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Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:03 am

AtomicGarden wrote:
... Zipper?

Come on guuys, A-net supposedly loves cheatlines!


.............

Turns out, I personally, as a Chinese, hate any cheatlines on any Chinese airlines... maybe they are just more ancient (all of them originates no later than 1988), but if an airline’s official social media account has to “come in to study the livery” every time major news about A350 emerges, hmmm, time for a brand overhaul. Original link below:

https://m.weibo.cn/1368589977/4359940317696511

Back to ZIPAIR, their cheatlines can be seen as a more elegant retro (not EL AL or THY 707 era retro), and they are just fine.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:26 am

Pacific wrote:
Looks extremely corporate Japanese. It is so unbelievably Japanese it might just appeal very well to the Japanese market.

It somehow reminds me of the Latin font that is used in almost every English version of Japanese website. I know it's not the same, but my brains immediately went there after seeing it.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:40 am

Polot wrote:
As I said a month ago, everything about the branding screams 90s.

Maybe they are targeting that nostalgia?


It would have been '90s overload if they used the 772 instead.

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Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:46 am

Maliyanwalto wrote:
Hello,
I find it highly significant that JAL chose NOT to go with the established Jetstar Japan to expand into long haul... shows confidence in its own management and resources, and that it is not willing to split the earnings with QF.
On the other hand, perhaps QF WAS presented with the opportunity to expand Jetstar Japan and chose not to. Likewise, I would’ve expected Jetstar Pacific to have expanded more by now... perhaps QF isn’t willing for any of its Jetstar partners to grow into long haul at this point, with the obvious exception of Jetstar Australia...
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I do wonder if ZipAir may take over JQ's NRT-CNS and NRT-OOL routes (with JQ sticking their code on), allowing JQ to redeploy those 2 aircraft elsewhere (including the 'long-rumoured' European expansion via SIN that keeps popping as a rumour every year).
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:31 am

downdata wrote:
Oh dear, i can see this working out real well for JAL. Long haul and LCC just dont go together.


Well LCC is a term that has many levels. From Spirit (or are they ULCC) to B6 who are clearly better than DL, UA and AA hands down on a consistent basis.

JL did say high quality and I believe that! (the name sucks, but oh well)

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Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:55 am

SCFlyer wrote:

I do wonder if ZipAir may take over JQ's NRT-CNS and NRT-OOL routes (with JQ sticking their code on), allowing JQ to redeploy those 2 aircraft elsewhere (including the 'long-rumoured' European expansion via SIN that keeps popping as a rumour every year).


Read Reply 67.

Management specifically stated they would not serve Australia as Jetstar covers market.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:59 am

Maybe Zip means zip your mouth shut. Flight attendants can't talk or help you they zip mouth! LOL!

The Zip airline oddly name. It's kinda weird.

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Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:13 am

LAXintl wrote:
Gives off a pretty gloomy appearance. Hardly a brand people would get excited about imo.


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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D37MKYQU0AUoKBV.jpg


As I said b4, there can be only one ZIPAIR:

 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:06 pm

Looks like a virtual airline by some teenager

Wes...
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:10 pm

I get it this is a Japanese airline, but come on... are they serious? There has to be a ZARA store somewhere in Ginza... Well, maybe the Ortega family is getting royalties?

Image

And haven't they heard of "Zorro" the Disney TV show from the 60s?

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And those uniforms... they look like nannies or housekeepers...
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Fri May 03, 2019 3:22 am

Even their website is pretty boring

http://www.zipairtokyo.com
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 6:07 am

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Love the branding. Finally not something ridiculous like Scoot or Jetstar or Vanilla or Peach or Chocolate Chip Mint or Cookies and Cream.


My thoughts exactly. It's simple, minimalist, very Japanese, almost that "vaporwave aesthetic" feel to it. Tokyo circa 1990. It doesn't feel cheap and gimmicky like most low cost carriers with loud, offensive branding and colors. I can't even look at a Spirit's livery without getting stressed.

I feel it. Like someone else said, "a e s t h e t i c " af.

Could be the sound of this airline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdwUOlihDA&t=2594s
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 9:10 am

mfe777 wrote:
Coal wrote:
Love the branding. Finally not something ridiculous like Scoot or Jetstar or Vanilla or Peach or Chocolate Chip Mint or Cookies and Cream.


My thoughts exactly. It's simple, minimalist, very Japanese, almost that "vaporwave aesthetic" feel to it. Tokyo circa 1990. It doesn't feel cheap and gimmicky like most low cost carriers with loud, offensive branding and colors. I can't even look at a Spirit's livery without getting stressed.

I feel it. Like someone else said, "a e s t h e t i c " af.

Could be the sound of this airline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdwUOlihDA&t=2594s

Yes! Tokyo c. 1990. Perfect way to describe it. Love it.
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Tue May 14, 2019 8:30 pm

First routes:

Narita to Bangkok and Seoul with target launch March 2020.

Both markets selected due high demand and low pricing which pushed mainline operations into red in the market.

First longhaul market planned in 2021 to North America.

https://mainichi.jp/articles/20190514/k ... 20/051000c
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Tue May 14, 2019 8:43 pm

Should of stuck to having one LCC brand with Jetstar.
 
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Wed May 15, 2019 4:24 pm

With BKK and ICN being flown due JAL mainline taking loss in the markets, wonder if their first North America route will similarly be a loss maker for JAL, or of they will simply add capacity to an existing major route like LAX for example?
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:38 pm

JAL previous said they would use Zip to segmentize markets better and which could see both operate same cities.
So yes, to North America I could see Zip serve an existing JAL gateway.
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:35 pm

Launch date announced.

Bangkok effective May 14, 2020, while Seoul starts July 1st

https://www.nippon.com/en/news/yjj20190 ... -2020.html
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:21 pm

would like to see some holes in Asia filled that KE/OZ serve from ICN. RGN, DAD, DPS, HKT, PNH for example
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:26 pm

Looks like they decided on the seating configuration as their website now mentions 290-seat 787 aircraft.
Not bad considering Scoot manages 335 on their 787-8s.
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:57 pm

I love the usage of a cheatline. Two thumbs up due to that alone.
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Re: JAL longhaul LCC = ZIPAIR

Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:59 am

First ZIPAIR 788 JA822J has rolled out of paint at XMN

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https://twitter.com/cathay_chen/status/ ... 44512?s=20
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:49 am

I think the "Z..." branding is awful, almost lazy - but the livery? I'm not sure why, but I absolutely love it. Like others have said, Tokyo c. 1990 - and I do love a good bout of nostalgia.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:42 am

Good looking a/c, absolutely dreadful livery...

Not that any pax would care of course...
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:18 pm

... and it will grow on us.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:33 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Looks like they decided on the seating configuration as their website now mentions 290-seat 787 aircraft.
Not bad considering Scoot manages 335 on their 787-8s.


290pax is more like Norwegian's config which is fairly comfy..Do they have any plans to expand to Europe too?
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:44 pm

In addition to JA822J the second frame for ZIP reported to be JA825J

Interesting also that ZIP Air will use NRT T-1, not T-2 where JAL is based.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:31 am

Wow. To bad they didn't bring back JALways that looked better.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:54 am

LAXintl wrote:
Interesting also that ZIP Air will use NRT T-1, not T-2 where JAL is based.


Plenty of room at T1N since Delta is leaving and ANA is moving more flights to HND.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 am

I'm going to guess YVR would be one of the first continental North American destinations, and mainline will leave. YVR is mostly a tourist/VFR market and it's hard to compete with the Star Alliance combo of NH/AC plus the fact that NH flies from HND for the business passenger.


usflyer msp wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Interesting also that ZIP Air will use NRT T-1, not T-2 where JAL is based.


Plenty of room at T1N since Delta is leaving and ANA is moving more flights to HND.



Sure but why can't they stay at T2? JAL will be moving flights to HND too. Now connections are a hassle and it's not like T1 is cheaper to operate from than T2.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:24 am

ST165 wrote:
Sure but why can't they stay at T2? JAL will be moving flights to HND too. Now connections are a hassle and it's not like T1 is cheaper to operate from than T2.


It's possible NRT is granting them a deal in exchange for taking all the space Delta is vacating?
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:35 am

YVR was a destination for almost 70 years, I wouldn't expect JL to exit YVR at all. Also they have codeshare with WS so makes no sense for JL to cut YVR.

ST165 wrote:
I'm going to guess YVR would be one of the first continental North American destinations, and mainline will leave. YVR is mostly a tourist/VFR market and it's hard to compete with the Star Alliance combo of NH/AC plus the fact that NH flies from HND for the business passenger.


usflyer msp wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Interesting also that ZIP Air will use NRT T-1, not T-2 where JAL is based.


Plenty of room at T1N since Delta is leaving and ANA is moving more flights to HND.



Sure but why can't they stay at T2? JAL will be moving flights to HND too. Now connections are a hassle and it's not like T1 is cheaper to operate from than T2.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:53 am

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ITSTours wrote:
Press release from JAL. ZIPAIR confirmed.
http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/201903/005096.html

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Ok. Dat logo though. Are they really serious with their efforts? This is legitimately a 5 mins mspaint job and that's being generous.

For starters, they shouldnt be using a free preset font... https://befonts.com/cradley.html


MSpaint? No... This was done using PowerPoint in the corporate office. No design or marketing agency was involved.

I feel this is a huge risk for JAL. They still have an attitude that they have to be everything to everyone and meet every market need. So they want to be a network carrier and a LCC. Right now on certain Asia routes, JAL is doing fairly well. Their goals to grow their international mainline business to be a bigger part of their profit is a challenge but if done right, should see them capturing SEA and NA traffic and feeding it through Japan. Right now they are not appealing to groups on the same personal level.

LCCs in Japan are starting to take on business for trips to Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia. JAL relies on some of these for mainline traffic but losing especially with the younger Japanese traveler and start-up business travelers who wants to be more flexible and not spend a ton of money. JAL's main consumer target has not changed in 30 years and it still runs like a Japanese government agency.... slow and inefficient.

My feeling is this LCC will not work and the aircraft and staff will need to be either folded back into JAL or released.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:05 am

Why does JL need two LCC brands? Why not continue to use the established Jetstar brand? Seems like a waste of time and money to not build on an already established brand. Jetstar Japan is 33% owned by JL - why not look at this structure and perhaps increase their stake, or build a seperate long haul offshoot using the synergies of GK? With Jetstar Asia out of SIN, Jetstar Pacific in Vietnam, and Jetstar AU/NZ the brand is not massive, but decent enough to be worthy of leveraging off.

VN already owns a dubious 70% of Jetstar pacific, so no need why JL couldn’t be the majority owner of the long haul offshoot?

ZIP however...... ? Nothing distinguishing about it.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:33 am

The same could be said why does IAG need two LCC brands in Vueling & Level. I agree that maybe resurrecting the JALWays branding could have been the way to go, would have saved a ton of rebranding and marketing money over launching a completely new identity. However, lets give it a chance and watch the progress rather than just dissing what JAL are trying to do.
 
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:07 pm

A little blurb in the news that JAL has completed a capital increase in ZIPAir to total US$118 million. Additional funding is in preperation of operations and for growth.

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/191181

Certainly not cheap to start a new airline - even with only 2 planes.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:32 pm

The first 787 fir Zip has sat doing nothing since painting? Seems rather a waste of a plane...
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:12 am

This is going to end just like Joon.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:25 am

Less is more. I like the livery. Looks very classic and elegant just like CX's refreshed livery.
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:27 am

Spiderguy252 wrote:
This is going to end just like Joon.


And what made you say that? With a growing and booming tourism in to Japan and with the 2020 Olympics, I think Zipaur has good potentials.

AF-KL, more notably AF is a badly run and mismanaged airline hence the demise of Joon. JL, yes they have gone into bankruptcy but since then, they have generated profits and are conservative in expansion.

So tell me, how is Jet Airways and Air India doing?
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:15 pm

That has to be ones of the worst liveries I've ever seen in my entire life. I hated and I mean HATED the JAL rebrand a few years ago but this is China Eastern sort of bad. Disastrous.
 
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J343 wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
This is going to end just like Joon.


And what made you say that? With a growing and booming tourism in to Japan and with the 2020 Olympics, I think Zipaur has good potentials.

AF-KL, more notably AF is a badly run and mismanaged airline hence the demise of Joon. JL, yes they have gone into bankruptcy but since then, they have generated profits and are conservative in expansion.

So tell me, how is Jet Airways and Air India doing?


Joon is gone only b/c that airline was created to more or less as an attempt to get around the AF labor contract. Once that got settled, there was no reason for AF to keep Joon as a separate airline with additional overhead. You're correct about mismanagement, though - Joon never really have an identity or focus (Don't give me the BS about being "jenue" focus...)

Zipair from day one has one objective - a "leisure" offshoot of the more "premium" JAL "mainline". Hack, can you even call AF "premium"? I can't.
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Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:48 pm

CHRISBA35X wrote:
That has to be ones of the worst liveries I've ever seen in my entire life. I hated and I mean HATED the JAL rebrand a few years ago but this is China Eastern sort of bad. Disastrous.

But why bother with a flashy uber-modern livery outside when the service will be basic inside ? Zipair is not a premium airline so doesn't need premium branding.
It's a basic livery for a basic air transport co.
 
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zakuivcustom wrote:
J343 wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
This is going to end just like Joon.


And what made you say that? With a growing and booming tourism in to Japan and with the 2020 Olympics, I think Zipaur has good potentials.

AF-KL, more notably AF is a badly run and mismanaged airline hence the demise of Joon. JL, yes they have gone into bankruptcy but since then, they have generated profits and are conservative in expansion.

So tell me, how is Jet Airways and Air India doing?


Joon is gone only b/c that airline was created to more or less as an attempt to get around the AF labor contract. Once that got settled, there was no reason for AF to keep Joon as a separate airline with additional overhead. You're correct about mismanagement, though - Joon never really have an identity or focus (Don't give me the BS about being "jenue" focus...)

Zipair from day one has one objective - a "leisure" offshoot of the more "premium" JAL "mainline". Hack, can you even call AF "premium"? I can't.


I agree that I never saw AF as a 'premium airline'. My point was that Zipair could sustain low cost leisure routes.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:06 am

TC957 wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
That has to be ones of the worst liveries I've ever seen in my entire life. I hated and I mean HATED the JAL rebrand a few years ago but this is China Eastern sort of bad. Disastrous.

But why bother with a flashy uber-modern livery outside when the service will be basic inside ? Zipair is not a premium airline so doesn't need premium branding.
It's a basic livery for a basic air transport co.


I don't agree. the branding should be attractive and distinctive - it costs nothing to have a strong brand and strong brands breed customer loyalty and infer quality which are two things that are vital to any LoCo branding.

Even if the service is basic no frills, you need to infer with the brand that the airline is friendly and fun. This does none of that. The Japanese are very good at branding and so it is a surprise to see this so tone deaf and not covering any of the bases you want. I guess the brief must have been for a stuffy yet generic, bland and meaningless branding that does not infer any welcome, fun, friendship or quality.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:00 am

J343 wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
This is going to end just like Joon.


And what made you say that? With a growing and booming tourism in to Japan and with the 2020 Olympics, I think Zipaur has good potentials.

AF-KL, more notably AF is a badly run and mismanaged airline hence the demise of Joon. JL, yes they have gone into bankruptcy but since then, they have generated profits and are conservative in expansion.

So tell me, how is Jet Airways and Air India doing?


Sorry, you are the CEO of which airline again?

Please refrain from making this personal. There was no need to bring AI and jet here.
 
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unnayan wrote:
J343 wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
This is going to end just like Joon.


And what made you say that? With a growing and booming tourism in to Japan and with the 2020 Olympics, I think Zipaur has good potentials.

AF-KL, more notably AF is a badly run and mismanaged airline hence the demise of Joon. JL, yes they have gone into bankruptcy but since then, they have generated profits and are conservative in expansion.

So tell me, how is Jet Airways and Air India doing?


Sorry, you are the CEO of which airline again?

Please refrain from making this personal. There was no need to bring AI and jet here.


There was nothing personal about comparing one airline from another. Facts are facts.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:04 pm

God-awful livery aside, I hope they do well. Some of the best flights I've ever had ever were on JAL and they remain one of the very few airlines I still look forward to flying on, not least because it usually means I'm going to Japan again and that's something I love doing above very few things, travel-wise. If the hard and soft product are delivered with JL-esque care, professionalism and attention to detail, even allowing for the fact that it is a LoCo, i'll be happy to come aboard.

I would love to see them come to AMS/LGW, really could do very well I think.

Sorry if its already been discussed, but will these birds have IFE and wifi?
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:06 pm

I've just realised what that livery reminds me of - you know when airlines haven't debuted a new livery yet so use a placeholder in internal documents to signify the new livery but not show it? Its like that. Or one of the liveries from one of those SimAirport games you used to get.

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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos