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LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:28 pm
by windycity613
EL AL LY plans to start Chicago ORD TLV non stop in 2020

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-a ... 1001276138

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 new service

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:29 pm
by kiowa
I was really hoping United or even AA start this service.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:34 pm
by Trk1
United will before El AL will actually fly the route

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:28 pm
by FA9295
They probably saw everyone on a.net begging for the flight and decided to start it. :lol:

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:42 pm
by windycity613
Trk1 wrote:
United will before El AL will actually fly the route


United only announced new TLV service from Washington IAD in May 2019.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:34 pm
by United787
If O'Hare 21 was completed and they had additional gates in which to fit 787s, I would agree that UA would be starting this before LY but their 'wings' are tied, as they say.

Also, SFO-TLV is relatively new and with IAD-TLV starting, they might want to wait to see how those two markets shake out first. But, I could see UA added ORD-TLV later and pushing LY out of the market. UA can offer a ton of connecting flights at ORD that LY can't. Especially from the southern Evangelical pilgrimage routing...

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:41 pm
by ORD Boy 2
windycity613 wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
United will before El AL will actually fly the route


United only announced new TLV service from Washington IAD in May 2019.

What happened to the post I had on the topic?

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:57 pm
by jmscsc
ORD Boy 2 wrote:
windycity613 wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
United will before El AL will actually fly the route


United only announced new TLV service from Washington IAD in May 2019.

What happened to the post I had on the topic?



It joined my post which is also gone.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:58 pm
by UWPAviation
Fantastic! Will be awesome seeing a new livery around!

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:09 pm
by B1168
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:19 pm
by MAH4546
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:24 pm
by FA9295
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.

Well, the market in Chicago is certainly larger than LAS and MCO, in which they are starting routes to from TLV (albeit, only 1x weekly each).

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:50 pm
by CplKlinger
FA9295 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.

Well, the market in Chicago is certainly larger than LAS and MCO, in which they are starting routes to from TLV (albeit, only 1x weekly each).


I almost don't think of size when I look at market X vs. MCO or LAS. Those two are about what's at the destination, rather than the who.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:55 pm
by LH658
Was hoping UA would have hopped on this first.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:55 pm
by Italianflyer
How many times has LY been in/out of ORD?
Three? Four?

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:01 am
by LHUSA
LH658 wrote:
Was hoping UA would have hopped on this first.


If this proves successful for LY, this will only expedite UA's entry into the market. I agree, they have to let the new IAD-TLV service mature before jumping on ORD.

With IAD 3-weekly (i believe), I could see UA making ORD 4 weekly on the alternate days.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:03 am
by MAH4546
FA9295 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.

Well, the market in Chicago is certainly larger than LAS and MCO, in which they are starting routes to from TLV (albeit, only 1x weekly each).


Orlando is operating as a limited summer service for a total of eight round-trips. Basically instead of a fourth weekly to Miami, which starts not long after Orlando ends.

Easy to fill plans to Orlando and Las Vegas.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:37 am
by ORDfan
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.


How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:43 am
by nomorerjs
Jewish population does not = demand to Israel. NY/NJ, MIA, and LA have large Israeli populations.

I personally think ORD-TLV can work due to connections. We know AA won’t fly it and UA doesn’t have the gates at ORD. Sure, UA could probably make it work (9pm departure from ORD and 5am arrival at ORD), but what aircraft? 777 is probably too much and UA doesn’t bring the 787 to ORD (only mainland hub not to see the aircraft).

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:10 am
by ORDfan
nomorerjs wrote:
Jewish population does not = demand to Israel. NY/NJ, MIA, and LA have large Israeli populations.

I personally think ORD-TLV can work due to connections. We know AA won’t fly it and UA doesn’t have the gates at ORD. Sure, UA could probably make it work (9pm departure from ORD and 5am arrival at ORD), but what aircraft? 777 is probably too much and UA doesn’t bring the 787 to ORD (only mainland hub not to see the aircraft).


There are a multitude of economic ties that are born of the broader Jewish diaspora, in Chicago and elsewhere, that drive the demand for flights. A combination of business interests, Israeli and Palestinian-American O&D, and tourism/VFF will be the biggest drivers of the route's success.

http://www.worldbusinesschicago.com/isr ... cago-ties/

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:26 am
by chicawgo
nomorerjs wrote:
Jewish population does not = demand to Israel. NY/NJ, MIA, and LA have large israeli populations.


Maybe not equal but it has a significant impact.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:29 am
by flyingdoc787
This is a resumption, right? When did LY last serve ORD? I recall seeing an LY 777 overhead when I lived in the Chicago area circa 2006.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:34 am
by MAH4546
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.



I don't understand why people keep on with this ridiculous adage that having a large Jewish population automatically equal demand to Israel. It doesn't. A lot of U.S.-originating traffic to Israel isn't Jews, it's Christian tourism.

Further, having the "fourth largest" Jewish community (and it does not, Philadelphia does) is all relative. It's dwarfed by NYC, Miami and LA, which have large Israeli communities on top of large Jewish communities.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:58 am
by windycity613
flyingdoc787 wrote:
This is a resumption, right? When did LY last serve ORD? I recall seeing an LY 777 overhead when I lived in the Chicago area circa 2006.


The route closed in April 2007.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:14 am
by piedmontf284000
MAH4546 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.



I don't understand why people keep on with this ridiculous adage that having a large Jewish population automatically equal demand to Israel. It doesn't. A lot of U.S.-originating traffic to Israel isn't Jews, it's Christian tourism.

Further, having the "fourth largest" Jewish community (and it does not, Philadelphia does) is all relative. It's dwarfed by NYC, Miami and LA, which have large Israeli communities on top of large Jewish communities.


Incorrect. Chicago is over Philadelphia. In addition, Chicago has the third largest catholic population in the US, so if you want to use the Christian tourism angle then they have that as well.

https://www.jta.org/1962/03/02/archive/ ... -in-survey

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/la ... ted-states

http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/country/scus1.html

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:20 am
by CplKlinger
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.


How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.


Appa

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:29 am
by LMFNINJA
CplKlinger wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.


How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.


Just because Palestinian-Americans can fly El Al, doesn't mean they will. Not to be political, but if I'm of Palestinian descent, I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people. And not to mention that El Al's security will take flying with them a living hell with all the "extra" checks I'd likely go through. I'd take a more neutral airline.

"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:41 am
by CplKlinger
LMFNINJA wrote:
CplKlinger wrote:
ORDfan wrote:

How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.


Just because Palestinian-Americans can fly El Al, doesn't mean they will. Not to be political, but if I'm of Palestinian descent, I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people. And not to mention that El Al's security will take flying with them a living hell with all the "extra" checks I'd likely go through. I'd take a more neutral airline.

"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.


I'm not being political, I'm being realistic. Do you think any Jewish person is going to be eager to fly Saudia, Emirates or Qatar if they could? What's good for the goose and what not...

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:58 am
by aemoreira1981
CplKlinger wrote:
LMFNINJA wrote:
CplKlinger wrote:

Just because Palestinian-Americans can fly El Al, doesn't mean they will. Not to be political, but if I'm of Palestinian descent, I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people. And not to mention that El Al's security will take flying with them a living hell with all the "extra" checks I'd likely go through. I'd take a more neutral airline.

"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.


I'm not being political, I'm being realistic. Do you think any Jewish person is going to be eager to fly Saudia, Emirates or Qatar if they could? What's good for the goose and what not...


You're not considering other options like Royal Jordanian, Turkish Airlines, Swiss International Air Lines, and United Airlines as one-stop options. On the connecting flight, Swiss is usually a wide-body to Israel, Turkish is usually an A321 but with some wide-body frequencies, Royal Jordanian is dependent on demand (varies from E175 to B788)...and United offers the most seats to Israel besides LY from the USA (EWR is a B77W and a B78X).

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:02 am
by ORDfan101
CplKlinger wrote:
LMFNINJA wrote:
CplKlinger wrote:

Just because Palestinian-Americans can fly El Al, doesn't mean they will. Not to be political, but if I'm of Palestinian descent, I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people. And not to mention that El Al's security will take flying with them a living hell with all the "extra" checks I'd likely go through. I'd take a more neutral airline.

"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.


I'm not being political, I'm being realistic. Do you think any Jewish person is going to eager to fly Saudia, Emirates or Qatar if they could? What's good for the goose and what not...


Saudia I would do. Emirates, meh and no way for Qatar. The most popular way to get to Israel from Chicago is RJ!

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:25 pm
by MAH4546
CplKlinger wrote:
LMFNINJA wrote:
CplKlinger wrote:

Just because Palestinian-Americans can fly El Al, doesn't mean they will. Not to be political, but if I'm of Palestinian descent, I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people. And not to mention that El Al's security will take flying with them a living hell with all the "extra" checks I'd likely go through. I'd take a more neutral airline.

"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.


I'm not being political, I'm being realistic. Do you think any Jewish person is going to be eager to fly Saudia, Emirates or Qatar if they could? What's good for the goose and what not...


No, of course not. The difference is that the Jewish person doesn't want to commit genocide to the Saudis, Emiratis, etc. The reverse, however, is true.
HUGE difference that you conveniently ignore.

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:40 am
by windycity613
El Al 2018 4Q earnings report confirms Chicago route in 2020
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 13618.html

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:20 pm
by windycity613
Chicago Tribune article 3x per week starting March 2020 Ticket sales start March 27, 2019
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:29 pm
by windycity613
Chicago Department of Aviation news release El Al March 2020

https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... 7Z7Wsg4Mv0

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:26 am
by alan3
Very surprised this didn't exist already

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:50 am
by ORD Boy 2
Now if only UA would also announce the route! :)

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:10 am
by LHUSA
Doubtful, but I wonder if UA would consider moving IAD over to ORD, just to defend its territory. I think having both would be overkill, unless the days are alternated.

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:53 am
by windycity613
LY TLV-ORD Schedule 3 x per week on a 787-8 282 seats, Business, Premium and Economy class
Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday same day departure
Depart TLV @ 12:00 PM arrive ORD 4:30 PM 12.5 hr flight time
Depart ORD @ 6:50 PM arrive TLV 2:10 PM 11 hours 20 minutes flight time

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:00 pm
by aemoreira1981
windycity613 wrote:
LY TLV-ORD Schedule 3 x per week on a 787-8 282 seats, Business, Premium and Economy class
Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday same day departure
Depart TLV @ 12:00 PM arrive ORD 4:30 PM 12.5 hr flight time
Depart ORD @ 6:50 PM arrive TLV 2:10 PM 11 hours 20 minutes flight time


282 seats on a B788? The B789s have 282 seats!

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:18 pm
by superjeff
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Still no expansion to Texas. Is there insufficient demand?


That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.


How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.



Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. 2/3 of tourists are not Jewish. There is, as stated above, a Palestinian population that might want to travel back; from what I have heard anecdotally, they prefer to fly via a non-Israeli carrier (Alia fly ORD-AMM with a connection to TLV) over an Israeli carrier, but they certainly would be welcome. And because of the length of the flight, I believe LY will be able to fill their premium cabins on this route. With the 787, this route should be a success this time

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:27 pm
by windycity613
aemoreira1981 wrote:
windycity613 wrote:
LY TLV-ORD Schedule 3 x per week on a 787-8 282 seats, Business, Premium and Economy class
Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday same day departure
Depart TLV @ 12:00 PM arrive ORD 4:30 PM 12.5 hr flight time
Depart ORD @ 6:50 PM arrive TLV 2:10 PM 11 hours 20 minutes flight time


282 seats on a B788? The B789s have 282 seats!


LY is flying a combination of 788 and 789's, this was just published Routes online https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

El Al Israel Airlines from late-March 2020 plans to launch Tel Aviv – Chicago O’Hare service, announced earlier this week. From 22MAR20, this route will be served by a mix of Boeing 787-8 and 787-9, 3 times a week.

Following schedule is effective 29MAR20.

LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 789 27
LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 788 4

LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 789 27
LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 788 4

Week of 22MAR20 is operated by 787-8 only.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:53 pm
by 345tas
ORDfan101 wrote:
CplKlinger wrote:
LMFNINJA wrote:
"Not to be political but if I'm of Palestinian descent I'm not flying an airline full of people who generally don't like me or my people."
Actually you are being political. Very political. And very stereotypical.


I'm not being political, I'm being realistic. Do you think any Jewish person is going to eager to fly Saudia, Emirates or Qatar if they could? What's good for the goose and what not...


Saudia I would do. Emirates, meh and no way for Qatar. The most popular way to get to Israel from Chicago is RJ!


Interestingly that order is basically opposite to the airlines' actual policy on Israelis.

QR is a very popular route for Israelis to go to Australia (connecting in Larnarca with Arkia), and UAE also allows Israeli passport holders to transit, at least last time I checked.

Saudia, also last time I checked, doesn't have Israel as an option when inputting contact details, therefore I suspect the same would apply when entering passport details. Meaning any Israeli would have to have another citizenship.

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:06 pm
by jfk777
windycity613 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
windycity613 wrote:
LY TLV-ORD Schedule 3 x per week on a 787-8 282 seats, Business, Premium and Economy class
Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday same day departure
Depart TLV @ 12:00 PM arrive ORD 4:30 PM 12.5 hr flight time
Depart ORD @ 6:50 PM arrive TLV 2:10 PM 11 hours 20 minutes flight time


282 seats on a B788? The B789s have 282 seats!


LY is flying a combination of 788 and 789's, this was just published Routes online https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

El Al Israel Airlines from late-March 2020 plans to launch Tel Aviv – Chicago O’Hare service, announced earlier this week. From 22MAR20, this route will be served by a mix of Boeing 787-8 and 787-9, 3 times a week.

Following schedule is effective 29MAR20.



LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 789 27
LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 788 4

LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 789 27
LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 788 4

Week of 22MAR20 is operated by 787-8 only.




Where is EL AL getting a 787-8, every order they have for 787's is for the -9 version and every photo is the 787-9. Could someone please explain what an El AL 787-8 is ? Is it an internal designation ?

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:48 pm
by aemoreira1981
jfk777 wrote:
windycity613 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

282 seats on a B788? The B789s have 282 seats!


LY is flying a combination of 788 and 789's, this was just published Routes online https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

El Al Israel Airlines from late-March 2020 plans to launch Tel Aviv – Chicago O’Hare service, announced earlier this week. From 22MAR20, this route will be served by a mix of Boeing 787-8 and 787-9, 3 times a week.

Following schedule is effective 29MAR20.



LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 789 27
LY023 TLV1200 – 1630ORD 788 4

LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 789 27
LY024 ORD1850 – 1410+1TLV 788 4

Week of 22MAR20 is operated by 787-8 only.




Where is EL AL getting a 787-8, every order they have for 787's is for the -9 version and every photo is the 787-9. Could someone please explain what an El AL 787-8 is ? Is it an internal designation ?


Near the end of the year, in a 238-seat configurations (J20-W35-Y183).

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:29 pm
by airbazar
LHUSA wrote:
Doubtful, but I wonder if UA would consider moving IAD over to ORD, just to defend its territory. I think having both would be overkill, unless the days are alternated.

Maybe there isn't that much territory to protect in the first place? Why would UA move a flight from IAD that can better capture connections to/from Florida which is a much larger market than the midwest?

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:54 pm
by United787
airbazar wrote:
LHUSA wrote:
Doubtful, but I wonder if UA would consider moving IAD over to ORD, just to defend its territory. I think having both would be overkill, unless the days are alternated.

Maybe there isn't that much territory to protect in the first place? Why would UA move a flight from IAD that can better capture connections to/from Florida which is a much larger market than the midwest?


Florida is already covered by flights from MIA and without backtracking, NYC. ORD connects a lot more pax than IAD for UA and most importantly, connects more of the smaller markets in the bible belt, midwest and great plains including Texas. UA has the ability to capture all of that market but El Al doesn't; so I think UA would do far better at ORD than El Al. But UA doesn't have any room for 787s right now at ORD and the Dept. of Aviation somehow always makes room for more international carriers at T5. Plus, I am sure UA doesn't start flying every route they think they will make money on... only the biggest potential money makers will get a plane (or two in this case).

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:37 am
by ORDfan
superjeff wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

That would be accurate. Not sure why it's surprising there is "still" no Israel-Texas service.

Not much of a market from Chicago, either.


How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.



Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. 2/3 of tourists are not Jewish. There is, as stated above, a Palestinian population that might want to travel back; from what I have heard anecdotally, they prefer to fly via a non-Israeli carrier (Alia fly ORD-AMM with a connection to TLV) over an Israeli carrier, but they certainly would be welcome. And because of the length of the flight, I believe LY will be able to fill their premium cabins on this route. With the 787, this route should be a success this time


Please explain your logic that flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. None? Nothing? The Jerusalem's Post own article cites Chicago's Jewish population as a factor in El Al's decision to return, and Hayom notes that Jewish business leaders, as well as the Consulate, worked on getting the route going again.

Agreed that premium cabins should be full on these, but tourists generally don't fly J, so curious on the thought process about who's filling those seats.

http://www.israelhayom.com/2019/03/19/e ... d-chicago/

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al ... 020-583998

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:30 am
by superjeff
ORDfan wrote:
superjeff wrote:
ORDfan wrote:

How do you figure that? Chicago has the 4th largest Jewish population in the US, and there are sizeable communities in CLE, STL, DTW, MSP that are ripe for connections. HOU+DFW+AUS combined have less than 40% of Chicago's Jewish population.

The other thing that's boomed in the last 20 years since LY tried ORD: the Palestinian immigrant population, with Chicagoland now having the largest population of Palestinian immigrants and people of Palestinian descent in the US. And yes, Palestinian-Americans, like all US passport holders, including those of Arab descent, can fly El Al. This was not the case in the late 90's.



Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. 2/3 of tourists are not Jewish. There is, as stated above, a Palestinian population that might want to travel back; from what I have heard anecdotally, they prefer to fly via a non-Israeli carrier (Alia fly ORD-AMM with a connection to TLV) over an Israeli carrier, but they certainly would be welcome. And because of the length of the flight, I believe LY will be able to fill their premium cabins on this route. With the 787, this route should be a success this time


Please explain your logic that flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. None? Nothing? The Jerusalem's Post own article cites Chicago's Jewish population as a factor in El Al's decision to return, and Hayom notes that Jewish business leaders, as well as the Consulate, worked on getting the route going again.

Agreed that premium cabins should be full on these, but tourists generally don't fly J, so curious on the thought process about who's filling those seats.

http://www.israelhayom.com/2019/03/19/e ... d-chicago/

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al ... 020-583998


Sorry, guy, you obviously didn't read my quote. I said 2/3 of tourists to Israel are NOT JEWISH. and my first sentence: "Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish Connection to Israel". My comment was in response to a earlier post that said otherwise. So, in fact, we are in agreement with each other. But please read before posting.

Re: Chicago ORD El Al LY TLV 2020 New Route

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:04 am
by ORDfan
superjeff wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
superjeff wrote:


Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. 2/3 of tourists are not Jewish. There is, as stated above, a Palestinian population that might want to travel back; from what I have heard anecdotally, they prefer to fly via a non-Israeli carrier (Alia fly ORD-AMM with a connection to TLV) over an Israeli carrier, but they certainly would be welcome. And because of the length of the flight, I believe LY will be able to fill their premium cabins on this route. With the 787, this route should be a success this time


Please explain your logic that flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish connection to Israel. None? Nothing? The Jerusalem's Post own article cites Chicago's Jewish population as a factor in El Al's decision to return, and Hayom notes that Jewish business leaders, as well as the Consulate, worked on getting the route going again.

Agreed that premium cabins should be full on these, but tourists generally don't fly J, so curious on the thought process about who's filling those seats.

http://www.israelhayom.com/2019/03/19/e ... d-chicago/

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al ... 020-583998


Sorry, guy, you obviously didn't read my quote. I said 2/3 of tourists to Israel are NOT JEWISH. and my first sentence: "Flights to Israel do not depend on any Jewish Connection to Israel". My comment was in response to a earlier post that said otherwise. So, in fact, we are in agreement with each other. But please read before posting.


Sorry pal..it's clear we are not in agreement at all but you are struggling to see it. Please interpret my opinion and commentary throughout this thread, as I believe I have made clear, to be that El Al targets North American cities where they believe the Jewish diaspora provides some level of support (i.e. Floria, NYC/NJ, Toronto, CA, etc).

I've supported my opinion with corroborating sources... yet to see yours. Cheers

Re: LY plans to start ORD - TLV non stop in 2020

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:37 pm
by YYZSpotter1991
It's official now. LY plans to start the route in March 2020, utilizing the 789s.

Source: EL AL's Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/elal.canada/po ... 4380575508