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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:52 am

Dear Esteemed Customer,

The Great Move is beginning! We would like to kindly remind you that as of April 6th, 2019, 14:00, all our flights planned for Ataturk Airport (IST) will be conducted from our new home, Istanbul Airport (IST). Have a nice flight!

Email just received from TK, I'm flying in on the 17th so hopefully most of the teething problems will be smoothed out a bit. What's the transportation like from the new airport into central Istanbul? I purposely spent more on a flight to Ataturk over SAW for better transport links.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:47 pm

Anybody who may have a more solid and conclusive idea, on the following issue?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1379061&p=21194503#p21194503
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:26 pm

Per IATA, Istanbul moves up to 11th spot of the largest metro areas for passenger traffic.

Here is their top 20 list for 2018.

1. London United Kingdom 177,276,807
2. New York United States 138,758,808
3. Tokyo Japan 130,589,705
4. Shanghai China 117,636,331
5. Los Angeles United States 109,825,171
6. Paris France 109,003,265
7. Beijing China 107,496,290
8. Atlanta United States 107,394,029
9. Chicago United States 105,990,422
10. Bangkok Thailand 104,137,071
11. Istanbul Turkey 102,251,600
12. Dubai United Arab Emirates 102,096,884
13. Moscow Russia 97,391,973
14. Seoul South Korea 92,953,372
15. Miami United States 87,521,625
16. San Francisco United States 85,706,856
17. Dallas United States 85,341,758
18. Hong Kong China 74,517,402
19. São Paulo Brazil 74,065,783
20. Jakarta Indonesia 72,522,164
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:55 am

I noticed many aircraft are grounded and out of operation at IST for 7+ days. Mainly TC-JOA has me concerned. Someone I know was on on its last operating flight from Amsterdam 7 days ago and it never logged its arrival to ISt on Flight Radar so I was quite worried when I couldnt track the flight. I hope they dont have serious issues.I would imagine that the fleet capacity is very restricted now that Max arent operating and the 340 are sold.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:16 pm

Are the figures for Dubai including AUH, SHJ and DWC or only DXB and DWC?
London metro is quite astonishing, but I assume that it also goes as far as Southend airport?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:59 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Per IATA, Istanbul moves up to 11th spot of the largest metro areas for passenger traffic.


Thank you for the information. Maybe I am too old, but I remember Istanbul 25+ years ago when the IST domestic terminal was the entire airport and there was no SAW.

Amazing how fast Istanbul has grown. Quite probable it will grow even higher on the list in the coming years once the slot restrictions which have hampered TK growth at IST are less of an issue.

stylo777 wrote:
Are the figures for Dubai including AUH, SHJ and DWC or only DXB and DWC?


It cant include AUH as the total would be far higher. DXB was 89mil in 2018, while AUH about ~25mil, so total would exceed the 102mil on IATA list.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:16 pm

mercure1 wrote:

It cant include AUH as the total would be far higher. DXB was 89mil in 2018, while AUH about ~25mil, so total would exceed the 102mil on IATA list.

thanks... I just checked, it probably includes only DXB (89mil), DWC (0.9mil) and SHJ (12mil).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:33 pm

Here is another first; TK switched the equipment on my IST-JFK flight without notification: There are 3 flights that day (TK3, TK1, TK11) It used to be 333, 77W, 77W; in that order. And I always choose the 77W, since it is 1/2 hour or so shorter Westbound compared to 333.
Now it says, 333, (Jet-Varies), 333. Not sure where all the 77Ws are going?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:59 pm

TK787 wrote:
Here is another first; TK switched the equipment on my IST-JFK flight without notification: There are 3 flights that day (TK3, TK1, TK11) It used to be 333, 77W, 77W; in that order. And I always choose the 77W, since it is 1/2 hour or so shorter Westbound compared to 333.
Now it says, 333, (Jet-Varies), 333. Not sure where all the 77Ws are going?


So they are reducing capacity on the route or for just that one flight?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:08 pm

Well, never seen this before; less than 2 weeks out. All 3 flights could be 333s, according to this. I caught it just in time to get an aisle seat. I would have been really upset to find out 24 hrs before flight, during online checkin.
I looked at few dates and all show 333, jet-varies, 333. :(
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:14 pm

TK787 wrote:
Well, never seen this before; less than 2 weeks out. All 3 flights could be 333s, according to this. I caught it just in time to get an aisle seat. I would have been really upset to find out 24 hrs before flight, during online checkin.
I looked at few dates and all show 333, jet-varies, 333. :(


Interesting, I wonder if EK's non-stop flight from Athens affected their JFK flights. I know they used to get a lot of feed from there.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:39 pm

Blerg wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Well, never seen this before; less than 2 weeks out. All 3 flights could be 333s, according to this. I caught it just in time to get an aisle seat. I would have been really upset to find out 24 hrs before flight, during online checkin.
I looked at few dates and all show 333, jet-varies, 333. :(


Interesting, I wonder if EK's non-stop flight from Athens affected their JFK flights. I know they used to get a lot of feed from there.

I doubt that it is downgrade. This could be due to the "BIG MOVE" and keeping the pax numbers lower, rather than cancelling flights.
It all goes back to 333, 77W, 77W by the end of May.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:18 am

New Izmir route for TK.
Tel Aviv planned 4x weekly effective May 29th on A320. This in addition to the 10 daily Istanbul-TLV services planned for this summer, and also 5x weekly seasonal Antalya-TLV which starts March 31st. Both ADB and AYT services are inbound Israeli tourist.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:01 am

LAXintl wrote:
New Izmir route for TK.
Tel Aviv planned 4x weekly effective May 29th on A320. This in addition to the 10 daily Istanbul-TLV services planned for this summer, and also 5x weekly seasonal Antalya-TLV which starts March 31st. Both ADB and AYT services are inbound Israeli tourist.


I was in TLV a few days ago. It was rather impressive to see all the TK aircraft lined up. There were more TK aircraft than LY aircraft at the time. (Right before the morning arrivals of LY.)

Fascinating considering how the bilateral relations between the two countries are really bad.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:26 am

Isn't TK the second busiest airlines in Israel right after LY?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:29 am

KK schedules A330 flights to western Europe, first destinations are STN and AMS.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... pril-2019/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:57 am

stylo777 wrote:
Are the figures for Dubai including AUH, SHJ and DWC or only DXB and DWC?
London metro is quite astonishing, but I assume that it also goes as far as Southend airport?


That's a good point. The Abu Dhabi / Dubai / Sharjah could qualify as a single mega city (DXB to SHJ is a very short distance), in which case the combined traffic could be in the tune of 132,000,000 passengers per anum (plus or minus)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:02 am

Does anybody know if TK has options for the A359/789, other than the firm orders they have placed for 25 aircraft each?

Saw that their A330 fleet consists of 55 aircraft, and currently it does not look like a 1:1 replacement plan.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:23 pm

ROT371 wrote:
Does anybody know if TK has options for the A359/789, other than the firm orders they have placed for 25 aircraft each?

Saw that their A330 fleet consists of 55 aircraft, and currently it does not look like a 1:1 replacement plan.


No options, but TK will be ordering another batch of WB aircraft.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:01 pm

ROT371 wrote:
Does anybody know if TK has options for the A359/789, other than the firm orders they have placed for 25 aircraft each?

Saw that their A330 fleet consists of 55 aircraft, and currently it does not look like a 1:1 replacement plan.

IIRC, both orders are 25+5 options. And historically TK always exercises those options. So, I would put the order 30 789s and 30 359s.
787/350 order is mainly for frequency increase and expansion.
-TK 36 x 330-300 fleet's average age is around 5 yrs old and they are not going anywhere.
-10 x 332Fs are also very new.
-18 x 332s are oldest and first batch of 5 x 332s might leave the fleet first.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:11 pm

As far as one could judge, TK Teknik is doing a pretty good job maintaining aircraft. Just by looking at the skills of incorporating non-custom built leased (or for that matter purchased) aircraft they must have built-up a broad knowledge and knowhow base. Therefore, I don't see the 332s leaving the fleet in near future. Just my thoughts based on guesses :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:23 pm

stylo777 wrote:
As far as one could judge, TK Teknik is doing a pretty good job maintaining aircraft. Just by looking at the skills of incorporating non-custom built leased (or for that matter purchased) aircraft they must have built-up a broad knowledge and knowhow base. Therefore, I don't see the 332s leaving the fleet in near future. Just my thoughts based on guesses :)

I am talking about the first batch -JNA to -JNE, they are around 13 years old. If any, they will be the ones to leave.
Besides those 5, rest of the 332s are all under 10 years old.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:59 pm

According to this interview of Ilker Ayci with CNN Turk, TK is going to focus on the matter of SYD/MEL routes after the summer. He mentioned that the current fleet does not have the capacity to go there but the A350-1000 and 77X does. So I guess they are weighing their options between the 2 aircrafts for these routes. I hope they go for the 777X eventually.

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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:42 pm

A332 fleet is very interesting:
Except 5 owned fleet (jna-jne), all our leased and as per original contracts, they will start to leave 2020 onward, so there is possibility of replacing them by new and standard frames
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:43 pm

ist2014 wrote:
A332 fleet is very interesting:
Except 5 owned fleet (jna-jne), all our leased and as per original contracts, they will start to leave 2020 onward, so there is possibility of replacing them by new and standard frames

According to planespotters.net ex-Jet Airways TC-JIL - JIN are also owned since 2016.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:55 pm

If it is the case, i wonder while TK keeps these 3 frames 220 seats configuration. Tk changed configuration of tam birds to 279 seats
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:39 pm

Pegasus Airlines to start Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen to Manchester 5 times weekly from 1 July 2019

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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:40 pm

Anybody has any info about the Pegasus launching Ankara Baku in March. They were supposed to start daily service by now but the flights do not seem to operate. Is there a problem with the bilateral?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:13 am

ist2014 wrote:
If it is the case, i wonder while TK keeps these 3 frames 220 seats configuration. Tk changed configuration of tam birds to 279 seats


Yes, the first impression you get from planespotters.net's comments is that TK has entirely purchased these 3 frames from the Indian airline (some time during 2016). This can be done in two ways: Either TK paid the money to Jet AW (in the less likely case that Jet AW owned the said frames) or TK made an arrangement with the financial leasing party of these frames and transferred Jetway's all obligations to TK side. But, I still very much doubt that any of these actually happened. These three frames have a very unusual cabin configuration like 30C (and as 1-1-1 layout; a rather spacious and comfy one but most probably only with 165 degree recliners, not full flat beds...) and 190Y (in the usual 2-4-2 layout). Which is kind of waste on behalf of the economy cabin's capacity. They are not true ER versions; I guess there's no cabin crew rest compartment belowdecks, neither a special rest cubicle for the cockpit crew behind the cockpit. So, these are good only for "regional" flights within Europe, up to Middle Africa and Middle East... If TK had really purchased these, they wouldn't hesitate to re-configure the cabin and make something similar to TC-LNA/LNB. (Look what they have done to the eight AerCap leased ex-TAM birds...)

From my earlier knowledge, I have the info that these 3 birds will go back to Jet AW (or whoever) during 2020-early 2021.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:23 am

mafaky wrote:
They are not true ER versions; I guess there's no cabin crew rest compartment belowdecks, neither a special rest cubicle for the cockpit crew behind the cockpit. So, these are good only for "regional" flights within Europe, up to Middle Africa and Middle East...

Correct, no crew rests on those. Even though they are almost identical to the JNA-JNE; in terms of MTOW, type of engine and such,.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:20 am

I saw jil-jin flying to Seycheles @ summer time, so for me it means that there was not good passanger load due to220 pax capacity
Is 7-8 hours ok without crew rest area
 
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Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:20 am

ist2014 wrote:
I saw jil-jin flying to Seycheles @ summer time, so for me it means that there was not good passanger load due to220 pax capacity
Is 7-8 hours ok without crew rest area


I think 8 hrs. is the max. limit, for the cockpit crew if not for all... So for longer distances, they have at least 3 pilots and somehow share the flight hours. But if there's a single set of crew (in cockpit and in the cabin...) that crew stays on ground and a new set of crew flies the plane bak. Or, the same crew rests on ground (possibly) for minimum 8, maybe 12 hrs. and then can fly back...
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm

There are rumours that %49 of TK will be sold to the Qatar Airways on the web. I find these unrealistic since here is no mention so far but wanted to write as it went up again.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:03 am

TK787 wrote:
Here is another first; TK switched the equipment on my IST-JFK flight without notification: There are 3 flights that day (TK3, TK1, TK11) It used to be 333, 77W, 77W; in that order. And I always choose the 77W, since it is 1/2 hour or so shorter Westbound compared to 333.
Now it says, 333, (Jet-Varies), 333. Not sure where all the 77Ws are going?


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... djustment/

Apparently, TK11/12 will be flown by A333 instead of B77W during April and May. There are 2 daily JFK flights during the winter, so it is not a downgauge overall. The extra flight added is A330 instead of B777, for a while.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:29 am

mafaky wrote:
From my earlier knowledge, I have the info that these 3 birds will go back to Jet AW (or whoever) during 2020-early 2021.


:checkmark: Correct. They scheduled for return in 2020.

Zesta wrote:
There are rumours that %49 of TK will be sold to the Qatar Airways on the web. I find these unrealistic since here is no mention so far but wanted to write as it went up again.


Dismissed per official TK statement:

"News reports about the sale of Turkish Airlines which surface from time to time have no basis in reality. We wish to respectfully inform the public that we reserve our legal rights about these baseless speculations," THY's Senior Vice President of Media Relations Yahya Üstün said.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:50 am

But has the current government has any say on the ownership of TK? Can they sell TK if they want to or not? A very credible Turkish politician from the opposition party made a statement that the current goverment will sell TK in the future, since TK is in the "varlik fonu" and they've already sold basically everything there is to sell.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:58 am

HeyTK wrote:
But has the current government has any say on the ownership of TK? Can they sell TK if they want to or not? A very credible Turkish politician from the opposition party made a statement that the current goverment will sell TK in the future, since TK is in the "varlik fonu" and they've already sold basically everything there is to sell.


With the local elections this month, I wouldn't believe anything a politician says, from the opposition or the governing party. They all have too much to gain from a little publicity right now.

Also I've seen those headlines, they say 49% ownership will be sold for 10.5B USD to QR. I am no financial expert but that figure seems too low. TK surely is worth a lot more. Even only the assets (fleet, equipment etc) are probably worth more than that.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:36 am

I guess it's worth mentioning that yesterday was IndiGo's first DEL-IST flight. Personally I think this is a major development as it finally allows TK and IST to be competitive in India the same way EK or QR are.
6E has already placed its codes on TK flights to destinations such as Brussels, Athens, Tel Aviv and Budapest. I guess they are waiting for other countries to approve codes to their airports.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:54 am

I don't know if it's been previously reported but all TK MAX aircraft have been moved to ISL. Probably they are good as gate test aircraft as any.
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:05 pm

I was checking ktm flights at fr24 and found out thay non ER 332s such as jir or jiz performed flight last week, considering that they do not have it crew rest area how it is possible, btw flight time is around 9-10 hours, does they have range for it and if tes what about crew rest area?
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:48 pm

ist2014 wrote:
I was checking ktm flights at fr24 and found out thay non ER 332s such as jir or jiz performed flight last week, considering that they do not have it crew rest area how it is possible, btw flight time is around 9-10 hours, does they have range for it and if tes what about crew rest area?


Maybe they block some seats on it. JU's A330 doesn't have crew rest so that's what they do.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:42 am

IST was the world's 17th busiest airport in 2018, it fell by two spots (15th in 2017) after it was overtaken by ICN and DEL. Will be interesting to see the numbers once the move to the new airport is finalized.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:50 am

I'm pretty sure the move-effect in terms of yearly passenger figures will only be reflected positively from 2020 onwards. Once everything is settled and operations stable, TK and others will be able to concentrate on expansion (more destinations, bigger aircraft, etc.). I explicitly mentioned others as KK and 8Q have also a considerable contribution to the overall result; plus add to that potential aircraft type upgauges such as QR and EK switching to A380. Interesting times ahead!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Have EK or QR announced the introduction of the A380 once the new airport opens or is it speculation? I would not be surprised about EK but QR...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:13 pm

I Just landed at the new YDA Dalaman terminal for the first time. Brand new, partly unfinished, mostly empty. I haven’t seen the departures hall yet but arrivals is mostly concrete surfaces and nothing else, very utilitarian.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:35 am

Blerg wrote:
Have EK or QR announced the introduction of the A380 once the new airport opens or is it speculation? I would not be surprised about EK but QR...


Indeed there are such speculations. I guess, both QR & EK will manage several "show-off" flights with 380, but then all will become routine again. If any of these two (or both) will establish daily 380 frequencies, TK's Far/South East Asia O & D capacity will severely be hampered!... :? :banghead:
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:41 am

Not sure about QR regular A380 service but I'm sure EK will find some free A380 to send IST regularly.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:42 pm

> Onur Air turns East with new service to Kuwait effective 04 June 2019 - 6x weekly on A330 for summer, reducing to 2-3x weekly for winter.

> Also the last TK passenger flight from IST has been announced - its TK54 to Singapore departing at 0155.

> Lastly, if anyone is interested there will be two industry expos hosted by IGA taking place 18-20June which will feature airport and technology vendors along with many foreign airline executive participants. Will be a good opportunity to showcase the new facility.

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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:23 pm

TC-LSE, TK's 5th A321neo has been delivered to TK. It'll be operating at IST for less than two weeks!

Fun fact: TC-LSB and TC-LSC are TK's only A320 (A321neo) aircraft that have a registration ending with a B or C and sharklets!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:36 pm

How many more A321N will TK receive in the future?

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