, will interline with JAL and allow JAL to have a presence in markets it does not serve itself today (eg NRT-ICN)
> Will work to some degree with Jetstar Group, including Japan domestic feed. Also learning from Jetstar experience with 787 and longhaul LCC model.


The Jetstar domestic part I would assume to be similar to the current interline arrangement at NRT (JL use GK as feed to secondary cities right now). Not surprising that they jump back into NRT-ICN with a LCC-product, either, given the insane amount of LCC seats on that route right now.
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Assuming we are reading the same CAPA article,
janders wrote:
While LCC, will interline with JAL and allow JAL to have a presence in markets it does not serve itself today (eg NRT-ICN)

Nowhere in the article it said it will interline with JAL.
Also learning from Jetstar experience with 787 and longhaul LCC model.

The article didn't mention anything like that, instead it's just about learning how to manage an LCC in the past years.
> By 2024, targeting 5 longhaul routes, and 5 mediumhaul Asian markets from NRT.

This is just an assumption by CAPA
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:15 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Both JL and NH dropped NRT-ICN in favor of HND-GMP/ICN instead.

Fixed for you - neither JL nor NH operates into ICN at least on pax side (ANA does fly cargo flights however not from HND).

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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:16 pm

Livery and uniform reveal today.

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https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/170936


So boring!
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:28 pm

The jacket isn't matching with the pants and the tie chosen for the occasion is not right.

I don't like the livery nor the uniforms.

It looks like they are not serious with this project.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:35 pm

Looks very amateurish. Compare and contrast with what Peach are doing....
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Talk about trying to compete for the blandest livery with MU.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:52 pm

The crew look like restaurant waiters.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:00 pm

This is the most Japanese thing ive seen in a minute, it's fantastic.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:17 pm

The models in the uniforms seem very unhappy.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:16 pm

janders wrote:
Livery and uniform reveal today.

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https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/170936


So boring!

It say their 788 will have about 50% more seats than JAL's 788, which mean about 280 seats
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:13 am

Livery looked like something made in Word 95.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:26 am

TheEuphorian wrote:
Livery looked like something made in Word 95.


Wrong Program. It's made in Microsoft Paint :white: :white:

flee wrote:
Looks very amateurish. Compare and contrast with what Peach are doing....


Both Peach and Vanilla Air (the latter soon to be gone, though) has much better livery. Even the truly "vanilla" Vanilla Air livery (The one that doesn't has the yellow part in the tail) looks better than this.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:27 am

Holy, this is minimalist at its worst. Those cabin crew looks like they are attending a funeral. And the livery leaves too much to be desired for.
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:53 am

For a company that has done poorly with "new ideas", I do not see how JAL will make this work without eating their own business. I can understand regional routes where the competition is LCC and the mainline carriers are pushing a premium package product.

On Japan to North America... this is bound to happen. If AsiaX and JetStar can make it work with 6~8 hour flights, I think they could make it work for HNL and LAX. It is just another 2 hours. Anything longer than that and I don't see how they can make it work.... Oasis 2.0?
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:11 am

Gives off a pretty gloomy appearance. Hardly a brand people would get excited about imo.


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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:18 am

The livery actually remind me of the era of 1960s despite I didn't experience the era.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:20 am

LAXintl wrote:
Gives off a pretty gloomy appearance. Hardly a brand people would get excited about imo.


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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37MKYQU0AUoKBV.jpg


I don’t care for the name, but I do like the branding and livery. It’s the first new livery in a very long time to reintroduce a cheat line.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:31 am

Love the branding. Finally not something ridiculous like Scoot or Jetstar or Vanilla or Peach or Chocolate Chip Mint or Cookies and Cream.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:40 am

Anything to bring a cheatline back is decent in my book. Don't know if it's related to their strategy but it almost looks more like a premium brand than an LCC, it's giving me a department store vibe. I'm sure contrary to our first thoughts that this took quite a while to develop and had some thought put into it. The Japanese market is admittedly very different from ours.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:42 am

Looks extremely corporate Japanese. It is so unbelievably Japanese it might just appeal very well to the Japanese market.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:51 am

I personaly love the livery and the logo. It have this 90s japanese feel that i love. It reminds me those mecha anime logo like Gundam.

The cheatline is lovely but i don't really understand the cabin crew uniform.

Coal wrote:
Love the branding. Finally not something ridiculous like Scoot or Jetstar or Vanilla or Peach or Chocolate Chip Mint or Cookies and Cream.


Exactly! For some reasons, LCC were always associated to "childish" or "funny" branding to appeal the younger passengers (?).
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:57 am

Somehow the name "Zip" doesn't sound too Japanese.

Also, those logo looks like ZARA logo.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:01 am

This livery isn't particularly exciting imho, but I'll give it credit for the use of green and cheatline, that are becoming extremely scarce, in a context where more and more airlines make use of boring, safe and generic shades of blue in their liveries, along with almost completely white fuselages (and where cheatlines are almost automatically a no-go).

The result looks ok to me, wonder if it's the final version or if it will get tweaked later on. But it's definitely not the worst surprise I've had in the past decade. :bigthumbsup:

Edit: agree with the 90s feel remark, teal+font+cheatline!
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:13 am

ewt340 wrote:
Somehow the name "Zip" doesn't sound too Japanese.

Also, those logo looks like ZARA logo.

One of the main reason they use the word "Zip" in brand name is as an onomatopoeia for the image of an arrows fly through air speedily. I would say this is very Japanese.
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:25 am

Another link to the livery,
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ry-457425/

Like the fuselage but the tail is something i would expect to see on a James Bond villains aircraft i think.

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Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:45 am

Its really bothering me that the "Z" logo on the backdrop is not matching the “Z” logo on the tail. IMO adding some grey on the tail and that execution, would have helped with breaking up the blandness of it all.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:41 am

winter wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Gives off a pretty gloomy appearance. Hardly a brand people would get excited about imo.


Image

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37MKYQU0AUoKBV.jpg


I don’t care for the name, but I do like the branding and livery. It’s the first new livery in a very long time to reintroduce a cheat line.


The livery kind of reminds me of Air Do's; ironic considering Air Do is an ANA affiliate.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:36 pm

Its the font guys. Its off the shelf!! typed up in ms word.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:42 pm

As I said a month ago, everything about the branding screams 90s.

Maybe they are targeting that nostalgia?
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:54 pm

Polot wrote:
As I said a month ago, everything about the branding screams 90s.

Maybe they are targeting that nostalgia?

Or maybe the decision makers behind everything about the brand are still using a Showa mindset despite it is already going to be the time of Reiwa?
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:24 pm

winter wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Gives off a pretty gloomy appearance. Hardly a brand people would get excited about imo.


Image

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37MKYQU0AUoKBV.jpg


I don’t care for the name, but I do like the branding and livery. It’s the first new livery in a very long time to reintroduce a cheat line.



The whole idea is probably that the cheat line creates a zipper patter in combination with the windows.
Zipper, Zip air.
What a poor marketing concept...

Might as well make the fuselage look like a toilet roll and call it Toilet PapAir.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:23 am

... Zipper?

Come on guuys, A-net supposedly loves cheatlines!
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