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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:16 am

Agree with that RyanAirGuru.

Already a fair amount of Capex in the next five years across the group
787s - current 6 on order through end 2020
321LRn - 18 for Jetstar from 2020 thru end 2022
350/777 - Sunrise - at a guess 6-8 aircraft over 2022-23

The real question with Sunrise is what do you do with the A380s when those aircraft arrive - need to find a route the suffice demand and yield.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:37 am

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I don’t think QF are making lots of money on tourist/group pax even on HND route. Shifting these pax to NRT will give customers more flexibility and consolidate all resources in NRT.


This is really incorrect. SYD-HND is constantly full and QF does charge a premium to route to HND over NRT.

With the Olympics on next year, QF will probably look to open up SYD-NRT but it would probably be a complementary/seasonal service.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:42 am

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If the AA/QF JV gets approved by DOT could we see AA and QF Launch Jetstar America?


No. The Jetstar name isn't big in the US.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:51 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
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The ACCC has written to the IASC expressing concerns over the proposed CX/QF codeshare agreement

http://australianaviation.com.au/2019/0 ... codeshare/


That isn't surprising and given that the IASC refused to renew the QF-PX agreement I do wonder whether this codeshare will be approved. What might save them is that the carriers will not sell codeshare services on HKG-SYD/MEL/BNE, only on connections beyond HKG and to regional Australian markets (and New Zealand)


Interestingly, CX/QF already have approval for QF to codeshare on CX's AU-HKG services. This is simply for CX to codeshare on QF services between the two countries.

In VA's letter to the IASC, they added the fact how QF-SA codeshare was revoked for similar reasons. But taking that into account, what has actually happened since the QF-PX and QF-SA codeshare agreements were revoked - nothing. In fact, VA have actually reduced capacity to PNG. So this goes beyond competition issues but rather passenger preference. Also, has the Australia-South Africa market grown since QF/SA parted ways - no.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:58 am

The Jetstar 788s would struggle with transpac range also
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:03 am

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The Jetstar 788s would struggle with transpac range also


It should be fine via AKL though, it could do what QF used todo with the MEL-LAX service an operate via AKL or even NAN.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:10 am

getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:

I don’t think QF are making lots of money on tourist/group pax even on HND route. Shifting these pax to NRT will give customers more flexibility and consolidate all resources in NRT.


This is really incorrect. SYD-HND is constantly full and QF does charge a premium to route to HND over NRT.

With the Olympics on next year, QF will probably look to open up SYD-NRT but it would probably be a complementary/seasonal service.


What I’m saying is even though the flight is constantly full(I fly on this route a lot), margin at the back of the plane is not ideal. They often have to do intensive sales during low season, plus the economic of 744 makes its margin even worse.

QF does make lots of money on business/premium travellers but they also carry lots of low yield pax on this route. (Japanese school excursion most likely uses QF)

If they have 77W they can just switch to it and problem solved but since they don’t have it the best strategy I can think of is to downsize(optimise)HND to 789 and focus on premium traveller which increases the yield and let NRT takeover all the low yield passenger.

Just my little thought, I have no idea what QF is gonna do in the future.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:11 am

getluv wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
If the AA/QF JV gets approved by DOT could we see AA and QF Launch Jetstar America?


No. The Jetstar name isn't big in the US.

Well by that theory no Jetstar brand should've been launched.
New Entry's names will never be well known. However, with a major U.S. company such as AA backing it might do well...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:11 am

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The Jetstar 788s would struggle with transpac range also


It should be fine via AKL though, it could do what QF used todo with the MEL-LAX service an operate via AKL or even NAN.

Or maybe operate a AKL/WLG/CHC - RAR/NAN - LAX with a FJ codeshare if via NAN?

If done via WLG or CHC then it provides another one stop option to LAX and bypasses AKL
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:12 am

zkncj wrote:
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The Jetstar 788s would struggle with transpac range also


It should be fine via AKL though, it could do what QF used todo with the MEL-LAX service an operate via AKL or even NAN.

There are many options they could take...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:21 am

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VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.

Finally... weren't they supposed to already be all 737-800?


No they were slowly moving from A320 to 737 but until the 737MAX arrive at VA they are limited on how many 737's they can transfer to TT
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:26 am

zkncj wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
The Jetstar 788s would struggle with transpac range also


It should be fine via AKL though, it could do what QF used todo with the MEL-LAX service an operate via AKL or even NAN.
doubt if Fiji would also JQ to fly NAN/LAX or any other USA port from NAN.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:37 am

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Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael


Read what JQ321 said, he referred to older A330-200's and A330-300's. The oldest A330-200 was delivered in 2002 the same year the first 737-800 was delivered, both of which are 17 years old, the oldest A330-300 turns 16 this year so they will need to look at a replacement for at least half the A330 fleet in the coming years. The A330 is somewhat efficient on Asian routes but not on domestic routes, this is the whole argument QF has made about the 797, the economics don't stack up for the A330 on domestic nor is the 787 they are both suited to longer routes. Anyway QF is said to be looking at a 737/797 order or something similar next year.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:43 am

qf789 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Does anyone know when QANTAS is going to choose a replacement for the Older A330-200's and A330-330's?
A330NEO...
A350...
787...

Why do they need such a rush to replace these jets considering they just did an expensive cabin refit and many of them are barely 10 years old? This is an a.net myth that every airline needs to fly the newest possible jet. Obviously not.

They have far more urgent priorities on 744s and coming very soon 738s. A330s are still very efficient jets for the tasks QF assigned them to.

Michael


Read what JQ321 said, he referred to older A330-200's and A330-300's. The oldest A330-200 was delivered in 2002 the same year the first 737-800 was delivered, both of which are 17 years old, the oldest A330-300 turns 16 this year so they will need to look at a replacement for at least half the A330 fleet in the coming years. The A330 is somewhat efficient on Asian routes but not on domestic routes, this is the whole argument QF has made about the 797, the economics don't stack up for the A330 on domestic nor is the 787 they are both suited to longer routes. Anyway QF is said to be looking at a 737/797 order or something similar next year.


Many people probably didn’t notice it but some 330s are actually older than the 744s which are about to be phased out from the fleets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:11 am

British Airways has changed lounges at SYD, from QF to The House

https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airway ... ource=grid
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:14 am

ACCC says that PER is the best airport of the big 4 in Australia rated by the airlines

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/per ... says-accc/
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 am

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British Airways has changed lounges at SYD, from QF to The House

https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airway ... ource=grid


Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.

Great improvement for Business Class passengers and OW Saphire (Qantas Gold, BA Silver) as the Qantas Business Lounge is truly dreadful (it is totally unacceptable that it wasn't gutted years ago) but if I was in First or was OW Emerald (Qantas Platinum, BA Gold) I would still use the Qantas First Lounge.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:22 am

I think the directive to move pax may have come from QF. The QF Syd International Business Lounge will not be fully upgraded until 2020 from what I understand renovations will be impatcting operations. Furthermore, 1PM-4PM is also a time where the lounge is the most busiest.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:36 am

JQ321 wrote:
getluv wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
If the AA/QF JV gets approved by DOT could we see AA and QF Launch Jetstar America?


No. The Jetstar name isn't big in the US.

Well by that theory no Jetstar brand should've been launched.
New Entry's names will never be well known. However, with a major U.S. company such as AA backing it might do well...


Actually Jetstar had a name domestically, hence why 3K was launched first because of the amount of flights QF had to SIN each day.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:36 am

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VH-YVA has exited the Flying Colours Aviation hangar in Townsville sporting Tiger Air livery. Air New Zealand A320 ZK-OJA has arrived and entered the hangar for a repaint.


ZK-OJA will be going in to be repainted either all-white or into an new operators colours - ZK-OJA-OJO are all getting replaced with NEO's


I wondered if this was case. The last NZ A320 that came through TSV left in an all white scheme, so I can only imagine this will be the case too. Time will tell.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:45 am

a19901213 wrote:
getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:

I don’t think QF are making lots of money on tourist/group pax even on HND route. Shifting these pax to NRT will give customers more flexibility and consolidate all resources in NRT.


This is really incorrect. SYD-HND is constantly full and QF does charge a premium to route to HND over NRT.

With the Olympics on next year, QF will probably look to open up SYD-NRT but it would probably be a complementary/seasonal service.


What I’m saying is even though the flight is constantly full(I fly on this route a lot), margin at the back of the plane is not ideal. They often have to do intensive sales during low season, plus the economic of 744 makes its margin even worse.

QF does make lots of money on business/premium travellers but they also carry lots of low yield pax on this route. (Japanese school excursion most likely uses QF)

If they have 77W they can just switch to it and problem solved but since they don’t have it the best strategy I can think of is to downsize(optimise)HND to 789 and focus on premium traveller which increases the yield and let NRT takeover all the low yield passenger.

Just my little thought, I have no idea what QF is gonna do in the future.


Airfares on SYD-HND may have been historically higher in low seasons, however you need to keep in mind that QF's operations are nearly 300% bigger than what they were a few years ago before BNE/MEL/KIX were launched. So operations to Japan are more about volume and keep in mind QF's cost base is now lower.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:03 pm

getluv wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
getluv wrote:

No. The Jetstar name isn't big in the US.

Well by that theory no Jetstar brand should've been launched.
New Entry's names will never be well known. However, with a major U.S. company such as AA backing it might do well...


Actually Jetstar had a name domestically, hence why 3K was launched first because of the amount of flights QF had to SIN each day.

But back in 2003 it wasn't a well known name therefore, by your theory it shouldn't have be launched.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:56 pm

getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:
getluv wrote:

This is really incorrect. SYD-HND is constantly full and QF does charge a premium to route to HND over NRT.

With the Olympics on next year, QF will probably look to open up SYD-NRT but it would probably be a complementary/seasonal service.


What I’m saying is even though the flight is constantly full(I fly on this route a lot), margin at the back of the plane is not ideal. They often have to do intensive sales during low season, plus the economic of 744 makes its margin even worse.

QF does make lots of money on business/premium travellers but they also carry lots of low yield pax on this route. (Japanese school excursion most likely uses QF)

If they have 77W they can just switch to it and problem solved but since they don’t have it the best strategy I can think of is to downsize(optimise)HND to 789 and focus on premium traveller which increases the yield and let NRT takeover all the low yield passenger.

Just my little thought, I have no idea what QF is gonna do in the future.


Airfares on SYD-HND may have been historically higher in low seasons, however you need to keep in mind that QF's operations are nearly 300% bigger than what they were a few years ago before BNE/MEL/KIX were launched. So operations to Japan are more about volume and keep in mind QF's cost base is now lower.


You still haven't got what I meant.

QF's 744 are going regardless how they do in HND. And you can't deny the fact that they carry low yield passengers at the back of the plane.
Again I never SAID these passengers don't make money so QF should ditch them but QF eventually has to make the choice of either giving these passengers away at all or shifting them to NRT to compensate the loss capacity in HND.

I'm aware they opened up several more routes to Japan in recent years but it really has nothing to do with the issue speaking here.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:00 pm

a19901213 wrote:
getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:

What I’m saying is even though the flight is constantly full(I fly on this route a lot), margin at the back of the plane is not ideal. They often have to do intensive sales during low season, plus the economic of 744 makes its margin even worse.

QF does make lots of money on business/premium travellers but they also carry lots of low yield pax on this route. (Japanese school excursion most likely uses QF)

If they have 77W they can just switch to it and problem solved but since they don’t have it the best strategy I can think of is to downsize(optimise)HND to 789 and focus on premium traveller which increases the yield and let NRT takeover all the low yield passenger.

Just my little thought, I have no idea what QF is gonna do in the future.


Airfares on SYD-HND may have been historically higher in low seasons, however you need to keep in mind that QF's operations are nearly 300% bigger than what they were a few years ago before BNE/MEL/KIX were launched. So operations to Japan are more about volume and keep in mind QF's cost base is now lower.


You still haven't got what I meant.

QF's 744 are going regardless how they do in HND. And you can't deny the fact that they carry low yield passengers at the back of the plane.
Again I never SAID these passengers don't make money so QF should ditch them but QF eventually has to make the choice of either giving these passengers away at all or shifting them to NRT to compensate the loss capacity in HND.

I'm aware they opened up several more routes to Japan in recent years but it really has nothing to do with the issue speaking here.


Your original post made assumptions about financial metrics which no one but QF accountants would have an idea about - hence why I'm providing my own assumptions based on some evidence we see. Low season will always be there and there will always be sale fares during this period, the question is whether QF make enough money/profit to offset these lower fares. Given the expansion into Japan in recent years I would see suggest those people at the back of the plane are making money and that handful of sale fares offered in low season are sustainable for continued daily operations. Further to this, you have to also consider that airfares across the board are lower, this isn't just a Japan specific issue.

With regards to QF operating both SYD-NRT and SYD- HND, I doubt this will happen. The split operation will complicate things for passengers who don't see they're flying into one airport and out of another. Further to this, the 747 will be replaced by an A333 as I doubt with the current flight timings QF would want a new aircraft sitting on the ground for 18 hours. I personally think they will just add capacity to SYD-KIX.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:10 pm

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Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.


Interesting. Id always assumed that there was a fee payable by the marketing airline to the lounge operator whenever a pax used the lounge - is this not the case?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:13 pm

getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:
getluv wrote:

Airfares on SYD-HND may have been historically higher in low seasons, however you need to keep in mind that QF's operations are nearly 300% bigger than what they were a few years ago before BNE/MEL/KIX were launched. So operations to Japan are more about volume and keep in mind QF's cost base is now lower.


You still haven't got what I meant.

QF's 744 are going regardless how they do in HND. And you can't deny the fact that they carry low yield passengers at the back of the plane.
Again I never SAID these passengers don't make money so QF should ditch them but QF eventually has to make the choice of either giving these passengers away at all or shifting them to NRT to compensate the loss capacity in HND.

I'm aware they opened up several more routes to Japan in recent years but it really has nothing to do with the issue speaking here.


Your original post made assumptions about financial metrics which no one but QF accountants would have an idea about - hence why I'm providing my own assumptions based on some evidence we see. Low season will always be there and there will always be sale fares during this period, the question is whether QF make enough money/profit to offset these lower fares. Given the expansion into Japan in recent years I would see suggest those people at the back of the plane are making money and that handful of sale fares offered in low season are sustainable for continued daily operations. Further to this, you have to also consider that airfares across the board are lower, this isn't just a Japan specific issue.

With regards to QF operating both SYD-NRT and SYD- HND, I doubt this will happen. The split operation will complicate things for passengers who don't see they're flying into one airport and out of another. Further to this, the 747 will be replaced by an A333 as I doubt with the current flight timings QF would want a new aircraft sitting on the ground for 18 hours. I personally think they will just add capacity to SYD-KIX.


A380 SYD-HND anyone?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:38 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
getluv wrote:
a19901213 wrote:

You still haven't got what I meant.

QF's 744 are going regardless how they do in HND. And you can't deny the fact that they carry low yield passengers at the back of the plane.
Again I never SAID these passengers don't make money so QF should ditch them but QF eventually has to make the choice of either giving these passengers away at all or shifting them to NRT to compensate the loss capacity in HND.

I'm aware they opened up several more routes to Japan in recent years but it really has nothing to do with the issue speaking here.


Your original post made assumptions about financial metrics which no one but QF accountants would have an idea about - hence why I'm providing my own assumptions based on some evidence we see. Low season will always be there and there will always be sale fares during this period, the question is whether QF make enough money/profit to offset these lower fares. Given the expansion into Japan in recent years I would see suggest those people at the back of the plane are making money and that handful of sale fares offered in low season are sustainable for continued daily operations. Further to this, you have to also consider that airfares across the board are lower, this isn't just a Japan specific issue.

With regards to QF operating both SYD-NRT and SYD- HND, I doubt this will happen. The split operation will complicate things for passengers who don't see they're flying into one airport and out of another. Further to this, the 747 will be replaced by an A333 as I doubt with the current flight timings QF would want a new aircraft sitting on the ground for 18 hours. I personally think they will just add capacity to SYD-KIX.


A380 SYD-HND anyone?


As was mentioned earlier (but not that much earlier) in the thread, A380s cannot operate to/from HND. Even ANA will use its A380s from NRT only. As an aside (albeit an important one), there isn't much (any?) availability in the A380 fleet to go putting them on a new route, especially one that involves a layover in the order of 16 hours...
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:43 pm

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Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.


Interesting. Id always assumed that there was a fee payable by the marketing airline to the lounge operator whenever a pax used the lounge - is this not the case?


It's complicated. If the lounge is contracted then there is some sort of payment, either fee per entry or a flat fee, but if passengers opt to enter of their own volition using reciprocal One World (or Star Alliance or SkyTeam) rights then no. That is simply part of the cost of being in an alliance.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:26 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.


Interesting. Id always assumed that there was a fee payable by the marketing airline to the lounge operator whenever a pax used the lounge - is this not the case?


It's complicated. If the lounge is contracted then there is some sort of payment, either fee per entry or a flat fee, but if passengers opt to enter of their own volition using reciprocal One World (or Star Alliance or SkyTeam) rights then no. That is simply part of the cost of being in an alliance.


Just on the subject of Sydney lounges, did China Southern change lounge when they left SkyTeam or are they still using it?


Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, SWZ is going to be named after Nancy Bird-Walton
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:32 am

CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:44 am

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, SWZ is going to be named after Nancy Bird-Walton


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Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:49 am

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CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.


...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:59 am

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CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.


...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.


Can QF sign JV with CZ given their JV with CX? If so, these bois can take down a significant chunk of Australian markets. Though... why would I suggest that CX is NOT 100% hostile towards CZ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:31 am

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tullamarine wrote:
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CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.


...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.


Can QF sign JV with CZ given their JV with CX? If so, these bois can take down a significant chunk of Australian markets. Though... why would I suggest that CX is NOT 100% hostile towards CZ?

It's not a JV with CX; it is an attempt for codeshare on some services and even that may fail to get regulatory approval. There is no chance of a JV ever being in place between CX and Q on competition grounds. Any attempt to co-ordinate schedules or fares without JSA immunity would lead to multi-million dollar fines
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:32 am

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Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.


Interesting. Id always assumed that there was a fee payable by the marketing airline to the lounge operator whenever a pax used the lounge - is this not the case?


It's complicated. If the lounge is contracted then there is some sort of payment, either fee per entry or a flat fee, but if passengers opt to enter of their own volition using reciprocal One World (or Star Alliance or SkyTeam) rights then no. That is simply part of the cost of being in an alliance.


Seems a bit surprising in some ways. A small carrier joining the majors suddenly gets a lot of free lounge access. I wonder what the alliance corridor talk is about this.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:34 am

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Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, SWZ is going to be named after Nancy Bird-Walton


A perfect combination for QF then, to bring in OQA for a promotional event.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:05 am

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Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, SWZ is going to be named after Nancy Bird-Walton


A perfect combination for QF then, to bring in OQA for a promotional event.

..except QF hasn't yet committed to SWZ with any sort of enthusiasm. VA has committed, QF is a definite maybe when it comes to mainline services.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:22 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, SWZ is going to be named after Nancy Bird-Walton


A perfect combination for QF then, to bring in OQA for a promotional event.

..except QF hasn't yet committed to SWZ with any sort of enthusiasm. VA has committed, QF is a definite maybe when it comes to mainline services.


QF have made countless statements in support of SWZ. Have a google.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:38 am

B1168 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.


...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.


Can QF sign JV with CZ given their JV with CX? If so, these bois can take down a significant chunk of Australian markets. Though... why would I suggest that CX is NOT 100% hostile towards CZ?


As said there is no JV with CX, and almost certainly never will be. They are struggling to even get a codeshare approved.

QF do have a JV with MU.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:38 am

December 2018 BITRE Figures are available. https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1812.pdf

I know it's still early, but VA's New Zealand load factors are really poor compared to the rest of the competition.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:41 am

SWZ will have have many full service airlines, including Qantas, Virgin Australia, Air New Zealand (Although LCC on trans tasman), Singapore and Emirates at the start or near the beginning of operations.

As the airport is still in the Sydney metropolitan area (~35kms from SYD), it's ability to offer curfew free flying will encourage airlines to have late night flights that airports such as Melbourne are able to offer. I expect that the 11pm to 12am time to be very busy for SWZ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:43 am

This figures could confirm VA's HKG routes are doing quite well:

Capacity to Hong Kong in December = 275 x 2 x 31 = 17050 seats

Inbound = 12760 (75% Loading)
Outbound = 15370 (90% Loading)

It seems it has also picked up lots of freight, so even the cabin is not full, VA is full in its belly.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:53 am

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This figures could confirm VA's HKG routes are doing quite well:

Capacity to Hong Kong in December = 275 x 2 x 31 = 17050 seats

Inbound = 12760 (75% Loading)
Outbound = 15370 (90% Loading)

It seems it has also picked up lots of freight, so even the cabin is not full, VA is full in its belly.


VA doubled capacity but their freight only increased by 19% compared to Dec 2017.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:44 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
B1168 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:

...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.


Can QF sign JV with CZ given their JV with CX? If so, these bois can take down a significant chunk of Australian markets. Though... why would I suggest that CX is NOT 100% hostile towards CZ?


As said there is no JV with CX, and almost certainly never will be. They are struggling to even get a codeshare approved.

QF do have a JV with MU.


Hmmm... I thought (which often is wrong, feel free to point out) Skyteam members would walk closer to VA than QF. But I thought they once claimed that their best ally must be in the Pearl River Delta. That game, combined with SQ,EK,EY,QR,MH,..., is just getting messier and messier.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:59 am

getluv wrote:
CityRail wrote:
This figures could confirm VA's HKG routes are doing quite well:

Capacity to Hong Kong in December = 275 x 2 x 31 = 17050 seats

Inbound = 12760 (75% Loading)
Outbound = 15370 (90% Loading)

It seems it has also picked up lots of freight, so even the cabin is not full, VA is full in its belly.


VA doubled capacity but their freight only increased by 19% compared to Dec 2017.


What's your point? It is still an improvement and there is only so much freight an aircraft can take.

Additionally I see that VA's LF to the US was better than that of QF's

LF for PER-LHR (just those travelling between PER and LHR) outbound 68%, inbound 78%, including MEL outbound 88%, inbound 93.6%

Sounds like what I have heard about PER-LHR, some seats are being blocked outbound
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:01 am

tullamarine wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
CZ are still using the SkyTeam lounge as they haven't left yet. They aren't expected to leave until October.


...but you get the impression it isn't a friendly divorce. All Skyteam airlines typically have the Skyteam logo at the end of their own logo block. CZ no longer does this and doesn't seem to mention Skyteam at all on their website and just refers to other Skyteam members as partner airlines.


and to that point, the Skyteam website doesn't list CZ either.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:25 am

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SWZ will have have many full service airlines, including Qantas, Virgin Australia, Air New Zealand (Although LCC on trans tasman), Singapore and Emirates at the start or near the beginning of operations.

As the airport is still in the Sydney metropolitan area (~35kms from SYD), it's ability to offer curfew free flying will encourage airlines to have late night flights that airports such as Melbourne are able to offer. I expect that the 11pm to 12am time to be very busy for SWZ


Will it be included in bi-laterals? If not, I could see Qatar moving their DOH-SYD-CBR flight to a DOH-SWZ-DOH. And yeah, Emirates and Singapore are likely. And probably the usual LCC's; AirAsiaX, Scoot.

Qantas will at least service MEL from day 1 IMO, and most likely BRI also.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:28 am

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Hmmm... I thought (which often is wrong, feel free to point out) Skyteam members would walk closer to VA than QF. But I thought they once claimed that their best ally must be in the Pearl River Delta. That game, combined with SQ,EK,EY,QR,MH,..., is just getting messier and messier.

QF and MU's relationship started back when MU was heavily rumoured to be joining Oneworld. In fact MU still maintains TWO current JVs with OW members (the other one is JL) and maintained several relationships with several other OW members over the years, the most recently continued one being CX.

Although QF does codeshare with CZ I doubt they'll JV anytime soon; for where QF serves within China MU is more likely to be a better partner.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:50 am

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Interesting given that BA customers are still entitled to enter the Qantas lounges under One World rules. It's almost a middle finger to QF who must continue to accept BA customers but will no longer be paid in return.


QF will still be paid for accepting BA passengers, all partner airlines are charged an access fee which I’ve heard is around $40-$50 per pax. However they will get fewer BA pax because many won’t realize they still can visit the QF lounge, and The House is way better than the QF Int J Lounge anyway.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:54 am

qf789 wrote:
getluv wrote:
CityRail wrote:
This figures could confirm VA's HKG routes are doing quite well:

Capacity to Hong Kong in December = 275 x 2 x 31 = 17050 seats

Inbound = 12760 (75% Loading)
Outbound = 15370 (90% Loading)

It seems it has also picked up lots of freight, so even the cabin is not full, VA is full in its belly.


VA doubled capacity but their freight only increased by 19% compared to Dec 2017.


What's your point? It is still an improvement and there is only so much freight an aircraft can take.

Additionally I see that VA's LF to the US was better than that of QF's

LF for PER-LHR (just those travelling between PER and LHR) outbound 68%, inbound 78%, including MEL outbound 88%, inbound 93.6%

Sounds like what I have heard about PER-LHR, some seats are being blocked outbound


My point is that Freight clearly wasn't a highlight and its belly isn't full. What's your point?

The contrast between QF/VA on LFs between AUS-USA and everywhere else they compete is chalk and cheese. Especially when you consider, QF had 747s to HNL, A380s on QF17/18 and additional capacity on BNE-LAX.
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