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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:03 pm
by anshabhi
SVJ77W wrote:
Air India to begin domestic operations from Kannur from April 2019

Air India will begin operations from Kannur (CNN) in Kerala in April 2019 with the flight starting from Delhi to Kannur to Calicut and back. This will be the first time Air India will begin operations from CNN.

Rotation is as follows -

DEL-CNN-CCJ-CNN-DEL
Frequency - 5 Weekly | 2.3.5.6.7
Aircraft type - Airbus A320 NEO

Bookings are currently possible only through Travel portals online such as yatra.com or akbartravels.com among others.

As of noon today, the National Airline is yet to add Kannur on to their website for bookings 4 days after bookings began through above online travel portals.

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kannur-delhi-flight-service-5-days-a-week-1.3630184

Air India's first International operation from Kannur (CNN) is expected to be JED-CNN-JED with an Airbus A320 NEO effective May 2019. More on this later.

Sad state of affairs.
AI seems unable to add a new destination to its website while 3rd party travel agents have begun selling tickets.....
With 9W cancelling ixe-del every other day, this flight is a welcome for the entire region.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:03 pm
by unrave
Ethiopian Airlines has confirmed that four Indians have died in the crash

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:10 pm
by bostrv
SVJ77W wrote:
Air India to begin domestic operations from Kannur from April 2019

Air India will begin operations from Kannur (CNN) in Kerala in April 2019 with the flight starting from Delhi to Kannur to Calicut and back. This will be the first time Air India will begin operations from CNN.

Rotation is as follows -

DEL-CNN-CCJ-CNN-DEL
Frequency - 5 Weekly | 2.3.5.6.7
Aircraft type - Airbus A320 NEO

Bookings are currently possible only through Travel portals online such as yatra.com or akbartravels.com among others.

As of noon today, the National Airline is yet to add Kannur on to their website for bookings 4 days after bookings began through above online travel portals.

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kannur-delhi-flight-service-5-days-a-week-1.3630184

Air India's first International operation from Kannur (CNN) is expected to be JED-CNN-JED with an Airbus A320 NEO effective May 2019. More on this later.


With the distance between CCJ and CNN being short, wouldnt a DEL-CNN-CCJ-DEL be cheaper to operate for AI?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:10 am
by unrave
DGCA will put out a statement regarding 737 MAX in the afternoon

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:47 am
by avier
unrave wrote:
DGCA will put out a statement regarding 737 MAX in the afternoon


Any harsh directive regarding the MAX will affect only one airline in the country, and that airline is neither in a great financial condition. Hope they are considerate of that.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:54 am
by EmoticonsAllDay
avier wrote:
unrave wrote:
DGCA will put out a statement regarding 737 MAX in the afternoon


Any harsh directive regarding the MAX will affect only one airline in the country, and that airline is neither in a great financial condition. Hope they are considerate of that.


If Jet goes down the drain, so be it. Why would DGCA compromise saftey over some private airline with foreign investors?

I'm assuming any decisions made wouldn't significantly affect SG as their MAX fleet is just 12 till date.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:02 am
by avier
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
avier wrote:
unrave wrote:
DGCA will put out a statement regarding 737 MAX in the afternoon


Any harsh directive regarding the MAX will affect only one airline in the country, and that airline is neither in a great financial condition. Hope they are considerate of that.


If Jet goes down the drain, so be it. Why would DGCA compromise saftey over some private airline with foreign investors?

I'm assuming any decisions made wouldn't significantly affect SG as their MAX fleet is just 12 till date.


I was talking of SG only, as 9W isn't flying any of their MAX's since a while, as they are grounded. So any directive to stop flying that model wouldn't affect them as they already aren't.

And SG has a sizeable MAX fleet when seeing in proportion to it's fleet size. 12 for an American or Chinese carrier or 200+ fleet airline may be small.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:06 am
by VTCIE
avier wrote:
binayak wrote:
Well congratulations IndiGo !

A review by a blogger on 2 Indian LCCs . (6E and SG )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q1cwbAIxXU

6:49 and 6:54 really made me scared ! :o



I dislike SG the most amongst the Indian carriers. Find them very unprofessional as an airline, and little things do count like highlighted by the blogger in the last few glimpses of the video.
Maybe it's got to do with not having many expats in the airlines management, so a lot of the Indian mentality reflects in the airline like it does even at AI.


I can’t comment on whether SG is good or not, but I find 6E to be excellent for what it offers. For what it’s worth, SG is the only Indian LCC that has Wi-Fi (upcoming), streaming IFE and hot meals across all its aircraft, something that 6E and G8 cannot claim for even a single aircraft.

From an American perspective, 6E/G8 are Spirit while SG is Southwest; from a European perspective, 6E/G8 are easyJet while SG is Norwegian. In other words, 6E and G8 are true ULCCs; SG has a few premium offerings. (I have compared 6E and G8 to A320 operators, and SG to 737 operators.) In its defence, SG introduces little innovations in its onboard product that the others will not dare to, not even on a DEL-IST flight. But I can certainly agree with the vlogger that SG is most definitely NOT the epitome of LCC perfection; whatever little 6E does, it does absolutely properly (and with dollops of tongue-in-cheek humour on the side in its ads and inflight magazines). I cannot comment about G8 as I have never flown it. Perhaps you people will be the better judge as to whether GoAir is as good as 6E or not.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:16 am
by sand26391
ROUTES ONLINE Interview: Fast-growing Bengaluru ready for next chapter

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... t-chapter/

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:20 am
by VTCIE
sand26391 wrote:
ROUTES ONLINE Interview: Fast-growing Bengaluru ready for next chapter

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... t-chapter/


I continue to maintain that HYD is a golden opportunity missed despite its being privatised. Now MAA will never get anywhere even if it were to be privatised. But HYD had the same dreams and ambitions as BLR, and not even to see HYD in the reckoning for international expansion is highly disconcerting for Hyderabad. Despite it having far more domestic passengers than MAA, it will be an uphill task for HYD to dislodge MAA from the fourth spot in the overall tally, let alone reach 25m annual passengers (BLR is steadily on course for 30m).

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:08 am
by sand26391
^^BLR has crossed 32 mppa in CY2018 & is expected to hit ~33.5 million pax in FY18-19

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:11 am
by SVJ77W
bostrv wrote:
SVJ77W wrote:
Air India to begin domestic operations from Kannur from April 2019

Air India will begin operations from Kannur (CNN) in Kerala in April 2019 with the flight starting from Delhi to Kannur to Calicut and back. This will be the first time Air India will begin operations from CNN.

Rotation is as follows -

DEL-CNN-CCJ-CNN-DEL
Frequency - 5 Weekly | 2.3.5.6.7
Aircraft type - Airbus A320 NEO

Bookings are currently possible only through Travel portals online such as yatra.com or akbartravels.com among others.

As of noon today, the National Airline is yet to add Kannur on to their website for bookings 4 days after bookings began through above online travel portals.


With the distance between CCJ and CNN being short, wouldnt a DEL-CNN-CCJ-DEL be cheaper to operate for AI?


I wondered the same at first. These 2 things come in mind:

1) Air India will refuel at CNN to take advantage of the 1% Air Turbine Fuel rebate the airport has for domestic flights for the next 10 years. So a direct from CNN makes sense on the journey back to DEL.

2) They would have thought to have a flight between the 2 cities, as many would prefer flying between the two airports as it is less stressful vs the road & rail which can take 2.5 to 4-5 hrs depending on traffic (Trains usually 2.5/3 hrs, if they come on time and no. of stops). I have done both for years and can tell it is stressful as the roads can take its toll on the body and mind. The flight would not be more than 15 mins IMO.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:28 am
by anshabhi
SVJ77W wrote:
bostrv wrote:
SVJ77W wrote:
Air India to begin domestic operations from Kannur from April 2019

Air India will begin operations from Kannur (CNN) in Kerala in April 2019 with the flight starting from Delhi to Kannur to Calicut and back. This will be the first time Air India will begin operations from CNN.

Rotation is as follows -

DEL-CNN-CCJ-CNN-DEL
Frequency - 5 Weekly | 2.3.5.6.7
Aircraft type - Airbus A320 NEO

Bookings are currently possible only through Travel portals online such as yatra.com or akbartravels.com among others.

As of noon today, the National Airline is yet to add Kannur on to their website for bookings 4 days after bookings began through above online travel portals.


With the distance between CCJ and CNN being short, wouldnt a DEL-CNN-CCJ-DEL be cheaper to operate for AI?


I wondered the same at first. These 2 things come in mind:

1) Air India will refuel at CNN to take advantage of the 1% Air Turbine Fuel rebate the airport has for domestic flights for the next 10 years. So a direct from CNN makes sense on the journey back to DEL.

2) They would have thought to have a flight between the 2 cities, as many would prefer flying between the two airports as it is less stressful vs the road & rail which can take 2.5 to 4-5 hrs depending on traffic (Trains usually 2.5/3 hrs, if they come on time and no. of stops). I have done both for years and can tell it is stressful as the roads can take its toll on the body and mind. The flight would not be more than 15 mins IMO.


I generally prefer complete round trips rather than one way hops in any direction.

At 90 KMs, would CNN-CCJ be India's shortest domestic flight? Flight would also take atleast 2 hours if you include the time for security+ getting on and off from aircraft ... I don't see much logic behind such a small flight

Kudos for thinking about the fuel subsidy factor :thumbsup:

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:06 pm
by sibibom
Behind SpiceJet's sterling turnaround: overworked pilots and repeated violations of flight-safety norms

IndiGo, India's largest airline, was forced to cancel dozens of flights up to March-end when overworked pilots headed for the exit door. But its rival budget carrier SpiceJet, says it hasn't cancelled a single flight due to pilot shortage. The company’s chairman, Ajay Singh, paints a rosy picture as the once-struggling airline has "added a record 13 aircraft to its fleet in one month alone, witnessed 92% occupancy on its flights for 45 months, and posted a profit in 17 of the last 18 quarters".

But numbers often narrate only half the story. ET Prime’s aviation editor, Tarun Shukla, carried out an in-depth investigation to find out the truth. Based on interviews with over half a dozen officials, internal letters within SpiceJet, and DGCA documents, he brings to light an aviation nightmare.

In clear violation of rules, SpiceJet has been making its pilots fly over and above the prescribed duty hours. Its flight-operation processes are worrisome, and its air-safety department may be working under tremendous pressure.

source : https://prime.economictimes.indiatimes. ... fety-norms

Sadly behind a paywall

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:23 pm
by dtw2hyd
sibibom wrote:
In clear violation of rules, SpiceJet has been making its pilots fly over and above the prescribed duty hours. Its flight-operation processes are worrisome, and its air-safety department may be working under tremendous pressure.


Singh is a Modi's devotee, rules don't apply. In Davos with CNBC, Singh's main wish was a complete majority to one party. For an airline CEO, that is a weird wish. As someone posted, after all, it is ModiLuft. The brand will be protected.

This MAX thing is a major headache now.

Reading between lines from various news reports, most Indian pilots are going to Vietnam, with its latest huge order pilots will leave at a faster rate.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:47 pm
by unrave
dtw2hyd wrote:

Singh is a Modi's devotee, rules don't apply. In Davos with CNBC, Singh's main wish was a complete majority to one party. For an airline CEO, that is a weird wish. As someone posted, after all, it is ModiLuft. The brand will be protected.

This MAX thing is a major headache now.

Reading between lines from various news reports, most Indian pilots are going to Vietnam, with its latest huge order pilots will leave at a faster rate.

Just like rules did not apply for UPA Member of Parliament Vijay Mallya and the D company's benami Naresh Goyal

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:31 pm
by edealinfo
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
avier wrote:
unrave wrote:
DGCA will put out a statement regarding 737 MAX in the afternoon


Any harsh directive regarding the MAX will affect only one airline in the country, and that airline is neither in a great financial condition. Hope they are considerate of that.


If Jet goes down the drain, so be it. Why would DGCA compromise saftey over some private airline with foreign investors?

I'm assuming any decisions made wouldn't significantly affect SG as their MAX fleet is just 12 till date.

The person was referring to SpiceJet. Anyway, good to know that your non biased position is to pull the rug on the swadeshi SpiceJet

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:58 pm
by avier
Vistara to fly New Delhi- Bagdogra- Dibrugarh

Starting from April 3, Dibrugarh will be the 24th destination in the country and second in Assam after Guwahati for the airline.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:17 pm
by trinidadeG
anshabhi wrote:
At 90 KMs, would CNN-CCJ be India's shortest domestic flight? Flight would also take atleast 2 hours if you include the time for security+ getting on and off from aircraft ... I don't see much logic behind such a small flight
Agree.
The rationale for operating this short sector seems even poorer when one considers that the Government itself recently awarded DEL-CCJ to IndiGo as part of UDAN III (Tourism route). With 6E competing with a non-stop, AI is less likely to get takers even for DEL-CCJ via CNN.

I'm wondering if AI is trying to offer CCJ pax access to its international hub at DEL?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:57 pm
by trinidadeG
DGCA rules out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India

After reviewing the matter regarding safety issues post accident of Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopian Airline, the Director General of Civil Aviation today, ruled out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India. Currently, SpiceJet has 12 and Jet AirwaysNSE 1.71 % has 5 Boeing 737 Max 8 planes.

However, the aviation watchdog has ordered additional compliance actions for all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. As an additional safety measure, the DGCA also said that only pilots with 1,000 hours of experience can fly Boeing 737 Max aircraft used by Indian airlines. The new norms will come into effect from March 12.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 362666.cms

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:23 pm
by lightsaber
trinidadeG wrote:
DGCA rules out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India

After reviewing the matter regarding safety issues post accident of Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopian Airline, the Director General of Civil Aviation today, ruled out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India. Currently, SpiceJet has 12 and Jet AirwaysNSE 1.71 % has 5 Boeing 737 Max 8 planes.

However, the aviation watchdog has ordered additional compliance actions for all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. As an additional safety measure, the DGCA also said that only pilots with 1,000 hours of experience can fly Boeing 737 Max aircraft used by Indian airlines. The new norms will come into effect from March 12.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 362666.cms

1,000 hours... So almost an ATP? :duck:

Actually, sensible rules.

What are the compliance actions?

Lightsaber

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:24 pm
by unnayan
Indigo starts daily IXD-BOM rotation from 20 April... 2nd 6E flight out of IXD

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:31 pm
by dtw2hyd
Just to clarify, DGCA mandates MAX PIC with 1000 hrs and FO with 500 hrs on NG.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:58 pm
by unrave
unnayan wrote:
Indigo starts daily IXD-BOM rotation from 20 April... 2nd 6E flight out of IXD

Any idea what rotation out of BOM that they're swapping this with?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:40 pm
by avier
unrave wrote:
unnayan wrote:
Indigo starts daily IXD-BOM rotation from 20 April... 2nd 6E flight out of IXD

Any idea what rotation out of BOM that they're swapping this with?


BOM-COK seems like.

SG too dropped one frequency on the same sector for one of their newer flights out of BOM.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:57 pm
by avier
^ 6E will also fly non-stop Mumbai-Dehradun from Summer '19.

This slot also come by dropping a BOM-COK leg it seems. So from x4 daily, they're down to X2 daily on this route . In total, this sector has lost x3 daily flights from this summer when including SG.

Also a nice way to bully the cash starved airline on the DED route where they enjoyed a good monopoly for a long time. Have flown 9W couple of times on this route, with always full flights.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:36 am
by VTCIE
avier wrote:
Vistara to fly New Delhi- Bagdogra- Dibrugarh

Starting from April 3, Dibrugarh will be the 24th destination in the country and second in Assam after Guwahati for the airline.


DEL-GAU-DIB might have been a better routing than DEL-IXB-DIB. Moreover, why DIB rather than IXS/IMF? Or, for that matter, JAI?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:56 am
by unnayan
VTCIE wrote:
avier wrote:
Vistara to fly New Delhi- Bagdogra- Dibrugarh

Starting from April 3, Dibrugarh will be the 24th destination in the country and second in Assam after Guwahati for the airline.


DEL-GAU-DIB might have been a better routing than DEL-IXB-DIB. Moreover, why DIB rather than IXS/IMF? Or, for that matter, JAI?


DIB is the centre of Tea plantation in Assam and IXB caters to tea estates of Darjeeling.. maybe to handle the traffic between these two centres.. which was not connected till now. DIB also caters to a lot of OIL traffic to Delhi.

SG flies DIB -GAU along with a lot of trains and luxury buses as well.
I am sure they must have done some due diligence.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:43 am
by pune
can somebody figure out https://prime.economictimes.indiatimes. ... with-roads came on today's prime economic times. It's behind a paywall so can't make much sense. Any help would be nice.

Another thing, does anybody know or have info. on the Vistara fleet, what do they have most, Boeings or Airbus or some turboprop. Also which models ?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:40 am
by pune
also can somebody look and tell https://twitter.com/Nidhi/status/1105318876068364288

From twitter -

DGCA wants pilots with 1000 hours of experience to fly 737 MAX. FYI - the Ethiopian pilot had 8000 hours of flying experience; the Lion Air pilot had over 5,000 hours and his co pilot also had 5,000. @sureshpprabhu


- Nidhi Rajdan, Journalist, NDTV.com

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:22 am
by binayak
pune wrote:

Another thing, does anybody know or have info. on the Vistara fleet, what do they have most, Boeings or Airbus or some turboprop. Also which models ?


Current 13 a320 , 9 a320neo
Orders 15 A321LR, 6 B787-9

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:34 am
by anshabhi
pune wrote:
also can somebody look and tell https://twitter.com/Nidhi/status/1105318876068364288

From twitter -

DGCA wants pilots with 1000 hours of experience to fly 737 MAX. FYI - the Ethiopian pilot had 8000 hours of flying experience; the Lion Air pilot had over 5,000 hours and his co pilot also had 5,000. @sureshpprabhu


- Nidhi Rajdan, Journalist, NDTV.com


Avherald.com says FO had 200 hours experience. Why do you follow NDTV at all..?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:38 am
by Blerg
Philippines Airlines closes bookings for MNL-DEL starting from April.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... pril-2019/

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:49 pm
by pune
anshabhi wrote:
pune wrote:
also can somebody look and tell https://twitter.com/Nidhi/status/1105318876068364288

From twitter -

DGCA wants pilots with 1000 hours of experience to fly 737 MAX. FYI - the Ethiopian pilot had 8000 hours of flying experience; the Lion Air pilot had over 5,000 hours and his co pilot also had 5,000. @sureshpprabhu


- Nidhi Rajdan, Journalist, NDTV.com


Avherald.com says FO had 200 hours experience. Why do you follow NDTV at all..?


According to http://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a&opt=0

In a subsequent press conference on Mar 10th 2019 Ethiopian Airlines reported the crew reported difficulties and requested a return to Addis Ababa. The captain was with Ethiopian Airlines for 9 years and had about 8000 hours of flight experience, a first officer with 200 flight hours assisted, there were 35 nationalities amongst the 149 passengers. The crash site appears to be consistent with a steep dive, the aircraft is right inside the ground. The aircraft had undergone last "rigorous first check maintenance" on Feb 4th 2019. The aircraft had last operated to and from Johannesburg (South Africa) arriving back in Addis Ababa in the morning of Mar 10th 2019 before departing for the accident flight.


So it seems both NDTV and you are both right. The captian had about 800 hours of flight experience, although it has not been specified that with what type of Aircraft he had the experience., the FO had lesser experience but it is the captain's responsibility more than the FO as he is the senior and has more flight experience.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:04 pm
by edealinfo
trinidadeG wrote:
DGCA rules out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India

After reviewing the matter regarding safety issues post accident of Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopian Airline, the Director General of Civil Aviation today, ruled out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India. Currently, SpiceJet has 12 and Jet AirwaysNSE 1.71 % has 5 Boeing 737 Max 8 planes.

However, the aviation watchdog has ordered additional compliance actions for all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. As an additional safety measure, the DGCA also said that only pilots with 1,000 hours of experience can fly Boeing 737 Max aircraft used by Indian airlines. The new norms will come into effect from March 12.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 362666.cms

India uses an 6th grade logic for applying flight rules. The Ethiopian captain had 800 hrs, so India raises the minimum to 1,000. India has to show they are doing something even though the steps taken are rudimentary. There is no evidence to prove if the Ethiopian captain had 1000 hours, he would have averted the crash. Heck, at this point, there is no evidence to even prove it was pilot error

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:08 pm
by blrsea
edealinfo wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
DGCA rules out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India

After reviewing the matter regarding safety issues post accident of Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopian Airline, the Director General of Civil Aviation today, ruled out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India. Currently, SpiceJet has 12 and Jet AirwaysNSE 1.71 % has 5 Boeing 737 Max 8 planes.

However, the aviation watchdog has ordered additional compliance actions for all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. As an additional safety measure, the DGCA also said that only pilots with 1,000 hours of experience can fly Boeing 737 Max aircraft used by Indian airlines. The new norms will come into effect from March 12.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 362666.cms

India uses an 6th grade logic for applying flight rules. The Ethiopian captain had 800 hrs, so India raises the minimum to 1,000. India has to show they are doing something even though the steps taken are rudimentary. There is no evidence to prove if the Ethiopian captain had 1000 hours, he would have averted the crash. Heck, at this point, there is no evidence to even prove it was pilot error


er, Ethiopian captain had 8000 hours NOT 800 hours.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:09 pm
by binayak
edealinfo wrote:
India uses an 6th grade logic for applying flight rules. The Ethiopian captain had 800 hrs, so India raises the minimum to 1,000. India has to show they are doing something even though the steps taken are rudimentary. There is no evidence to prove if the Ethiopian captain had 1000 hours, he would have averted the crash. Heck, at this point, there is no evidence to even prove it was pilot error
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No logic is required if a private airline owner has you on his speed dial . It was decided case to case . (Old dialogue you know!)
And how did I forget , the same airline has been given a safety rating of 3/7 by airlineratings .

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:55 pm
by dtw2hyd
I think Prabhu is pushing his luck with MAX, hope there is no Hey Prabhu event.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:11 pm
by maint123
Are these max planes plying on domestic or international routes.? With so many countries closing their airspace to max, only domestic flights would be possible. Wonder how the economics would pan out if they were in international routes.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:21 pm
by anshabhi
maint123 wrote:
Are these max planes plying on domestic or international routes.? With so many countries closing their airspace to max, only domestic flights would be possible. Wonder how the economics would pan out if they were in international routes.

SG flies then to HKG on DEL-HKG. Can't do any other international destination as they are not ETOPS certified

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:53 pm
by pune
edealinfo wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
DGCA rules out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India

After reviewing the matter regarding safety issues post accident of Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopian Airline, the Director General of Civil Aviation today, ruled out grounding of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in India. Currently, SpiceJet has 12 and Jet AirwaysNSE 1.71 % has 5 Boeing 737 Max 8 planes.

However, the aviation watchdog has ordered additional compliance actions for all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes. As an additional safety measure, the DGCA also said that only pilots with 1,000 hours of experience can fly Boeing 737 Max aircraft used by Indian airlines. The new norms will come into effect from March 12.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 362666.cms

India uses an 6th grade logic for applying flight rules. The Ethiopian captain had 800 hrs, so India raises the minimum to 1,000. India has to show they are doing something even though the steps taken are rudimentary. There is no evidence to prove if the Ethiopian captain had 1000 hours, he would have averted the crash. Heck, at this point, there is no evidence to even prove it was pilot error


Actually it was 8000 as shared in the link itself (while writing I wrote 800 hours, my mistake ) but yeah the Indian aviation regulation has said 1000 hrs. I don't really understand though the knee-jerk reaction. What they should have they done is probably ask the planes to be on hold, ask for more info. IIRC sometime back wasn't it the 737 Max plane only which had problems, they had a new procedure which wasn't documented in the training manuals. Apparently the procedure was counter-intuitive to what the pilots knew before-hand, this was some months ago. Unless we have more info. I guess we would all be in dark as to what actually happened. Whatever data the blackbox shows should be in public domain, but dunno if that would be possible or not.

I am guessing most of the forums in civil aviation would also have evinced in this, maybe we should put all the discussions on the 737 Max plane and Ethopia in a common area where everybody can share the info. Just a thought.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:21 pm
by dtw2hyd
pune wrote:
What they should have they done is probably ask the planes to be on hold, ask for more info.


They cannot do that causing financial hardship to a Bhakth owned airline.

This is a new territory where non-prime CAAs took lead in grounding/banning against the wishes of top-notch certifying CAAs like FAA, EASA, and JCAB.

Indian DGCA will not do anything against the FAA.

Almost 50% fleet is already grounded and airspace ban in widening. Southwest, American Airlines and Air Canada are the only three large operators left.

There may be a point Air Koryo will be able to fly more places than MAX.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:25 pm
by pune
just reading this thread, as I suspected there is already a thread which has lot of inputs. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1417519&start=1550

Maybe we could put our concerns therein thereby not duplicating the efforts others are putting therein as well. Point taken though about

dtw2hyd wrote:
They cannot do that causing financial hardship to a Bhakth owned airline

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:33 pm
by anshabhi
Big news !!

Vistara gets permission to fly international. Colombo to be first destination

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 916_1.html

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:15 pm
by trinidadeG
Indian DGCA decides to ground the Boeing 737MAX.


https://twitter.com/MoCA_GoI/status/1105527436345860101

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:20 pm
by binayak
anshabhi wrote:
Big news !!

Vistara gets permission to fly international. Colombo to be first destination

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 916_1.html


And now just wait for the "bully" to announce DEL-CMB !

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:34 pm
by EmoticonsAllDay
binayak wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Big news !!

Vistara gets permission to fly international. Colombo to be first destination

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 916_1.html


And now just wait for the "bully" to announce DEL-CMB !


They should try to evade the "big bully" by flying long haul. Their premium offerings can lure AI and 9W traffic when they start flying to EU and NA.

I'm also waiting for the day they will announce codeshares with SQ to the ASEAN destinations.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:35 pm
by trinidadeG
binayak wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Big news !!

Vistara gets permission to fly international. Colombo to be first destination

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 916_1.html


And now just wait for the "bully" to announce DEL-CMB !

Not that it will faze UK much. UK isn't launching the route to serve the category of fliers who have come to love the bully. It's part of a larger, soon to unfold, international network, IMO.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:39 pm
by EmoticonsAllDay
trinidadeG wrote:
Indian DGCA decides to ground the Boeing 737MAX.


https://twitter.com/MoCA_GoI/status/1105527436345860101


Is it just grounding of the Indian registered MAX or banishing all the MAX from the Indian airspace like CAA did to the British airspace?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:48 pm
by anshabhi
trinidadeG wrote:
Indian DGCA decides to ground the Boeing 737MAX.


https://twitter.com/MoCA_GoI/status/1105527436345860101


Back to back awesome decisions from DGCA !!

What will happen to SG's DEL-HKG? They don't have any other aircraft which can possibly do this route

EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
Indian DGCA decides to ground the Boeing 737MAX.


https://twitter.com/MoCA_GoI/status/1105527436345860101


Is it just grounding of the Indian registered MAX or banishing all the MAX from the Indian airspace like CAA did to the British airspace?


Not a lot of MAX cross Indian airspace as it's not a long haul aircraft.