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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:42 pm

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread for March 2019. Please continue to add your comments below.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:47 pm

Qatar's QR901 PER-DOH delayed overnight due to going tech, ETD is 455 Friday morning however I have my doubts that will happen. Upon arriving in PER aircraft had to be towed from the runway to the gate
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:14 pm

QF9 and QF1 both seem to be taking a much more westerly route at the moment due to the increased tensions between India and Pakistan

https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... 91c5c38436 (behind a pay wall sorry)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:55 pm

Was looking at airport websites today and looking at passenger numbers and Brisbane has not reported anything since June 2018.
Does anybody know why they have stopped.
Most other of the major airports produce monthly statistics. Adelaide at least publishes quarterly passenger figures.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:16 pm

Here's some gossip... I just stumbled across a youtube video by 'Stefan Drury' (published March 1, 2019) at Avalon Airshow. At around the the 4:05 time mark he talks to a qantas B789 pilot who mentions the routes the B789 flies...AND she specifically says, 'we are also going BNE-SFO...' No date was mentioned though. So that is from a qantas B789 pilots mouth :)
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:51 pm

undertheradar wrote:
Here's some gossip... I just stumbled across a youtube video by 'Stefan Drury' (published March 1, 2019) at Avalon Airshow. At around the the 4:05 time mark he talks to a qantas B789 pilot who mentions the routes the B789 flies...AND she specifically says, 'we are also going BNE-SFO...' No date was mentioned though. So that is from a qantas B789 pilots mouth :)

Interesting as she also said more to come as if BNE-SFO has been announced already is going to be very soon.
Maybe an announcement tomorrow?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:34 am

JQ321 wrote:
undertheradar wrote:
Here's some gossip... I just stumbled across a youtube video by 'Stefan Drury' (published March 1, 2019) at Avalon Airshow. At around the the 4:05 time mark he talks to a qantas B789 pilot who mentions the routes the B789 flies...AND she specifically says, 'we are also going BNE-SFO...' No date was mentioned though. So that is from a qantas B789 pilots mouth :)

Interesting as she also said more to come as if BNE-SFO has been announced already is going to be very soon.
Maybe an announcement tomorrow?


I think it was more 'a slip of the tongue' from her that BNE-SFO is pretty much locked in as one route, when the next batch of B789s start being delivered from NOV 2019. The current fleet of 8 are fully utilized...OR MAYBE the current 3-4 days a week QF55/56 BNE-LAX will be changed to 3-4 days a week BNE-SFO sooner ;) Time will tell :) Either way, I don't think an OFFICIAL announcement will be made this weekend.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:50 am

The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:09 am

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The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.


As per qantas newsroom article published JULY 24th 2018, the current 6pw B789 MEL-HKG service will cease March 29th, BUT then change to 6pw SYD-HKG from March 30th, so the full utilization remains for the current 8 aircraft. There is no 'slack' to do an additional 3pw anywhere else
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:25 am

Maybe it was just a slip of the tongue.
I think any new route will be contingent on the AA/QF JV. Most likely if it’s approved, AA would take over some of the flying between the US and Australia freeing up some of the QF 787 flights to deploy elsewhere.
There is plenty of speculation as to what’s going to happen.
A 4 x per week MEL-SFO and a 3 x per week BNE-SFO would require more than one frame too.
Some of these 787s are going to have to replace SYD 744 routes over the next couple of years as well.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:27 am

Flyerqf wrote:
The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.


I thought that it will switch to SYD-HKG? Or has already. MEL-HKG used BNE’s 789 capacity as MEL’s 4 are already committed to MEL-LHR/LAX/SFO.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:28 am

kriskim wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.


I thought that it will switch to SYD-HKG? Or has already. MEL-HKG used BNE’s 789 capacity as MEL’s 4 are already committed to MEL-LHR/LAX/SFO.


It does switch to Sydney the end of March. See three posts above.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:11 am

Does Anyone know with Haneda opening up new slots could we QANTAS Moving to 2 daily A330 to open up a spare 787 to operate new expansion?
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:19 am

Australia hasn't been granted any additional Haneda slots. Any growth will need to be at NRT for the foreseeable future.

That said I strongly believe that 2x SYD-TYO is all but inevitable given the strong growth in the Australia-Japan market over the past few years, and the diversification of that growth away from being just Queensland beach traffic which dominated in the 1990s.

What I see is 1x HND with the current times and 1x NRT with times something like SYD-NRT 10:00-17:30 and NRT-SYD 19:00-06:45.

This gives a choice of overnight or daylight flight north-bound, and an earlier departure south-bound which could suit some corporate passengers even if it does mean a longer transit out to Narita.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:49 am

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Does Anyone know with Haneda opening up new slots could we QANTAS Moving to 2 daily A330 to open up a spare 787 to operate new expansion?


Half of the new opened slots are granted to US routes already so I doubt Australia can get any this time, given how many countries are also scrambling for the HND slots.

Even if slots are allocated it will probably be JAL who’s getting it.

QF would probably rather to start a new flight to NRT and downsize HND to 789 or 330. (I would say 789 due to heavier premium configuration)

I don’t think QF are making lots of money on tourist/group pax even on HND route. Shifting these pax to NRT will give customers more flexibility and consolidate all resources in NRT.

Price of not buying any 77W really pays here, they have no aircrafts larger than 330 except 380 once 744 retired. Again they can’t use 380 in HND.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:38 am

QF BNE-SFO could come at the expense of BNE-LAX (QF55/56)
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:12 am

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QF BNE-SFO could come at the expense of BNE-LAX (QF55/56)

Evidence?
That would be 33% reduction in capacity and from what i saw from load factor to LAX weren't at ~60% (that's giving them some spare capacity for the greatest demand of the year.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:34 am

JQ321 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF BNE-SFO could come at the expense of BNE-LAX (QF55/56)

Evidence?
That would be 33% reduction in capacity and from what i saw from load factor to LAX weren't at ~60% (that's giving them some spare capacity for the greatest demand of the year.


I was stating my own opinion there I dont need to provide evidence. Additionally with a combination of the AA/QF JV being approved AA could take over the QF55/56 and QF could start BNE-SFO. Another scenario is that QF would have enough data of their own to know how many fly to SFO via LAX or SYD making such a route feasible. Load factors dont tell the whole story, as has just been recently revealed LHR services have only been making a profit after making a loss on the route for nearly a decade, during peak times those flights have been relatively full. With the cost of a ticket to the US being relatively cheap atm operating BNE-SFO instead of some BNE-LAX may be more profitable to operate
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:19 am

qf789 wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF BNE-SFO could come at the expense of BNE-LAX (QF55/56)

Evidence?
That would be 33% reduction in capacity and from what i saw from load factor to LAX weren't at ~60% (that's giving them some spare capacity for the greatest demand of the year.


I was stating my own opinion there I dont need to provide evidence. Additionally with a combination of the AA/QF JV being approved AA could take over the QF55/56 and QF could start BNE-SFO. Another scenario is that QF would have enough data of their own to know how many fly to SFO via LAX or SYD making such a route feasible. Load factors dont tell the whole story, as has just been recently revealed LHR services have only been making a profit after making a loss on the route for nearly a decade, during peak times those flights have been relatively full. With the cost of a ticket to the US being relatively cheap atm operating BNE-SFO instead of some BNE-LAX may be more profitable to operate


I think QF operating BNE-SFO 3x weekly makes sense. Combined with 4x weekly from MEL and probably moving SYD to daily 789 it provides a sensible capacity balance from the east coast to LAX and SFO. As we have seen from UA’s recent decision to reduce LAX-SYD in the coming winter, it is possible that LAX is currently over served in general ex east coast.

Re HKG as mentioned above - I’ve never taken the view that the 789 to HKG was permanent. It’s not necessary to send a 789 to HKG when a 332/333 can do the exact same job with very similar product (sans prem economy). I think this is just a temporary measure until the AA JV is sorted out. The HKG 789s will then be redeployed in my view.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:25 am

Today's QF9 MEL-PER-LHR is scheduled to operate with about a two and half hour delay
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:43 am

Very bad bushfires currently burning on Melbourne's South-Eastern outskirts. I live in Bayswater, and it appears that some flights may have been re-routed to avoid the smoke from what I can see. I know that the AKL flights normally start to descend over Gippsland.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:33 am

9M-MLU operating MH126/127 last night went tech and as a result has spent the night/day on the ground in PER. It’s is scheduled to depart as MH126D at 2000 tonight.
Tonight’s MH127 is operated by 9M-MXW however, MH126(PER-KUL) is listed as cancelled.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:29 am

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9M-MLU operating MH126/127 last night went tech and as a result has spent the night/day on the ground in PER. It’s is scheduled to depart as MH126D at 2000 tonight.
Tonight’s MH127 is operated by 9M-MXW however, MH126(PER-KUL) is listed as cancelled.

From what I can see 9M-MXW will operate MH127/6 as normal; MH126 is shown as cancelled for today (02MAR) only and since normally MH126 departs at 0200 it makes sense as the cancelled flight was supposed to be operated by MLU.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:20 pm

Just heard JQ will take their first A321neoLR in June 2020, then 1 a month for 18 months. Obviously not confirmed yet...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:29 pm

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Australia hasn't been granted any additional Haneda slots. Any growth will need to be at NRT for the foreseeable future.

That said I strongly believe that 2x SYD-TYO is all but inevitable given the strong growth in the Australia-Japan market over the past few years, and the diversification of that growth away from being just Queensland beach traffic which dominated in the 1990s.

What I see is 1x HND with the current times and 1x NRT with times something like SYD-NRT 10:00-17:30 and NRT-SYD 19:00-06:45.

This gives a choice of overnight or daylight flight north-bound, and an earlier departure south-bound which could suit some corporate passengers even if it does mean a longer transit out to Narita.


Currently there are 3 x SYD - TYO direct instead of 2.

1 x QF to HND
1 x NH to HND
1 x JL to NRT
1 x JQ to NRT via OOL

What I believe is that there is room for an additional Daytime departure ex-SYD for NRT if the market keep expanding.

I hope Paul Scurrah can see this opportunity and deploy 1 x A332 to NRT to fill this gap.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:49 pm

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RyanairGuru wrote:
Australia hasn't been granted any additional Haneda slots. Any growth will need to be at NRT for the foreseeable future.

That said I strongly believe that 2x SYD-TYO is all but inevitable given the strong growth in the Australia-Japan market over the past few years, and the diversification of that growth away from being just Queensland beach traffic which dominated in the 1990s.

What I see is 1x HND with the current times and 1x NRT with times something like SYD-NRT 10:00-17:30 and NRT-SYD 19:00-06:45.

This gives a choice of overnight or daylight flight north-bound, and an earlier departure south-bound which could suit some corporate passengers even if it does mean a longer transit out to Narita.


Currently there are 3 x SYD - TYO direct instead of 2.

1 x QF to HND
1 x NH to HND
1 x JL to NRT
1 x JQ to NRT via OOL

What I believe is that there is room for an additional Daytime departure ex-SYD for NRT if the market keep expanding.

I hope Paul Scurrah can see this opportunity and deploy 1 x A332 to NRT to fill this gap.


It's not just simply a case of "gaps can simply be filled". New entrants also needs partners to make a new route work (unless if the entrant is a LCC/ULCC focused entirely on point to point).

VA also needs a Japan partner with a proper codeshare arrangement i.e NH for the route to have some chance at success, as partners are able to provide connecting traffic on top of the O&D traffic.
Hybrids/Full-Service carriers going in on a new route on their own relying entirely on O&D is a lot more risky, and are often more high risk of failing.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:52 pm

CityRail wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Australia hasn't been granted any additional Haneda slots. Any growth will need to be at NRT for the foreseeable future.

That said I strongly believe that 2x SYD-TYO is all but inevitable given the strong growth in the Australia-Japan market over the past few years, and the diversification of that growth away from being just Queensland beach traffic which dominated in the 1990s.

What I see is 1x HND with the current times and 1x NRT with times something like SYD-NRT 10:00-17:30 and NRT-SYD 19:00-06:45.

This gives a choice of overnight or daylight flight north-bound, and an earlier departure south-bound which could suit some corporate passengers even if it does mean a longer transit out to Narita.


Currently there are 3 x SYD - TYO direct instead of 2.

1 x QF to HND
1 x NH to HND
1 x JL to NRT
1 x JQ to NRT via OOL

What I believe is that there is room for an additional Daytime departure ex-SYD for NRT if the market keep expanding.

I hope Paul Scurrah can see this opportunity and deploy 1 x A332 to NRT to fill this gap.


RyanairGuru was talking about Qantas only, that the current SYD-HND 744 service should be replaced by a SYD-HND and SYD-NRT.

For the record VA is unlikely to operate there without a partner
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:04 pm

The following story states embattled Hong Kong Airlines is to get rid of its A330-200 fleet, I wonder if VA would be interested in getting a couple more frames

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hon ... et-cut-its
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:46 pm

Newly formed Vietnamese startup Bamboo Airways has indicated they plan on flying to Australia

https://ifn.news/posts/bamboo-airways-o ... s-737-max/
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:59 pm

The ACCC has written to the IASC expressing concerns over the proposed CX/QF codeshare agreement

http://australianaviation.com.au/2019/0 ... codeshare/
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:04 pm

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Newly formed Vietnamese startup Bamboo Airways has indicated they plan on flying to Australia

https://ifn.news/posts/bamboo-airways-o ... s-737-max/


The Australia - Vietnam market will start to heat up in the next couple of years as both VJ and QH fight it out with VN and JQ. MEL and SYD can easily support at least 3 daily services to Vietnam, there are strong VFR/O&D demand from both markets and premium demand is starting to pick up, but the market dynamics is similar to Malaysia. BNE already has VJ confirmed, but we haven't heard anything for nearly a year now? PER and ADL could easily support a few weekly flights to SGN too, the A321NEO will open up these cities to Vietnam.

What is interesting about the Vietnam market is that there are 2 major hubs, SGN and HAN, demand exAustralia is skewed towards SGN more, but demand has increasingly grown out of HAN. VN has already started SYD-HAN, MEL-HAN should follow soon.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:42 pm

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The ACCC has written to the IASC expressing concerns over the proposed CX/QF codeshare agreement

http://australianaviation.com.au/2019/0 ... codeshare/


That isn't surprising and given that the IASC refused to renew the QF-PX agreement I do wonder whether this codeshare will be approved. What might save them is that the carriers will not sell codeshare services on HKG-SYD/MEL/BNE, only on connections beyond HKG and to regional Australian markets (and New Zealand)
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:43 pm

VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.
 
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VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.

Finally... weren't they supposed to already be all 737-800?
 
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kriskim wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Newly formed Vietnamese startup Bamboo Airways has indicated they plan on flying to Australia

https://ifn.news/posts/bamboo-airways-o ... s-737-max/


The Australia - Vietnam market will start to heat up in the next couple of years as both VJ and QH fight it out with VN and JQ. MEL and SYD can easily support at least 3 daily services to Vietnam, there are strong VFR/O&D demand from both markets and premium demand is starting to pick up, but the market dynamics is similar to Malaysia. BNE already has VJ confirmed, but we haven't heard anything for nearly a year now? PER and ADL could easily support a few weekly flights to SGN too, the A321NEO will open up these cities to Vietnam.

What is interesting about the Vietnam market is that there are 2 major hubs, SGN and HAN, demand exAustralia is skewed towards SGN more, but demand has increasingly grown out of HAN. VN has already started SYD-HAN, MEL-HAN should follow soon.


But QH has only stated intentions to fly here. Nothing concrete. And VJ? I looked up what they’ve stated and their intention to serve Australia was nothing more than a an agreement or a memorandum of understanding. Those sometimes aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. Moreso a publicity gathering stunt. I think we are on the back burner now. They would have announced something concrete by now? Maybe later in the year but I wouldn’t count on it. Could PER and ADL support flights? Based on...?
I think we may see more SYD flights first. 40% of the Vietnamese in Australia live in NSW.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:37 am

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VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.


ZK-OJA will be going in to be repainted either all-white or into an new operators colours - ZK-OJA-OJO are all getting replaced with NEO's
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:47 am

Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:53 am

Seeing as Qantas’ 100th anniversary is next year. Could we see a special livery commemorating this?
 
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SeaEagle8 wrote:
kriskim wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Newly formed Vietnamese startup Bamboo Airways has indicated they plan on flying to Australia

https://ifn.news/posts/bamboo-airways-o ... s-737-max/


The Australia - Vietnam market will start to heat up in the next couple of years as both VJ and QH fight it out with VN and JQ. MEL and SYD can easily support at least 3 daily services to Vietnam, there are strong VFR/O&D demand from both markets and premium demand is starting to pick up, but the market dynamics is similar to Malaysia. BNE already has VJ confirmed, but we haven't heard anything for nearly a year now? PER and ADL could easily support a few weekly flights to SGN too, the A321NEO will open up these cities to Vietnam.

What is interesting about the Vietnam market is that there are 2 major hubs, SGN and HAN, demand exAustralia is skewed towards SGN more, but demand has increasingly grown out of HAN. VN has already started SYD-HAN, MEL-HAN should follow soon.


But QH has only stated intentions to fly here. Nothing concrete. And VJ? I looked up what they’ve stated and their intention to serve Australia was nothing more than a an agreement or a memorandum of understanding. Those sometimes aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. Moreso a publicity gathering stunt. I think we are on the back burner now. They would have announced something concrete by now? Maybe later in the year but I wouldn’t count on it. Could PER and ADL support flights? Based on...?
I think we may see more SYD flights first. 40% of the Vietnamese in Australia live in NSW.


I really don't see VJ starting BNE at all anymore. I think they have pulled a Russia as they should've announced stuff by now. VN should be able to easily start a 4x weekly SGN-BNE service with a daily service increased to as the route develops. PER could probably also support a 3-4x weekly link to SGN. MEL should probably have a HAN link by now as well. The Vietnamese-Australia (vice-versa) is really quite under-served stm and we should hopefully see some big growth over the next few years, especially with the booming Vietnamese economy.
 
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Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:30 am

JQ321 wrote:
Qantas737 wrote:
VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.

Finally... weren't they supposed to already be all 737-800?

No, they deliberately slowed the transition as the A320s still had lease terms to fulfill and a fairly cluttered lease market meant early terminations were hard to access. Some of the A320s will be returned to lessors whilst it is likely a few will have their leases extended and be placed with VARA out of PER.

What is interesting is I think YVA is a BSI 738 rather than one of the older VO* and VU* types that have been transferred to TT previously..
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:48 am

tullamarine wrote:
What is interesting is I think YVA is a BSI 738 rather than one of the older VO* and VU* types that have been transferred to TT previously..


Could they be looking at using TT for International again? while any of the 738s could do it (with the right MX and paperwork) assuming it would be allot simpler with the newer 738s e.g. much lower cycles.

Its about time BNE-DUD is transfered to TT, and even maybe OOL-AKL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:17 am

undertheradar wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.


As per qantas newsroom article published JULY 24th 2018, the current 6pw B789 MEL-HKG service will cease March 29th, BUT then change to 6pw SYD-HKG from March 30th, so the full utilization remains for the current 8 aircraft. There is no 'slack' to do an additional 3pw anywhere else


This isn’t permanent as far as I’m aware. This is to allow the A380 refurb program. But by next year when the 747s are gone, the A380s will be refurbed. SYD-HKG should be a 380 route.

Also the 787 frame doing HKG at the moment is supposed to be based as BNE in line with the deal done with the QLD government.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:24 am

eamondzhang wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael


I think the other element too is, as fleet plans revolve - a type for type replacement isn’t needed. Maybe the Sunrise aircraft will offset the 789? Maybe 797 will be mix use with domestic? They maybe replaced by one fleet, or three. It’s very dynamic,
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:30 am

Flyerqf wrote:
undertheradar wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
The B787 that is currently on MEL-HKG might go BNE-SFO 3 pw to compliment the MEL - SFO 4pw?
This would also make sense if they replace SYD-SFO 747 with a 787 as it would offset the capacity reduction on SYD SFO.


As per qantas newsroom article published JULY 24th 2018, the current 6pw B789 MEL-HKG service will cease March 29th, BUT then change to 6pw SYD-HKG from March 30th, so the full utilization remains for the current 8 aircraft. There is no 'slack' to do an additional 3pw anywhere else


This isn’t permanent as far as I’m aware. This is to allow the A380 refurb program. But by next year when the 747s are gone, the A380s will be refurbed. SYD-HKG should be a 380 route.

Also the 787 frame doing HKG at the moment is supposed to be based as BNE in line with the deal done with the QLD government.


I think an aircraft can be based at any airport but the flying can be done elsewhere. Without a solid replacement for the 744s, some of those 787s are going to have to be SYD “based.” Not sure what that agreement entails but perhaps they can rotate the aircraft between its “home base” and its “operating base.”
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:35 am

smi0006 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael


I think the other element too is, as fleet plans revolve - a type for type replacement isn’t needed. Maybe the Sunrise aircraft will offset the 789? Maybe 797 will be mix use with domestic? They maybe replaced by one fleet, or three. It’s very dynamic,

That's true, and there's also the possibility that even A321neo can replace many of A332 flyings on short to medium haul where capacity isn't the first priority; and let the Project Sunrise aircraft's derivative (e.g. A359) & NMA to take care of the rest. Or they might even use the Sunrise a/c to replace much of 787 flyings which in turn will replace A330 flyings.

I would say it doesn't mean that QF need a solid fleet to replace A330 and it won't be in short term either.

Michael
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:37 am

eamondzhang wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael

I'm talking around 2023-2025 when the oldest will be over 5 years older then when QANTAS Replaced their youngest 747.
Also Their not that efficient for some tasks (Domestic) they are to heavy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:10 am

If the AA/QF JV gets approved by DOT could we see AA and QF Launch Jetstar America?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:12 am

Flyerqf wrote:
SYD-HKG should be a 380 route.


They only sent the A380 to HKG year round for the first (and maybe second?) year. It was then made seasonal (along the with timing changes at LHR) so that they could upgauge DFW and has alternated between A380 and 744 across the year for 5+ years now.

And now that they’ve resumed the second daily flight there’s even less need for the A380 year-around. 650Y is a lot of seats to fill on an off-peak Tuesday.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:31 am

eamondzhang wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael


I can't see a 737 replacement entering the fleet this side of 2025, so the A330s have probably got another 10 years yet IMHO.

If the 797 ends up being everything it is cracked up to be I think it will feature prominently in the Qantas fleet, replacing part of the 737 fleet and part of the A330 fleet, with a Max order for the lower end of the 737 market and 789s (being displaced on some long haul routes by the Project Sunrise aircraft) filling in at the top of the A330 capacity/range.

If the 797 doesn't end up being what Qantas wants then a 320/321 fleet can replace the 737s and something else (more 787s?) can replace the 330s.

Either way Qantas really don't need to rush this decision and can wait a few years to see what comes down the pipeline.
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