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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:31 am

binayak wrote:
Blerg wrote:
And as IndiGo announced more flights to IST, TK adds a widebody to MAN. I guess the UK is the market both airlines aim to serve.

Has indigo codeshared on TK's flights?
If that's so then how will they compete with existing non LHR India-UK non stops? You already have ATQ/DEL- BHX on AI . And suppose after restructuring , 9W adds a MAN- DEL?


Assuming 9W emerges from their current predicament, I’d hope to see at least a daily service on BOM-MAN and DEL-MAN which should facilitate good (and improving) connection opportunities to the east coast USA.

Hopefully these will expand if the venture proves to be a success.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:16 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
binayak wrote:
Blerg wrote:
And as IndiGo announced more flights to IST, TK adds a widebody to MAN. I guess the UK is the market both airlines aim to serve.

Has indigo codeshared on TK's flights?
If that's so then how will they compete with existing non LHR India-UK non stops? You already have ATQ/DEL- BHX on AI . And suppose after restructuring , 9W adds a MAN- DEL?


Assuming 9W emerges from their current predicament, I’d hope to see at least a daily service on BOM-MAN and DEL-MAN which should facilitate good (and improving) connection opportunities to the east coast USA.

Hopefully these will expand if the venture proves to be a success.


You do understand that Indian’s that transit thought uk on the way to the US, require a UK visa. It is not worth the hassle
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:21 am

India increases seats to Saudi Arabia by 40 percent effective April 1, 2019 because Saudi supported India against Pakistan at the recent meeting of Islamic States. This is despite the fact that Indian entitlements to Saudi have yet to breach 80 percent of existing seats.

Bottom line: to get an increase in seats, countries have to support India in the India- Pakistan stalemate. This is the only way that countries such as Turkey can expect to get an increase in entitlement to fly to more cities in India
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:27 am

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India increases seats to Saudi Arabia by 40 percent effective April 1, 2019 because Saudi supported India against Pakistan at the recent meeting of Islamic States.

Do you have a source for this?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:45 am

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They did not need a placeholder as it is not like Vistara, Air India, Jet, Go and AirAsia were in any position to start India - Istanbul and steal the route from under their nose.
My thinking is that there is strong advance booking otherwise it would be highly risky to start a second flight with just 20 days before it commenced.

Perhaps the Indian tourist is tired of visiting the same ole places such as Thailand, Malaysia and the UAE.....and Turkey, with all its tourist sites is far more appealing especially for tour operators who can put together an interesting package of sites to visit within Turkey


Apart from seeing Turkey, or maybe even having free or subsidised short visits to the city on a layover, it would be cool if TK visa becomes easy or/and cheap . I am sure lot of people woule start to roll if there are cheaper options via TK to Europe than today for sure. Would be interesting to see how this whole things pans out.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:26 am

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You do understand that Indian’s that transit thought uk on the way to the US, require a UK visa. It is not worth the hassle

Not quite. The transit visa is needed while traveling from the US to India only if your current/valid US visa is not stamped in your Passport. A person traveling from India to the US would always have a visa stamped in their PP. In short an approved I-797 is no longer sufficient.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:29 am

unrave wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
India increases seats to Saudi Arabia by 40 percent effective April 1, 2019 because Saudi supported India against Pakistan at the recent meeting of Islamic States.

Do you have a source for this?


In rare concession, India to hike Saudi flying rights by 40%
Saudi Arabia is set to become the biggest and only beneficiary of India’s tightly managed foreign flying rights regime with the Centre giving the oil-rich nation a 40% hike in quota from April 1


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s&from=mdr
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:48 am

unrave wrote:
Blerg wrote:

I just saw on Amadeus that TK codes on 6E were added. IST-DEL-IST should be as follows:

...

These code-shares were not there earlier today. They were since added.

Have 6E codes on TK been added too?


From what I can see on IndiGo's website they only sell their own two flights so I guess TK doesn't have the approval yet. I am sure it will happen soon.I just checked TK's website and IndiGo's flights are already there, all are selling for €256 one-way. I guess they have also synchronized their pricing.

The 11.45 is still listed as sold out so I guess they are still waiting for that one to be approved. Interesting times ahead, that's for sure.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:57 am

edealinfo wrote:
India increases seats to Saudi Arabia by 40 percent effective April 1, 2019 because Saudi supported India against Pakistan at the recent meeting of Islamic States. This is despite the fact that Indian entitlements to Saudi have yet to breach 80 percent of existing seats.

Bottom line: to get an increase in seats, countries have to support India in the India- Pakistan stalemate. This is the only way that countries such as Turkey can expect to get an increase in entitlement to fly to more cities in India

As long as Saudia doesn't change its means drastically, to become simply a transit airline, I am fine with this.

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
You do understand that Indian’s that transit thought uk on the way to the US, require a UK visa. It is not worth the hassle

Not quite. The transit visa is needed while traveling from the US to India only if your current/valid US visa is not stamped in your Passport. A person traveling from India to the US would always have a visa stamped in their PP. In short an approved I-797 is no longer sufficient.

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Or if your layover is greater than 24 hours
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:14 am

edealinfo wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
binayak wrote:
Has indigo codeshared on TK's flights?
If that's so then how will they compete with existing non LHR India-UK non stops? You already have ATQ/DEL- BHX on AI . And suppose after restructuring , 9W adds a MAN- DEL?


Assuming 9W emerges from their current predicament, I’d hope to see at least a daily service on BOM-MAN and DEL-MAN which should facilitate good (and improving) connection opportunities to the east coast USA.

Hopefully these will expand if the venture proves to be a success.


You do understand that Indian’s that transit thought uk on the way to the US, require a UK visa. It is not worth the hassle


Yes, albeit some clearly feel it is worth whatever the paractical implications of that hassle actually are, particularly when ending up in a country (USA) that likely has tighter visa / entry requirements than the UK.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:47 am

Turkish Airlines to start codesharing with IndiGo from 20MAR19, including the latter's new Delhi – Istanbul route

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 45473?s=19
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:28 pm

All women crew to fly twelve major non-stop Air India flights tomorrow:
Delhi-San Francisco
Delhi-New York
Delhi-Washington
Delhi- Chicago
Delhi-Sydney
Delhi-Rome
Delhi-London
Delhi-Shanghai
Delhi-Paris
Mumbai-New York
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:29 pm

unrave wrote:
All women crew to fly twelve major non-stop Air India flights tomorrow:
Delhi-San Francisco
Delhi-New York
Delhi-Washington
Delhi- Chicago
Delhi-Sydney
Delhi-Rome
Delhi-London
Delhi-Shanghai
Delhi-Paris
Mumbai-New York

Some of them are not non stop these days :)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:14 pm

WORLDS FASTEST-GROWING AIRPORTS REVEALED.

BLR at 4th
LKO at 5th
HYD at 10th &
AMD at 11th
JAI at 17th

Image

LINK:- https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airports/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:18 pm

unrave wrote:
All women crew to fly twelve major non-stop Air India flights
Mumbai-New York


JFK or EWR?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:38 pm

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JFK or EWR?

No idea. It was reported by Tarun Shukla
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:56 pm

unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:

JFK or EWR?

No idea. It was reported by Tarun Shukla


AI Twitter says JFK and EWR. 40 domestic and 12 intl flights in total.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:12 pm

CPS001 wrote:
unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:

JFK or EWR?

No idea. It was reported by Tarun Shukla


AI Twitter says JFK and EWR. 40 domestic and 12 intl flights in total.

I guess the rest will be male crew only flights?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:14 pm

sand26391 wrote:
WORLDS FASTEST-GROWING AIRPORTS REVEALED.

BLR at 4th
LKO at 5th
HYD at 10th &
AMD at 11th
JAI at 17th

LINK:- https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airports/


Interesting, BLR is by far the largest of the lot in terms of absolute numbers. Also Da Nang seems to be listed twice (Vietnam and China ?? - typo in the list I assume but then what is the Chinese airport)
Numbers being left justified just makes it so much harder to read along with lack of commas in it.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:03 pm

StormRider wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
WORLDS FASTEST-GROWING AIRPORTS REVEALED.

BLR at 4th
LKO at 5th
HYD at 10th &
AMD at 11th
JAI at 17th

LINK:- https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airports/


Interesting, BLR is by far the largest of the lot in terms of absolute numbers. Also Da Nang seems to be listed twice (Vietnam and China ?? - typo in the list I assume but then what is the Chinese airport)
Numbers being left justified just makes it so much harder to read along with lack of commas in it.


Very impressive how quickly BLR is growing. It looks like they will pass the 40 million passenger mark in 2019. With BOM being capacity constrained, I wonder how long before BLR becomes the second busiest airport in India?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:13 pm

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Very impressive how quickly BLR is growing. It looks like they will pass the 40 million passenger mark in 2019. With BOM being capacity constrained, I wonder how long before BLR becomes the second busiest airport in India?

Yeah definitely on target to become the 2nd busiest. BOM cannot increase beyond a certain limit while BLR getting it's 2nd runway would be even huge boost to capacity overall..
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:41 am

Vijay Mallya’s private A319, VT-VJM, is being dismantled at BOM. https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... 295466.cms
In grieving remembrance of the thousands of people who lost their lives on ET-AVJ, PK-LQP, XA-UHZ, S2-AGU, CP-2933, SU-GCC, EI-ETJ, D-AIPX, PK-AXC, 9M-MRD, VT-AXV and above all 9M-MRO, besides many more. Your deaths are not in vain. Safety first, always.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:43 am

Turkish Airlines / IndiGo begins codeshare service from late-March 2019

Turkish Airlines operated by IndiGo
Delhi – Ahmedabad
Delhi – Amritsar
Delhi – Bangalore
Delhi – Chennai
Delhi – Hyderabad
Delhi – Istanbul
Delhi – Kolkata
Mumbai – Amritsar
Mumbai – Bangalore
Mumbai – Chennai
Mumbai – Hyderabad
Mumbai – Kolkata



https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2019/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:53 am

dtw2hyd wrote:

Turkish DGCA will never approve 6E codes on TK, once TK realizes 6E is dumping capacity and lowering prices on them. Indian DGCA will not approve any TK codes on 6E until 6E gives approval.

This statement hasn't aged well (though it is only two days old)
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:12 am

For Turkish, the major advantage is that with Indigo starting flights, entire capacity is exhausted in both directions and they can ask for enhancement. Earlier, no one was using Indian share and GoI used that as an excuse. Wonder if Turkey will get any increase in bilaterals. If so, they will just dump Indigo later on if required. Their recent support to pak hasn't gone down well. Have to see how things change post-election.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:29 am

Where are the 6E codes on TK to 20 European destinations?? .

Another [out of the box] theory, by starting 2X daily to IST, both sides are using 100%, hence BASA needs to be updated. Force GoI hands???

This looks like a Babu-on-Private-Payroll idea. Let's wait and see.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:40 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Where are the 6E codes on TK to 20 European destinations?? .

Another [out of the box] theory, by starting 2X daily to IST, both sides are using 100%, hence BASA needs to be updated. Force GoI hands???

This looks like a Babu-on-Private-Payroll idea. Let's wait and see.

Contrary to the claims of Indian DGCA will never approve TK codes on 6E, TK is indeed placing its codes on several 6E flights. We know that 6E places its codes on TK's DEL-IST. The other flights will be known soon enough.

Where will the naysayers hide then.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:04 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Where are the 6E codes on TK to 20 European destinations?? .

Another [out of the box] theory, by starting 2X daily to IST, both sides are using 100%, hence BASA needs to be updated. Force GoI hands???

This looks like a Babu-on-Private-Payroll idea. Let's wait and see.

How can one A320 and A321 equate multiple wide body services by TK to Delhi, mumbai, chennai and bangalore?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:11 pm

anshabhi wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Where are the 6E codes on TK to 20 European destinations?? .

Another [out of the box] theory, by starting 2X daily to IST, both sides are using 100%, hence BASA needs to be updated. Force GoI hands???

This looks like a Babu-on-Private-Payroll idea. Let's wait and see.

How can one A320 and A321 equate multiple wide body services by TK to Delhi, mumbai, chennai and bangalore?


If BASA specifies weekly flights, doesn't matter it is ATR72 or A388(unless other restrictions are specified).

What is the ultimate goal?
TK - Get more frequencies and stations in India
6E - Get codeshares to 20 European cities.

Both haven't been achieved, just going thru motions.

Not saying it will never happen. Why didn't someone tell Emirates that 1xReturned POW=14,000 seats/week
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:00 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:

If BASA specifies weekly flights, doesn't matter it is ATR72 or A388(unless other restrictions are specified).

What is the ultimate goal?
TK - Get more frequencies and stations in India
6E - Get codeshares to 20 European cities.

Both haven't been achieved, just going thru motions.

Not saying it will never happen. Why didn't someone tell Emirates that 1xReturned POW=14,000 seats/week

I see the goalposts have been shifted diametrically. The fact is both TK and 6E codeshare on eachother's flights now.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:21 pm

blrsea wrote:
For Turkish, the major advantage is that with Indigo starting flights, entire capacity is exhausted in both directions and they can ask for enhancement. Earlier, no one was using Indian share and GoI used that as an excuse. Wonder if Turkey will get any increase in bilaterals. If so, they will just dump Indigo later on if required. Their recent support to pak hasn't gone down well. Have to see how things change post-election.

This is a good and accurate assessment except relating to dumping of Indigo as that would be plain dumb because it won’t allow Turkish to recive more bilateral, on a longer term horizon, say 1 year or beyond.

I susoect that the Government could throw Turkish a bone for their code share with Indigo and allow them to operate 1 additional flight ......,.to Bangalore (since Indigo aircraft doesn’t have the legs for BLR-IST) but the govt would be be wise to convert a potential bilateral 3X to India frequency to “seats” which would mean that Indigo could use 6 of its narrow bodies as opposed to 3 wide bodies on the Turkish side.

however, an expansion of the Turkish bilateral will be difficult because of their government’s support of Pak which trumps all levels of decision making on the Indian government side.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:58 pm

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How can one A320 and A321 equate multiple wide body services by TK to Delhi, mumbai, chennai and bangalore?

India-Turkey bilaterals only allow 14 weekly services by either country.

Hence, TK only flies 7 weekly B777s to BOM and DEL each. Not multiple wide-bodies, not to Chennai and Bangalore.

6E flying 14 weekly A320/321s on DEL-IST results in 100% of the Indian side being used up.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:01 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Where are the 6E codes on TK to 20 European destinations?? .

Another [out of the box] theory, by starting 2X daily to IST, both sides are using 100%, hence BASA needs to be updated. Force GoI hands???

This looks like a Babu-on-Private-Payroll idea. Let's wait and see.

100% agree with your Babu on private payroll assessment. It’s almost childish - look we are using the bilateral. India gets nothing from Turkey - trade, support, oil. So I hope the GOI keeps the bilateral the same (or at the most shift to seats from flights).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:22 pm

VT-VJM is being dismantled at the Air India hanger in BOM. The US based company which bought the auctioned A319 requested AI to dismantle the aircraft and send them the parts as the aircraft was no longer airworthy.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:07 pm

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100% agree with your Babu on private payroll assessment. It’s almost childish - look we are using the bilateral. India gets nothing from Turkey - trade, support, oil. So I hope the GOI keeps the bilateral the same (or at the most shift to seats from flights).

In the present climate I seriously doubt if Turkey would be given even one additional frequency. In the last 5 years the only countries in the 5000km belt that have received additional entitlements are Oman and recently Saudi Arabia, both of whom have shown to be useful to India's interests. A country that openly sides with Pakistan has no hope of getting such favours - and rightfully so
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:04 pm

unrave wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
100% agree with your Babu on private payroll assessment. It’s almost childish - look we are using the bilateral. India gets nothing from Turkey - trade, support, oil. So I hope the GOI keeps the bilateral the same (or at the most shift to seats from flights).

In the present climate I seriously doubt if Turkey would be given even one additional frequency. In the last 5 years the only countries in the 5000km belt that have received additional entitlements are Oman and recently Saudi Arabia, both of whom have shown to be useful to India's interests. A country that openly sides with Pakistan has no hope of getting such favours - and rightfully so

1) In what way, specifically, have they sided with Pakistan?
2)Separately, isn’t opening the bilateral for an additional frequency, going to also directly benefit INDIGO?
3) on an unrelated note, are the document requirements for a Turkish visa tedious, and does the Turkish visa have a gazillion questions as does the Indian visa form. The Indian visa form deserves the top spot for a rambling list of useless questions. What will they use the responses for when anyone can type in any response they want with the Indian authorities have no ability to verify.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:20 pm

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1) In what way, specifically, have they sided with Pakistan?
2)Separately, isn’t opening the bilateral for an additional frequency, going to also directly benefit INDIGO?
3) on an unrelated note, are the document requirements for a Turkish visa tedious, and does the Turkish visa have a gazillion questions as does the Indian visa form. The Indian visa form deserves the top spot for a rambling list of useless questions. What will they use the responses for when anyone can type in any response they want with the Indian authorities have no ability to verify.


Turkey has sided with Pakistan on every major issue, starting from Kashmir. The map printed in Turkish Airline in-flight magazine marks the whole J&K as disputed territory. Which should say something about the stand which Turkey takes with their brethren

I have flown TK out of Mumbai several times and I can't remember if ever I has a co-passanger seat empty, even with the most absurd landing and take off timing onto and our of BOM if the final destination is to a secondary city in Europe the most preferred option is TK given to get connections from a European carrier through their hubs one would need to take 6 AM flight !

Given the ambition of current Turkish supremo and aviation featuring on his priority mandate it's quite likely GOI would use flying right to alienate Pakistan from it's all weather ally.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:32 am

BOMRPR wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
1) In what way, specifically, have they sided with Pakistan?
2)Separately, isn’t opening the bilateral for an additional frequency, going to also directly benefit INDIGO?
3) on an unrelated note, are the document requirements for a Turkish visa tedious, and does the Turkish visa have a gazillion questions as does the Indian visa form. The Indian visa form deserves the top spot for a rambling list of useless questions. What will they use the responses for when anyone can type in any response they want with the Indian authorities have no ability to verify.


Turkey has sided with Pakistan on every major issue, starting from Kashmir. The map printed in Turkish Airline in-flight magazine marks the whole J&K as disputed territory. Which should say something about the stand which Turkey takes with their brethren

I have flown TK out of Mumbai several times and I can't remember if ever I has a co-passanger seat empty, even with the most absurd landing and take off timing onto and our of BOM if the final destination is to a secondary city in Europe the most preferred option is TK given to get connections from a European carrier through their hubs one would need to take 6 AM flight !

Given the ambition of current Turkish supremo and aviation featuring on his priority mandate it's quite likely GOI would use flying right to alienate Pakistan from it's all weather ally.

It is not like they are saying Kashmir belongs to Pak. Their depiction of the map seems to be a NEUTRAL position as opposed to either favoring India or Pak.
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:37 am

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:41 am

edealinfo wrote:
BOMRPR wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
1) In what way, specifically, have they sided with Pakistan?
2)Separately, isn’t opening the bilateral for an additional frequency, going to also directly benefit INDIGO?
3) on an unrelated note, are the document requirements for a Turkish visa tedious, and does the Turkish visa have a gazillion questions as does the Indian visa form. The Indian visa form deserves the top spot for a rambling list of useless questions. What will they use the responses for when anyone can type in any response they want with the Indian authorities have no ability to verify.


Turkey has sided with Pakistan on every major issue, starting from Kashmir. The map printed in Turkish Airline in-flight magazine marks the whole J&K as disputed territory. Which should say something about the stand which Turkey takes with their brethren

I have flown TK out of Mumbai several times and I can't remember if ever I has a co-passanger seat empty, even with the most absurd landing and take off timing onto and our of BOM if the final destination is to a secondary city in Europe the most preferred option is TK given to get connections from a European carrier through their hubs one would need to take 6 AM flight !

Given the ambition of current Turkish supremo and aviation featuring on his priority mandate it's quite likely GOI would use flying right to alienate Pakistan from it's all weather ally.

It is not like they are saying Kashmir belongs to Pak. Their depiction of the map seems to be a NEUTRAL position as opposed to either favoring India or Pak.


Actually thats exactly what Turkey has been saying(just google). Their position is the same as Pakistan. Hell even China is more neutral compared to Turkey. And they have been like this for 70 years.
 
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Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:17 am

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He has gotten off easy, they should have kept him there.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:21 pm

Well congratulations IndiGo !

A review by a blogger on 2 Indian LCCs . (6E and SG )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q1cwbAIxXU

6:49 and 6:54 really made me scared ! :o
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:44 pm

binayak wrote:
Well congratulations IndiGo !

A review by a blogger on 2 Indian LCCs . (6E and SG )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q1cwbAIxXU

6:49 and 6:54 really made me scared ! :o



I dislike SG the most amongst the Indian carriers. Find them very unprofessional as an airline, and little things do count like highlighted by the blogger in the last few glimpses of the video.
Maybe it's got to do with not having many expats in the airlines management, so a lot of the Indian mentality reflects in the airline like it does even at AI.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:01 pm

binayak wrote:
Well congratulations IndiGo !

A review by a blogger on 2 Indian LCCs . (6E and SG )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q1cwbAIxXU

6:49 and 6:54 really made me scared ! :o

Sad that a foreign blogger is taking away the views and earnings that should belong to people/organisation based in India

Meanwhile, a 3rd Pakistani drone was shot down today near Rajasthan border
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:01 pm

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edealinfo wrote:
1) In what way, specifically, have they sided with Pakistan?
2)Separately, isn’t opening the bilateral for an additional frequency, going to also directly benefit INDIGO?
3) on an unrelated note, are the document requirements for a Turkish visa tedious, and does the Turkish visa have a gazillion questions as does the Indian visa form. The Indian visa form deserves the top spot for a rambling list of useless questions. What will they use the responses for when anyone can type in any response they want with the Indian authorities have no ability to verify.


Turkey has sided with Pakistan on every major issue, starting from Kashmir. The map printed in Turkish Airline in-flight magazine marks the whole J&K as disputed territory. Which should say something about the stand which Turkey takes with their brethren

I have flown TK out of Mumbai several times and I can't remember if ever I has a co-passanger seat empty, even with the most absurd landing and take off timing onto and our of BOM if the final destination is to a secondary city in Europe the most preferred option is TK given to get connections from a European carrier through their hubs one would need to take 6 AM flight !

Given the ambition of current Turkish supremo and aviation featuring on his priority mandate it's quite likely GOI would use flying right to alienate Pakistan from it's all weather ally.

It is not like they are saying Kashmir belongs to Pak. Their depiction of the map seems to be a NEUTRAL position as opposed to either favoring India or Pak.


I imagine they would go and print a separate Kurdistan in the same spirit.
Add the Armenian regions of Turkey.... OK, let’s stick to the bilaterals.
 
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Great to see likes of LKO, AMD and JAI.

The dismantling of license raj is certainly spreading the good fortune around. At this point both DEL and BOM May become irrelevant. About time.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:53 am

jet airways still facing tailwind issues -

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... r/1510341/

also https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 699_1.html (this one behind paywall, if anybody can unwind or give some more info. please share.)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:55 am

Air India to begin domestic operations from Kannur from April 2019

Air India will begin operations from Kannur (CNN) in Kerala in April 2019 with the flight starting from Delhi to Kannur to Calicut and back. This will be the first time Air India will begin operations from CNN.

Rotation is as follows -

DEL-CNN-CCJ-CNN-DEL
Frequency - 5 Weekly | 2.3.5.6.7
Aircraft type - Airbus A320 NEO

Bookings are currently possible only through Travel portals online such as yatra.com or akbartravels.com among others.

As of noon today, the National Airline is yet to add Kannur on to their website for bookings 4 days after bookings began through above online travel portals.

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kannur-delhi-flight-service-5-days-a-week-1.3630184

Air India's first International operation from Kannur (CNN) is expected to be JED-CNN-JED with an Airbus A320 NEO effective May 2019. More on this later.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2019

Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:43 am

pune wrote:
also https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 699_1.html (this one behind paywall, if anybody can unwind or give some more info. please share.)


Jet Airways’ rescue plan, which will be taken up for approval by the board of Etihad Airways on Monday, will see a major rejig in the promoters’ shareholding. According to the finalised resolution plan, Jet Founder and Chairman Naresh Goyal’s stake will come down to 17 per cent from the current 51 per cent, sources in the know said. As sought by Jet’s joint venture partner Etihad, Goyal will step down from the board.

Naresh Goyal to shed stake to 17% in Jet bailout plan; lenders to hold 30%
Etihad will own 24.9 per cent in Jet, marginally up from its 24 per cent stake now. The consortium of lenders, led by State Bank of India (SBI), will hold 30 per cent, while new investors — National Infrastructure Investment Fund — will pick up 20 per cent in the airline. Another 8 per cent shareholding will remain with public, it is learnt. It will possibly be a multi-part deal.

The resolution plan has undergone several changes in the past few months due to the lack of a consensus among the stakeholders. Although the Abu Dhabi-headquartered airline had earlier raised concerns about the structuring of the deal, a source close to the development told Business Standard that the Etihad board is likely to approve the latest plan as ‘’they have got virtually everything they wanted’’. Etihad is keen to take control of an airline in a vibrant market, the source added.

Naresh Goyal to shed stake to 17% in Jet bailout plan; lenders to hold 30% Goyal and Etihad, who have had a public spat recently on the contours of the draft resolution plan, have already signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) based on the recast deal, people close to the development pointed out.
When approached for comment, Etihad said on Saturday it continued to work constructively with Jet management, board and stakeholders. Jet Airways did not respond to the Business Standard query on the way forward. Continued investment in Jet is an attraction for Etihad as it gives the airline access to the fastest growing domestic market. The strategic ties between India and the UAE are also said to be a driver. But, the Etihad management has been grappling with its own challenges and restructuring its network and fleet order. “It is for Eithad board to decide whether it sees Jet as a viable investment which can give returns,” said an aviation source.

Etihad had turned cold about investing fresh capital in Jet Airways as the stock market regulator Sebi did not approve the open offer waiver exemption it sought. At the same time, Etihad does not want to let go of its investment, another source said.

Etihad, which embarked on an equity investment strategy in 2011 expanding its global presence, put in $349 million in Jet in 2013.

While then CEO James Hogan was upbeat on strategic investments for market expansion, the current management under chief executive Tony Douglas thinks differently. However, a greater say in operating Jet Airways and reduction of debt are among the factors which could drive Etihad's future investment, executives tracking the development pointed out.

If the plan is okayed by the Etihad board and subsequently by the lenders’ boards and regulatory authorities, Jet, with a debt pile of more than Rs 8,000 crore, would be saved from being dragged to the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Board of India (IBC). So close to the Lok Sabha election, the government does not want an airline going down. It is believed that the government has played a pro-active role in bailing out Jet Airways at a critical time as this.

Already, Jet has grounded 40 per cent of its fleet and cancelled hundreds of flights across routes. Its lessors have threatened to take away planes if no resolution is reached by end of the month. Jet is running out of cash and options, insiders said. As per the bank-led resolution plan, Jet needs Rs 8,500 crore to meet the funding gap. The immediate funding requirement is pegged between Rs 500-1,000 crore as the airline needs to pay lessors and staff salaries.
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