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B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:10 pm

http://blueir.investproductions.com/inv ... -184504961

There are a couple other threads floating around about JetBlue in general, but I think this deserves its own thread. (Some of this has been addressed in the weekly OAG thread which Enilria graciously posts, but not everything has been captured.)

Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA. My question is where the additional DCA slots are coming from (or what they're dropping).
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:24 pm

Interesting that they are adding ORD, I thought they didn't have enough gates, did something change? I would love to see them add more flights to ORD in the future.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:34 pm

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jetbluefan1 wrote:
http://blueir.investproductions.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2019/02-27-2019-184504961

There are a couple other threads floating around about JetBlue in general, but I think this deserves its own thread. (Some of this has been addressed in the weekly OAG thread which Enilria graciously posts, but not everything has been captured.)

Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA. My question is where the additional DCA slots are coming from (or what they're dropping).


This hourly shuttle is big news. No doubt it deserves a thread. So where are the DCA slots coming from? They are dropping a lot of Florida unless they’ve gotten slots from AS or somewhere.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:43 pm

If JetBlue wants to do something really new, they should make the shuttle "Hop On, Hop Off": You buy a ticket for a specific day, but can show up anytime during that day. First come, first served.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:47 pm

Dropping Dca-TPA and DCA-BDL
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:48 pm

Looking at the PHL-BOS in SEP B6 will have 8x service bring the total up to 26x daily between PHL and BOS, I wouldn't think there would be that much travel between Philly and Boston.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:51 pm

This was the expansion that BTV Burlington VT wanted to get their Boston flight back. Now its all on Delta to add that route the airport and business community wants back. Bummer.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:52 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
This was the expansion that BTV Burlington VT wanted to get their Boston flight back. Now its all on Delta to add that route the airport and business community wants back. Bummer.


Delta will gladly add that flight for you and charge $666 one-way. ;)
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:54 pm

No way in hell that AS is giving up out of perimeter slots to anyone ever. Especially with HQ2 now solely in Arlington, VA.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:54 pm

This is actually a good expansion by B6, but they really need to find a way to connect NYC and DC. Pulling out of IAD leaves a large hole in their route network by being the only major player in the Northeast not having any flights between New York and DC.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:57 pm

evank516 wrote:
This is actually a good expansion by B6, but they really need to find a way to connect NYC and DC. Pulling out of IAD leaves a large hole in their route network by being the only major player in the Northeast not having any flights between New York and DC.

Might not be big enough market to support another airline. DL, AA, and UA already fly NYC-DC. Plus Amtrak has taken traffic from the airlines.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:01 pm

Austin787 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
This is actually a good expansion by B6, but they really need to find a way to connect NYC and DC. Pulling out of IAD leaves a large hole in their route network by being the only major player in the Northeast not having any flights between New York and DC.

Might not be big enough market to support another airline. DL, AA, and UA already fly NYC-DC. Plus Amtrak has taken traffic from the airlines.


DL and AA are the only airlines flying from LGA/JFK-DCA with UA doing all of that flying from EWR. EWR-IAD is hub to hub as well. It's certainly big enough to support B6, and with their popular product people would use it since AA and DL have resorted to mostly RJs on the route. The same argument could be made for NYC-Boston too, which all three airlines fly from at least one of the major NYC Airports, plus Amtrak from Penn Station but they make it work.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:03 pm

ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4
Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:09 pm

Amtrak sells out frequently on DC-philly-NY-BOS, it leaves the airlines some space. Demand is too high for Amtrak to keep up especially Acela. I use to commute NY-DC frequently and Amtrak is a better product in every way but when schedules changed Amtrak you would hit sold out trains too frequently and it made it harder to shift things last minute when plans changed for business. The airlines shuttles always had seats to adjust. Amtrak plans to boost capacity are a long time away still and will run late.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:10 pm

Blerg wrote:
Interesting that they are adding ORD, I thought they didn't have enough gates, did something change? I would love to see them add more flights to ORD in the future.


Unfortunately I think this comes at the expense of one of the JFKORD frequencies, which are only loaded at 2x this summer. Bummer, since JFKORD is a profitable market for B6, but something has got to give since B6 has only one gate.

enilria wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
jetbluefan1 wrote:
http://blueir.investproductions.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2019/02-27-2019-184504961

There are a couple other threads floating around about JetBlue in general, but I think this deserves its own thread. (Some of this has been addressed in the weekly OAG thread which Enilria graciously posts, but not everything has been captured.)

Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA. My question is where the additional DCA slots are coming from (or what they're dropping).


This hourly shuttle is big news. No doubt it deserves a thread. So where are the DCA slots coming from? They are dropping a lot of Florida unless they’ve gotten slots from AS or somewhere.


Yeah, a Shuttle running 14x a day on the hour is a true "shuttle" like the old times. Does AA still fly a shuttle in this market too? Can't imagine they will be too happy about this, although this move seems to be squarely aimed at DL.

Seems that DCA-TPA/BDL are both being dropped (which makes sense given that TPA is the lowest yielding of the Florida markets, where B6 is not strong anyway, and I can't imagine BDL performs all that well either).

evank516 wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
This is actually a good expansion by B6, but they really need to find a way to connect NYC and DC. Pulling out of IAD leaves a large hole in their route network by being the only major player in the Northeast not having any flights between New York and DC.

Might not be big enough market to support another airline. DL, AA, and UA already fly NYC-DC. Plus Amtrak has taken traffic from the airlines.


DL and AA are the only airlines flying from LGA/JFK-DCA. It's certainly big enough to support B6, and with their popular product people would use it since AA and DL have resorted to mostly RJs on the route. The same argument could be made for NYC-Boston too, which all three airlines fly from at least one of the major NYC Airports, plus Amtrak from Penn Station but they make it work.


B6 has very little reason to re-enter the NYC-DC market. The local (air) market is next to nothing, and B6's NYC operations are hyper focused on serving local demand. Not only that, but those limited DCA slots are a lot more valuable being put into markets with significant local demand where B6 can offer a competitive schedule.

BOS-NYC is a different ballgame since B6 is catering to the BOS-based business traveler.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:15 pm

So clearly there are more reductions out there somewhere to provide the aircraft and DCA slotsfor this expansion. Come on A.netters! This is the type of detective work we do! :bouncy:
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:18 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
So clearly there are more reductions out there somewhere to provide the aircraft and DCA slotsfor this expansion. Come on A.netters! This is the type of detective work we do! :bouncy:



If Delta starts PDX-BOS, they’ll squeeze JetBlue’s meager Boston summer-only service out of Portland.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:23 pm

This expansion is pretty clearly aimed at defending their turf from DL, who flies (or will be flying by September, anyway...) all of these routes. I think DL will be willing to play the long game and wait it out, but we'll see - if there's a significant recession in the near future they may back down and focus on NYC in the Northeast.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:27 pm

ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4

Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
Sav 2x 320
Ewr 5x 190
JFK 5x 190
Lga 6x 190
Dca 11x 190
near hourly service 0600-2200 weekdays
Discontinue
Dca-bdl
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:32 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Amtrak sells out frequently on DC-philly-NY-BOS, it leaves the airlines some space. Demand is too high for Amtrak to keep up especially Acela. I use to commute NY-DC frequently and Amtrak is a better product in every way but when schedules changed Amtrak you would hit sold out trains too frequently and it made it harder to shift things last minute when plans changed for business. The airlines shuttles always had seats to adjust. Amtrak plans to boost capacity are a long time away still and will run late.


Amtrak suffers dilution from intermediate stops, so actual load factor is in the 60s. Dilution happens when a NYC - PHL passenger takes a seat that could otherwise be sold to a more profitable NYC - DCA passenger, making it seem like trains are "SOLD OUT" when they're actually not. Dilution increases exponentially the bigger an imbalance between city pairs along a route grows. That's why Acela actually runs a loss below the rails.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:34 pm

For the record B6 was not adding BTVBOS. It was always DL(CRJ900). They are just deciding what will make more money. In Roc B6/AA fly ROC-BOS. They can run BTVBOS with no competition. Also it helps to get the airport to give them possible incentives. Also DGS is cheap labor so win win for DL
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:35 pm

Where's that year-round extension on PDX-BOS...? C'mon now. If they can have two daily flights in the summer, then surely they can have at least one in the fall/winter/spring as well.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:38 pm

Nope PDX BOS not going to happen...next
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:54 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Dropping Dca-TPA and DCA-BDL


I still see in the schedules...TPA anyway
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:57 pm

What would be really interesting would be if they start using A320 neos to fly from Boston to Europe.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:10 pm

Swadian wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Amtrak sells out frequently on DC-philly-NY-BOS, it leaves the airlines some space. Demand is too high for Amtrak to keep up especially Acela. I use to commute NY-DC frequently and Amtrak is a better product in every way but when schedules changed Amtrak you would hit sold out trains too frequently and it made it harder to shift things last minute when plans changed for business. The airlines shuttles always had seats to adjust. Amtrak plans to boost capacity are a long time away still and will run late.


Amtrak suffers dilution from intermediate stops, so actual load factor is in the 60s. Dilution happens when a NYC - PHL passenger takes a seat that could otherwise be sold to a more profitable NYC - DCA passenger, making it seem like trains are "SOLD OUT" when they're actually not. Dilution increases exponentially the bigger an imbalance between city pairs along a route grows. That's why Acela actually runs a loss below the rails.


There is a very simple revenue management solution to these problems. Why hasn't Amtrak made the easy change?
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:17 pm

Wow, does that put PHL as the airport with the 2nd most B6 flights out of BOS, behind DCA?
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:18 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA.


I find the "Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA" to be underwhelming and mostly just a rearrangement of the 16 daily flights they already offer. The press release only mentions EWR (of the three primary NYC airports) receiving additional service to/from BOS. But honestly, how many business travelers from BOS to NYC are just looking to go to NYC and don't care which NYC airport they're traveling to/from?
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:53 pm

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ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4

Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
Sav 2x 320
Ewr 5x 190
JFK 5x 190
Lga 6x 190
Dca 11x 190
near hourly service 0600-2200 weekdays
Discontinue
Dca-bdl
Dca-tpa


I am seeing 11x on E190. Not sure where the 320/1 suggestion came from. The first AM flight is currently a 320, but the rest are E190. The 11x frequency matches AA. AA uses 319, so it will still have more seats. But JetBlue can advertise no middle seats of course. BTW, DL doesn't do BOS-DCA nonstop. Is that the next move, a DL shuttle? With zero frequencies now I can't see a full shuttle, but maybe 2 or 3?
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:57 pm

ScottB wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA.


I find the "Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA" to be underwhelming and mostly just a rearrangement of the 16 daily flights they already offer. The press release only mentions EWR (of the three primary NYC airports) receiving additional service to/from BOS. But honestly, how many business travelers from BOS to NYC are just looking to go to NYC and don't care which NYC airport they're traveling to/from?


Agreed. B6's not going to make much of a dent in DL's or AA's BOS-LGA traffic in this way. It can't hurt to rearrange the schedule such that there's a flight at the bottom of each hour, though.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:58 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4

Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
Sav 2x 320
Ewr 5x 190
JFK 5x 190
Lga 6x 190
Dca 11x 190
near hourly service 0600-2200 weekdays
Discontinue
Dca-bdl
Dca-tpa


I am seeing 11x on E190. Not sure where the 320/1 suggestion came from. The first AM flight is currently a 320, but the rest are E190. The 11x frequency matches AA. AA uses 319, so it will still have more seats. But JetBlue can advertise no middle seats of course. BTW, DL doesn't do BOS-DCA nonstop. Is that the next move, a DL shuttle? With zero frequencies now I can't see a full shuttle, but maybe 2 or 3?


DL already announced BOS-DCA at 6x daily
https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-more- ... hington-dc
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:00 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4

Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
Sav 2x 320
Ewr 5x 190
JFK 5x 190
Lga 6x 190
Dca 11x 190
near hourly service 0600-2200 weekdays
Discontinue
Dca-bdl
Dca-tpa


I am seeing 11x on E190. Not sure where the 320/1 suggestion came from. The first AM flight is currently a 320, but the rest are E190. The 11x frequency matches AA. AA uses 319, so it will still have more seats. But JetBlue can advertise no middle seats of course. BTW, DL doesn't do BOS-DCA nonstop. Is that the next move, a DL shuttle? With zero frequencies now I can't see a full shuttle, but maybe 2 or 3?

DL announced 6x daily DCA-BOS with at least 4 frequencies being cut from other routes that we know of. Starts Sept 9th, so B6 getting in under the wire with these 9/4 changes.

https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-more- ... hington-dc
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:01 pm

Sounds like B6 is continuing to wind down their operations, first with the discontinuation of DAB-JFK and now BDL-DCA. Merger announcement must be imminent. It was a good ride but all things must end I guess.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

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Blueknows wrote:
Dropping Dca-TPA and DCA-BDL


AA has 6 daily flights BDL-DCA.
 
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Dropping Dca-TPA and DCA-BDL


AA has 6 daily flights BDL-DCA.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:10 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Where's that year-round extension on PDX-BOS...? C'mon now. If they can have two daily flights in the summer, then surely they can have at least one in the fall/winter/spring as well.


I agree, it's pretty sad that they can't make PDXBOS work even 1x year-end (or even like 4x/week). PDX is probably B6's worst West Coast market. Even from JFK they struggle.

ScottB wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Of note is the Shuttle service to DCA, and Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA.


I find the "Shuttle-like service to JFK/EWR/LGA" to be underwhelming and mostly just a rearrangement of the 16 daily flights they already offer. The press release only mentions EWR (of the three primary NYC airports) receiving additional service to/from BOS. But honestly, how many business travelers from BOS to NYC are just looking to go to NYC and don't care which NYC airport they're traveling to/from?


Totally fair point, it's more or less a marketing gimmick. Although to a certain extent I think there is a market for people who will look at both EWR and LGA schedules, and will mix-and-match if needed (myself included), especially if their final destination or origin is Midtown Manhattan.

capitalflyer wrote:
I am seeing 11x on E190. Not sure where the 320/1 suggestion came from. The first AM flight is currently a 320, but the rest are E190. The 11x frequency matches AA. AA uses 319, so it will still have more seats. But JetBlue can advertise no middle seats of course. BTW, DL doesn't do BOS-DCA nonstop. Is that the next move, a DL shuttle? With zero frequencies now I can't see a full shuttle, but maybe 2 or 3?


As noted above DL will soon launch BOSDCA. Additionally, these additional flights are not yet loaded into the schedule. B6 will be running 14x on BOSDCA, not 11x, although I suspect that it will be all-E190 (with maybe one A320 thrown in).
 
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Nope PDX BOS not going to happen...next

And why exactly would you say that...?
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:16 pm

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If JetBlue wants to do something really new, they should make the shuttle "Hop On, Hop Off": You buy a ticket for a specific day, but can show up anytime during that day. First come, first served.

That's quite an interesting idea. Does any airline (not just in the U.S.) have that kind of service? I think that they could use that kind of service to their advantage, in terms of marketing for their flights. The general public would be pleased, unless of course, too many people show up an then there's no seats available...
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:20 pm

In the old days of the shuttles, seating was always guaranteed. Planes were kept on standby and extra segments were routinely added during peak times. Tickets were not sold for a particular flight or even a particular date.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:36 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Sounds like B6 is continuing to wind down their operations, first with the discontinuation of DAB-JFK and now BDL-DCA. Merger announcement must be imminent. It was a good ride but all things must end I guess.


Man the pessimism in this statement.... They just beefed up their ops in one city and cut two routes that didn't make any money, I can tell you from taking the JFK-DAB run many times, JetBlue wasn't breaking even on that route and possibly a few others in their system
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:39 pm

RollerRB211 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Amtrak sells out frequently on DC-philly-NY-BOS, it leaves the airlines some space. Demand is too high for Amtrak to keep up especially Acela. I use to commute NY-DC frequently and Amtrak is a better product in every way but when schedules changed Amtrak you would hit sold out trains too frequently and it made it harder to shift things last minute when plans changed for business. The airlines shuttles always had seats to adjust. Amtrak plans to boost capacity are a long time away still and will run late.


Amtrak suffers dilution from intermediate stops, so actual load factor is in the 60s. Dilution happens when a NYC - PHL passenger takes a seat that could otherwise be sold to a more profitable NYC - DCA passenger, making it seem like trains are "SOLD OUT" when they're actually not. Dilution increases exponentially the bigger an imbalance between city pairs along a route grows. That's why Acela actually runs a loss below the rails.


There is a very simple revenue management solution to these problems. Why hasn't Amtrak made the easy change?


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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:42 pm

Swadian wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Amtrak sells out frequently on DC-philly-NY-BOS, it leaves the airlines some space. Demand is too high for Amtrak to keep up especially Acela. I use to commute NY-DC frequently and Amtrak is a better product in every way but when schedules changed Amtrak you would hit sold out trains too frequently and it made it harder to shift things last minute when plans changed for business. The airlines shuttles always had seats to adjust. Amtrak plans to boost capacity are a long time away still and will run late.


Amtrak suffers dilution from intermediate stops, so actual load factor is in the 60s. Dilution happens when a NYC - PHL passenger takes a seat that could otherwise be sold to a more profitable NYC - DCA passenger, making it seem like trains are "SOLD OUT" when they're actually not. Dilution increases exponentially the bigger an imbalance between city pairs along a route grows. That's why Acela actually runs a loss below the rails.


I thought Acela was profitable and well as the Northeast Regional....now the Southwest Chief/California Zephyer and Empire Builder are massive losers. Also what does below the rails mean? Since I dont know
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:54 pm

Cool So jetbluefan can you just go into saber for me and pull up flights for BOS Dca??? Didn't think so... They are all e190 no airbus320
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:56 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Totally fair point, it's more or less a marketing gimmick. Although to a certain extent I think there is a market for people who will look at both EWR and LGA schedules, and will mix-and-match if needed (myself included), especially if their final destination or origin is Midtown Manhattan.


One issue I see here is that they've only committed to bottom-of-the-hour departures from BOS. If the return schedules are less convenient that will be problematic. Moreover, I think business passengers aren't going to be eager to fly into one airport and return from another -- that just gets complicated when dealing with ground transportation. One of the key points of the Shuttle service is to make it as frictionless as possible (given the constraints of weather and ATC). That's why the DL and AA Shuttles usually depart from a small subset of gates and B6 has tried to do that with their BOS-LGA flights. Dealing with multiple NYC airports isn't frictionless.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:02 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Cool So jetbluefan can you just go into saber for me and pull up flights for BOS Dca??? Didn't think so... They are all e190 no airbus320


I would start looking at United, Delta, or American openings. Sounds like this operation is almost done.
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:09 pm

sargester wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Sounds like B6 is continuing to wind down their operations, first with the discontinuation of DAB-JFK and now BDL-DCA. Merger announcement must be imminent. It was a good ride but all things must end I guess.


Man the pessimism in this statement.... They just beefed up their ops in one city and cut two routes that didn't make any money, I can tell you from taking the JFK-DAB run many times, JetBlue wasn't breaking even on that route and possibly a few others in their system


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ScottB wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Totally fair point, it's more or less a marketing gimmick. Although to a certain extent I think there is a market for people who will look at both EWR and LGA schedules, and will mix-and-match if needed (myself included), especially if their final destination or origin is Midtown Manhattan.


One issue I see here is that they've only committed to bottom-of-the-hour departures from BOS. If the return schedules are less convenient that will be problematic. Moreover, I think business passengers aren't going to be eager to fly into one airport and return from another -- that just gets complicated when dealing with ground transportation. One of the key points of the Shuttle service is to make it as frictionless as possible (given the constraints of weather and ATC). That's why the DL and AA Shuttles usually depart from a small subset of gates and B6 has tried to do that with their BOS-LGA flights. Dealing with multiple NYC airports isn't frictionless.


Totally, NYC airports aren't frictionless even on a good day ha. I live in Hell's Kitchen and, personally, I prefer to fly out of JFK as I find it's easiest to get to using public transport (the E-train to Jamaica or the LIRR+AirTrain combo aren't that terrible). The risk of getting stuck in traffic going to LGA just adds too many wrinkles to my already-aging face. But I do agree that most business people utilizing the Shuttle - the daytrippers - are unlikely to find this "Shuttle-like" service to be of much use.

Does anyone know if any other airline has ever flown from all 3 NYC airports to BOS before? I think DL/AA have always flown LGA/JFK, but UA has always had EWR to itself.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:14 pm

Surprised they don’t try out markets like SDF-BOS, as I see B6 as the only real chance for that route.
 
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:21 pm

Blueknows wrote:
ALL EXTENDED SERVICE
STARTS SEPT 4

Aus 2x 320
Chs 3x 2 320/1 190
Ord 6x 190
Cle 4x 190
Dtw 4x 3 190/1 320
Bna 3x 320
Ewr 5x 190
Mco 6x 320/321
Phl 8x 190
Rdu 7x 190
Sav 2x 320
Ewr 5x 190
JFK 5x 190
Lga 6x 190
Dca 11x 190
near hourly service 0600-2200 weekdays
Discontinue
Dca-bdl
Dca-tpa


Ummm, should I assume from your lists Blueknows that Blue is dropping all service to the rest of the country? For example, no west coast service any more? Sorry to see that...

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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:28 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Looking at the PHL-BOS in SEP B6 will have 8x service bring the total up to 26x daily between PHL and BOS, I wouldn't think there would be that much travel between Philly and Boston.


My assumption they’re reacting to DL from 4x to 6x summer service increase. Interesting to see how this goes
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Re: B6 Announces Major BOS Expansion

Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:31 pm

FSDan wrote:
This expansion is pretty clearly aimed at defending their turf from DL, who flies (or will be flying by September, anyway...) all of these routes. I think DL will be willing to play the long game and wait it out, but we'll see - if there's a significant recession in the near future they may back down and focus on NYC in the Northeast.


I completely agree with you. Definitely is a response to Delta’s services on those routes. They not going down without a fight. Going to be an interesting summer in Boston.
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