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CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:41 pm

Looks like the FAA has determined that the long planned 12000ft runway for CLT is not necessary and they will instead proceed with a new 10000ft runway (equal to the current longest runway).

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/02/27/2019-03434/notice-of-cancellation-of-environmental-impact-statement-for-proposed-capacity-enhancements-and

I recall the 12000ft runway had been previously claimed to be key to opening up new long haul services. With this no longer on the table, what does this mean for CLT's future long haul prospects?
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:45 pm

Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:45 pm

Misleading thread title; they didn’t cancel the runway, but rather shortened its planned length.
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:48 pm

Same happened in RDU
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:49 pm

compensateme wrote:
Misleading thread title; they didn’t cancel the runway, but rather shortened its planned length.


Sorry, didn't mean to be. Changed it.
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:51 pm

Sounds like they wanted to get 707's in there.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:58 pm

Do full TPAC loads require 12,000 ft runways?
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:02 pm

How much TPAC flying is leaving CLT? Vanishingly small number, I’d guess and there’s better located options for AA like ORD.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:10 pm

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How much TPAC flying is leaving CLT? Vanishingly small number, I’d guess and there’s better located options for AA like ORD.


I though it was for cargo-Asia flights.
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:36 pm

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Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


Hell is in Michigan so I don't think that would require a 12,000 foot runway :rotfl:
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:47 pm

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Do full TPAC loads require 12,000 ft runways?


Don't think so. While BOS is approximately 400 miles closer than CLT to places like PEK/PVG/HKG/etc. I don't think the HU + JL 787s or even the CX 77Ws suffer payload penalties when taking off from BOS' two 10,000-footers: 4R/22L (10,006 ft.) or 15R/33L (10,083 ft.). Can't imagine it being much different with CLT.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:05 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


Not that any current airlines serving CLT are using the A380 maybe the airport was looking down the road to future international possibilities. I state this fully realizing that A380 production will grind to a halt in the not to distant future. So in the interest of trying to at least speculate why CLT wanted this much concrete how much length is required for a fully loaded A380 to take off and to land with more than enough length. If there is any merit to my theory CLT could have expressed the need for 12,000 ft. prior to the decision by Airbus to call it quits on the A380
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:19 pm

So if I’m understanding this, both CLT and RDU’s proposals to build a new 12,000 foot and 11,500 foot runway respectively have been shortened/modified?

Why?
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:08 pm

I'm not sure we're looking at this the right way. A 787 going to Asia might only need 10000ft, but what would an A321neo going to Europe from CLT need?

Peak Europe flying means full planes during the summer departing during the hottest part of the mid-afternoon. 95F+ and every seat taken.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:34 pm

Space Shuttle? :lol:
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:35 pm

mikejepp wrote:
I'm not sure we're looking at this the right way. A 787 going to Asia might only need 10000ft, but what would an A321neo going to Europe from CLT need?

Peak Europe flying means full planes during the summer departing during the hottest part of the mid-afternoon. 95F+ and every seat taken.


At that takeoff roll length, weight, and temp, would the tyres handle it?
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:41 pm

We got a new 14k' runway in 2014, mind you we are at 3600' elevation...
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:46 pm

mikejepp wrote:
I'm not sure we're looking at this the right way. A 787 going to Asia might only need 10000ft, but what would an A321neo going to Europe from CLT need?

Peak Europe flying means full planes during the summer departing during the hottest part of the mid-afternoon. 95F+ and every seat taken.


A 321 would need a longer runway than a 787? I find that hard to believe.
 
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Heights wrote:
So if I’m understanding this, both CLT and RDU’s proposals to build a new 12,000 foot and 11,500 foot runway respectively have been shortened/modified?

Why?

Because they don’t need runways that long so building one that length is just a waste of money.

It is reality slapping down overly ambitious airport designers.
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:34 pm

mikejepp wrote:
I'm not sure we're looking at this the right way. A 787 going to Asia might only need 10000ft, but what would an A321neo going to Europe from CLT need?

Peak Europe flying means full planes during the summer departing during the hottest part of the mid-afternoon. 95F+ and every seat taken.


Who the heck is flying A321neo to Europe from CLT?

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
How much TPAC flying is leaving CLT? Vanishingly small number, I’d guess and there’s better located options for AA like ORD.


I though it was for cargo-Asia flights.


What cargo plane has enough range to take off from CLT and make it to Asia? I thought even 777F can only make Asia from the West Coast?
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:06 pm

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ikolkyo wrote:
Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


Not that any current airlines serving CLT are using the A380 maybe the airport was looking down the road to future international possibilities. I state this fully realizing that A380 production will grind to a halt in the not to distant future. So in the interest of trying to at least speculate why CLT wanted this much concrete how much length is required for a fully loaded A380 to take off and to land with more than enough length. If there is any merit to my theory CLT could have expressed the need for 12,000 ft. prior to the decision by Airbus to call it quits on the A380

An A380 is actually quite preppy because of its wing. Better field performer than a 77W
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:17 pm

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csweet wrote:
Do full TPAC loads require 12,000 ft runways?


Don't think so. While BOS is approximately 400 miles closer than CLT to places like PEK/PVG/HKG/etc. I don't think the HU + JL 787s or even the CX 77Ws suffer payload penalties when taking off from BOS' two 10,000-footers: 4R/22L (10,006 ft.) or 15R/33L (10,083 ft.). Can't imagine it being much different with CLT.

Only thing I can think of is heat and humidity. BOS is no where near the level of heat and humidity that CLT has for a much longer part of the year. There's a reason why MIA and MCO have 13,000 and 12,000 rwys even though they don't have flights to Asia (well, DOH is in Asia but you know what I mean). I doubt an airline can fly to Asia from CLT with only a 10,000ft runway, most of the year.
A longer runway also allows for derated takeoffs which for hub as large as CLT, it adds up to quite a bit of savings over time. And there's also a safety element. A longer runway offers better safety margins. If an airport is going to build a brand new runway, always ask for more than what is needed :)
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:34 pm

I'm sure there is a reason but not sure I understand why the FAA cares what length runway CLT or any airport has as long as environmental & other studies are in the clear. Anyone with knowledge of this?
Back to the question that has been asked. Does this now axe the possibility for CLT to have nonstop flights to Asia? (not that I see the near term potential for pax flights, maybe cargo).
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:36 pm

Money, the FAA funds these projects like the interstate highways. Money is always and everywhere the answer.

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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:37 pm

I think the answer would be found if people would list the aircraft and situation that requires more than 10,000 ft of runway. I don't think the list is that long... which explains the reason.

Concerning the space shuttle: My understanding is that it was rated to land at a 3 Km /10,000 ft runway (and that some of the listed abort runways were that length). They preferred to land at longer runways for margin... They did have 2 or 3 primary designated abort runways which were longer (France, UK, and I'm not sure of the 3rd). The biggest problem handling the space shuttle had to do with the very toxic chemicals that would be leaking and potentially spewing from the shuttle, which was why they had primary designated abort runways. Those locations had hazmat teams and equipment staged during launches to handle and cleanup the chemicals involved in a timely fashion. They had similar primary abort landing airports designated and staffed for landings. Any other airport would likely have been shutdown for a day or more if the shuttle landed there. Also, space to rig the Shuttle onboard the transport 747 for a ride home.

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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway canceled

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:43 pm

KarlB737 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


Not that any current airlines serving CLT are using the A380 maybe the airport was looking down the road to future international possibilities. I state this fully realizing that A380 production will grind to a halt in the not to distant future. So in the interest of trying to at least speculate why CLT wanted this much concrete how much length is required for a fully loaded A380 to take off and to land with more than enough length. If there is any merit to my theory CLT could have expressed the need for 12,000 ft. prior to the decision by Airbus to call it quits on the A380


The A380 has pretty decent field performance and 10,000 feet is adequate for basically any A380 mission unless it was a 100 degree day in Bogota.

While SYD is admittedly at sea level, A380s somewhat routinely use the 8,301 foot Rwy 25 when it's in use, certainly for 'short' flights like SYD-SIN (3,908 mi) and I've also seen it used by EK in the past for SYD-DXB (7,481 mi).
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:51 pm

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Misleading thread title; they didn’t cancel the runway, but rather shortened its planned length.

If an airplane can't get off in 10,000 ft? they're not going at all
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:55 pm

airbazar wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
csweet wrote:
Do full TPAC loads require 12,000 ft runways?


Don't think so. While BOS is approximately 400 miles closer than CLT to places like PEK/PVG/HKG/etc. I don't think the HU + JL 787s or even the CX 77Ws suffer payload penalties when taking off from BOS' two 10,000-footers: 4R/22L (10,006 ft.) or 15R/33L (10,083 ft.). Can't imagine it being much different with CLT.

Only thing I can think of is heat and humidity. BOS is no where near the level of heat and humidity that CLT has for a much longer part of the year. There's a reason why MIA and MCO have 13,000 and 12,000 rwys even though they don't have flights to Asia (well, DOH is in Asia but you know what I mean). I doubt an airline can fly to Asia from CLT with only a 10,000ft runway, most of the year.
A longer runway also allows for derated takeoffs which for hub as large as CLT, it adds up to quite a bit of savings over time. And there's also a safety element. A longer runway offers better safety margins. If an airport is going to build a brand new runway, always ask for more than what is needed :)


On a standard day+27, which is hotter than Charlotte essentially all the time, a 77W can get off a 10,000 foot runway at CLT's elevation at about 690,000 pounds. That's easily enough for Japan, Korea, and PEK and probably enough for PVG too. Stuff like CLT-MNL/SIN is too long for a 77W even with a longer runway. So it's difficult to think of many routes where an extant aircraft has the range but could not get out of a CLT on a 10,000 foot runway in all but the most extreme connections.
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:57 pm

2175301 wrote:
I think the answer would be found if people would list the aircraft and situation that requires more than 10,000 ft of runway. I don't think the list is that long... which explains the reason.

I'm not going to go through the trouble of listing all but it's relatively easy to find.
Find the ACAP from each manufacturer. Here's Boeing's:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/airpo ... nuals.page
Click on the 787 for example. Scroll down to to the airplane performance section and the "Takeoff Runway Length Requirements", and read the chart.
On a standard day a 788 needs all of 10,000ft of runway at MTOW. Add a little heat and humidity which is the case almost every day at CLT and you can't reach MTOW. In other words, forget flights to Asia in the near future from CLT.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:05 pm

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I'm sure there is a reason but not sure I understand why the FAA cares what length runway CLT or any airport has as long as environmental & other studies are in the clear. Anyone with knowledge of this?
Back to the question that has been asked. Does this now axe the possibility for CLT to have nonstop flights to Asia? (not that I see the near term potential for pax flights, maybe cargo).


$$$

Federal money is used for runway expansion, construction and maintenance. For example, DFW just re did one of their primary runways (17C) and out of the 130 million cost, 80 came from FAA grants.
2019: SIN HKG NRT DFW IAH HOU CLT LGA JFK SFO SJC EWR SNA EYW MIA BOG LAX ORD DTW OAK PVG BOS DCA IAD ATL LAS BIS CUN PHX OAK SYD CVG PHL MAD ORY CDG SLC SJU BQN MHT YYZ STS BIS DOH BLR KTM MFM MEX MSY BWI DEN
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:06 pm

soflaflyer wrote:
I'm sure there is a reason but not sure I understand why the FAA cares what length runway CLT or any airport has as long as environmental & other studies are in the clear. Anyone with knowledge of this?
Back to the question that has been asked. Does this now axe the possibility for CLT to have nonstop flights to Asia? (not that I see the near term potential for pax flights, maybe cargo).


$$$

Federal money is used for runway expansion, construction and maintenance. For example, DFW just re did one of their primary runways (17C) and out of the 130 million cost, 80 came from FAA grants.
2019: SIN HKG NRT DFW IAH HOU CLT LGA JFK SFO SJC EWR SNA EYW MIA BOG LAX ORD DTW OAK PVG BOS DCA IAD ATL LAS BIS CUN PHX OAK SYD CVG PHL MAD ORY CDG SLC SJU BQN MHT YYZ STS BIS DOH BLR KTM MFM MEX MSY BWI DEN
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:07 pm

MCO has long runways because it was an old Air Force base.
 
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MCO has long runways because it was an old Air Force base.
 
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strfyr51 wrote:
compensateme wrote:
Misleading thread title; they didn’t cancel the runway, but rather shortened its planned length.

If an airplane can't get off in 10,000 ft? they're not going at all


No, as he acknowledged in a subsequent posting, he changed the thread title.
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airbazar wrote:
2175301 wrote:
I think the answer would be found if people would list the aircraft and situation that requires more than 10,000 ft of runway. I don't think the list is that long... which explains the reason.

I'm not going to go through the trouble of listing all but it's relatively easy to find.
Find the ACAP from each manufacturer. Here's Boeing's:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/airpo ... nuals.page
Click on the 787 for example. Scroll down to to the airplane performance section and the "Takeoff Runway Length Requirements", and read the chart.
On a standard day a 788 needs all of 10,000ft of runway at MTOW. Add a little heat and humidity which is the case almost every day at CLT and you can't reach MTOW. In other words, forget flights to Asia in the near future from CLT.

Unless they have the hi-thrust option, in which case you only need ~8,500’.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:31 pm

CLT had approval to extend 18-36C many years ago but abandoned that plan in favor of a new runway. Only problem w/long distance trips from CLT (including HNL) are the hot temps in the summer. which is why 27R in ATL has been incrementally extended over the years to 12k+.
 
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Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


A few years ago ATL added 500 feet to runway 9L-27R to allow flights to the far east to operate N/S.
ATLANTA, GA--(Marketwire - Jul 24, 2012) - More nonstop destinations, additional payload capacity, more flexibility for aircraft operations and enhanced safety during emergency situations are all potential benefits of a runway extension that recently opened at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

A 500-foot extension of Runway 27R, the Airport's longest runway, opened to aircraft traffic on July 16.

"This is exactly the type of infrastructure project that adds to the overall efficiency of Hartsfield-Jackson," said Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed. "It not only saves our passenger and cargo air carriers time and money but also strengthens Atlanta's position as a preferred gateway for international business and tourism."

During the heat of summer, it can take longer for aircraft to gain the lift needed to take off. Air temperature directly affects how much fuel, passengers and cargo an airplane can carry -- and how much runway is needed for a safe takeoff.

"The runway extension allows long-haul aircraft to fly longer distances nonstop, because they can hold more fuel on takeoff," said Aviation General Manager Louis Miller. "An additional 500 feet here means our passenger and cargo carriers can reach nonstop destinations hundreds of miles farther away than they could before."
 
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Does this save the overlook park?
 
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airlineworker wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Where are they trying to fly for a 12,000ft runway to be necessary? Asia? Hell, Australia? Lol


A few years ago ATL added 500 feet to runway 9L-27R to allow flights to the far east to operate N/S.


That is relevant to performance capability but AA's CLT hub is never going to rival DL's ATL hub in daily seats or non-stop destinations. CLT isn't just competing regionally with ATL - it's competing with AA's own hubs at DFW and MIA.

So, yeah, it gets down to FAA $. Why spend the extra $50-100 million for the extra 2,000 ft of runway which isn't likely to be used even four times a day - if ever in the next decade.
 
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So, yeah, it gets down to FAA $. Why spend the extra $50-100 million for the extra 2,000 ft of runway which isn't likely to be used even four times a day - if ever in the next decade.

Personally I'm of the opinion that when it comes to infrastructure and especially airport infrastructure it's always better to over build. You take what you can get when you can get it because it's only a matter of time until the nimbys and environmentalists come calling and put a stop to any future expansion. Just look at MUC who chose to do the sensible thing and build only 2 runways because that was all that was needed at the time even tho they had approval for 3 runways. They are kicking themselves now for being sensible.
 
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CLT wants a 12,000 foot runway for when certain middle east carriers decide to take off mid-point...
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2175301 wrote:
I think the answer would be found if people would list the aircraft and situation that requires more than 10,000 ft of runway. I don't think the list is that long... which explains the reason.

Concerning the space shuttle: My understanding is that it was rated to land at a 3 Km /10,000 ft runway (and that some of the listed abort runways were that length). They preferred to land at longer runways for margin... They did have 2 or 3 primary designated abort runways which were longer (France, UK, and I'm not sure of the 3rd). The biggest problem handling the space shuttle had to do with the very toxic chemicals that would be leaking and potentially spewing from the shuttle, which was why they had primary designated abort runways. Those locations had hazmat teams and equipment staged during launches to handle and cleanup the chemicals involved in a timely fashion. They had similar primary abort landing airports designated and staffed for landings. Any other airport would likely have been shutdown for a day or more if the shuttle landed there. Also, space to rig the Shuttle onboard the transport 747 for a ride home.

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Natesantiago88 wrote:
Does this save the overlook park?


No, the new runway will go through the current overlook - actually, I believe final approach will be over the overlook, this should cut off some from the south end that was going to require road rerouting. The airport authority is committed to replacing the overlook, but as yet, there is no date on when it will close or where the replacement will be.
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usxguy wrote:
CLT wants a 12,000 foot runway for when certain middle east carriers decide to take off mid-point...


Already discussed, A380 ( for as it’s around) isn’t limited by 10,000’.

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My only question is, WHERE would such a runway go? The other side of I-485? How long would THOSE taxis to the terminal take?? On the east side of the airport are the whole ANG complex and Billy Graham Pkwy.
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http://www.cltairport.com/News/Pages/De ... jects.aspx

Scroll down and a preview of what was planned for the 12k ft, I would assume it will be in the same position just shorter
 
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csweet wrote:
Do full TPAC loads require 12,000 ft runways?


Depends on weight and temperature conditions etc. Omni Air operated a B777 freighter off of my home town SBN off of an 8400ft Runway nostop to Japan last September. They actually flew two flights out of SBN to Japan. So anything is possible. I do not know what the weather conditions were at the time or what their takeoff weight was but they made it off both times.
 
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Jtjohnsontexas wrote:
Sounds like they wanted to get 707's in there.


haha too true! I remember watching Condor fly their 707's out of MSP either side of 1980 to Germany, and they literally would use every single inch of the 10,000' longest runway at the time. The mains would honestly sometimes break ground between the numbers and the piano keys ../
 
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airbazar wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
So, yeah, it gets down to FAA $. Why spend the extra $50-100 million for the extra 2,000 ft of runway which isn't likely to be used even four times a day - if ever in the next decade.

Personally I'm of the opinion that when it comes to infrastructure and especially airport infrastructure it's always better to over build. You take what you can get when you can get it because it's only a matter of time until the nimbys and environmentalists come calling and put a stop to any future expansion. Just look at MUC who chose to do the sensible thing and build only 2 runways because that was all that was needed at the time even tho they had approval for 3 runways. They are kicking themselves now for being sensible.


It's nice to spend other people's money. If AA was paying for it - say, through a per departure or per ton fee allocated across all CLT departures - do you think they'd want it?
 
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Re: CLT new 12000ft runway shortened

Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:14 am

Way too many comments and lack of knowledge of aircraft performance. A larger aircraft (i.e. A380), does not mean more runway length needed. Has anyone ever seen a CRJ200 take off out of LAS in the summer? Take off runs if 12,000-14,000ft were not uncommon.

For the record, PHL just recently extended it's 10,500 foot runway to 12,000ft. and has similar summer weather to both CLT and BOS, so there must be a reason an airport does that vs. not doing it.

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