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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:30 pm

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London, in 18 months.


LON is the code they used, LHR is my guess ....

They no doubt want LHR, but probably don’t have slots lined up yet (since it is 18 months away), hence they are not specifying an airport.


I am thinking that as well, the one teaser for this shin dig, I was thinking of a computer screen with LH on it & R was lit up on the keyboard.
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:31 pm

I'm wondering if should have a counter on how many times people will say JetBlue will fail.
Congratulations to JetBlue, I wish the success on this routes to Europe.
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:33 pm

"It is going to feel like a private experience, flight on a private plane to London. On JetBlue. This is truly our next defining moment."
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:34 pm

What happened to Paris then? I presume the cake was fake.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:34 pm

London & Paris to start. Dublin, Manchester, Amsterdam, Brussels, Madrid to be added later based on A321neoLR!? GO JETBLUE! :)
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:35 pm

rlwynn wrote:
"It is going to feel like a private experience, flight on a private plane to London. On JetBlue. This is truly our next defining moment."


And private planes go to Stansted or Luton, not Heathrow or Gatwick!
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:35 pm

From Twitter that cake was not an official JetBlue cake.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:38 pm

Kind of a letdown that it won’t be until 2021... that’s almost two years from now. In that much time, NK could by flying to Hawaii...
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:39 pm

Wow. Jaw dropping.

I’m amazingly underwhelmed. WN to Hawaii was more exciting than this.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:39 pm

How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:40 pm

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And private planes go to Stansted or Luton, not Heathrow or Gatwick!


The fact they didn't mention Gatwick, Luton, Stansted means Heathrow is the goal.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:41 pm

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Kind of a letdown that it won’t be until 2021... that’s almost two years from now. In that much time, NK could by flying to Hawaii...

WN could technically preempt B6 and fly BOS/PVD-LON as well, not that I think they will, but having ETOPS Authorization gives them the ability.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:42 pm

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How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?


What would they do with the slots when they don't even have the airplane to operate such flights with?
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:44 pm

B747forever wrote:
santi319 wrote:
How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?


What would they do with the slots when they don't even have the airplane to operate such flights with?


Cool, that means someone in their management has a LOT of confidence.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:44 pm

I would be surprised to not see B6 order 10-12 B789s concurrent with this, for use to London, Paris, and also Tel Aviv, along with some transcon. From NYC, the UK, France, and Israel are all strong O&D markets.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:45 pm

2021? Nothing like giving the competition even more time to up their game and make it even more difficult for B6.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:45 pm

Also there's some missing links in Latin America high yield J markets that they haven't launched probably due to competition. They need to start with JFK-SJO, JFK-BOG, JFK-PTY and JFK-LIM which is missing from their network!
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:45 pm

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I would be surprised to not see B6 order 10-12 B789s concurrent with this, for use to London, Paris, and also Tel Aviv, along with some transcon. From NYC, the UK, France, and Israel are all strong O&D markets.

I wish you were correct, but I think you will end up surprised if that's your expectation.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:46 pm

x1234 wrote:
London & Paris to start. Dublin, Manchester, Amsterdam, Brussels, Madrid to be added later based on A321neoLR!? GO JETBLUE! :)

Wow, they really don't want to mess with Lufthansa. No Germany or Switzerland routes?
And all along we were led to believe the hard battles would be with DL and BA.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 pm

The 321 cannot fly that far.
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I'm wondering if should have a counter on how many times people will say JetBlue will fail.
Congratulations to JetBlue, I wish the success on this routes to Europe.


you can count me in.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 pm

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2021? Nothing like giving the competition even more time to up their game and make it even more difficult for B6.


This is the part that has me scratching my head as well. Was the idea to boost the stock price by telegraphing their strategy now, teasing a premium-heavy configuration?
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:49 pm

[quote=]Wow, they really don't want to mess with Lufthansa. No Germany or Switzerland routes.[/quote]

Looking at the map they provided it doesn't look like the A321LR has the range, Madrid looks a stretch
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:50 pm

B747forever wrote:
santi319 wrote:
How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?


What would they do with the slots when they don't even have the airplane to operate such flights with?


I think today is the real kick-off for the next evolution of the LHR slot fight. Starting today, they can accompany their legal approaches with "we've announced service to London in a move that will benefit consumers with more choice at lower prices, and you (whomever that may be) not giving us slots is preventing that from being the reality that it could be". Not that it will get them anywhere, but they'll try.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm

rlwynn wrote:
From Twitter that cake was not an official JetBlue cake.

We should have been clued in to this since it wasn't made using Terra Blues Potato Chips! :biggrin:
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm

Will they have more European destinations in 2021 when they launch London? Otherwise I don't even see the point announcing this early.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:56 pm

fcogafa wrote:
[quote=]Wow, they really don't want to mess with Lufthansa. No Germany or Switzerland routes.


Looking at the map they provided it doesn't look like the A321LR has the range, Madrid looks a stretch[/quote]

Madrid - NY is only 3100NM much like Paris and Amsterdam
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:02 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/trav ... oston.html says:

“If JetBlue becomes successful, then the large airlines are going to fear that another airline, whether it’s low cost or ultralow cost,” will try the same thing and further split the market, Mr. Harteveldt said. “We will probably see them over-respond to whatever JetBlue does.”

Ready for a bloodbath, everyone?

“We see obscene fares across the Atlantic,” (chief executive Robin) Hayes said. “People will be paying a lot less for a business class experience than they pay today.”

Premium airfares on transcontinental flights in the United States declined, he noted, after JetBlue in 2014 introduced its “Mint” cabin, which featured lie-flat business class-like seats.

This seems to be their lever.

JetBlue’s fleet could also be a competitive advantage. The airline ordered 13 Airbus A321neo long-range variants — a narrowbody jet with capacity for fewer passengers than the larger planes other airlines fly on many trans-Atlantic routes. That means the airline will require fewer tickets to be sold than their competitors to be profitable.

Mr. Hayes added that the long-range A321neo could ultimately open more routes that other airlines currently serve with planes like the Airbus A350 or Boeing 787, including more European cities like Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam. Mr. Harteveldt agreed the planes were an advantage to the airline.

Or the competitors will start flying A321neoLR as well, and perhaps NMA/A322/etc some day as well.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:02 pm

Just like DL's BOM announcement, they were better off saving this until they had something concrete. IMO, the announcement of GYE was the most substantial bit of news here.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:03 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
SunsetLimited wrote:
2021? Nothing like giving the competition even more time to up their game and make it even more difficult for B6.


This is the part that has me scratching my head as well. Was the idea to boost the stock price by telegraphing their strategy now, teasing a premium-heavy configuration?


Giving WN a head start?
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:06 pm

And can we change the thread title from "Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021" to "Jetblue Announces Plans to Fly to London from JFK and BOS from 2021"? They haven't announced an actual flight (start date, schedule) or even the airport they intend to fly to as yet.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:06 pm

the official statement makes multiple mentions of "low fares" which probably rules out an all-mint product.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:08 pm

This feels a lot like WN’s announcement of their intentions to serve Hawaii a couple of years ago.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:13 pm

Fex180 wrote:
the official statement makes multiple mentions of "low fares" which probably rules out an all-mint product.


It could be Premium Heavy with something like 10 rows of coach in the far back. Other Carriers have done that.
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:13 pm

airbazar wrote:
pitbosflyer wrote:
User001 wrote:

MUC/AMS and FCO all have flights to BOS?


I too am confused by this airbazar. DL/KLM is now up to 3 flights a day to AMS from BOS. LH flies daily to MUC and AZ to FCO (with DY also serving it seasonally). I don't think "no competition whatsoever" is the correct phrase to describe the situation.


1 airline per route is the definition of no competition, is it not?
1 airline on BOS-AMS. DL and KLM are the same airline due to the JV.
Only AZ on BOS-FCO,
Only LH flies BOS-MUC.
I'll give you the seasonal on DY to FCO.


Ahh ok, now I see what you mean. I thought you were saying if B6 flew those routes they would have no competition. Just a misunderstanding.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:15 pm

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I would be surprised to not see B6 order 10-12 B789s concurrent with this, for use to London, Paris, and also Tel Aviv, along with some transcon. From NYC, the UK, France, and Israel are all strong O&D markets.


I really don't see Jetblue going all in on this and ordering a bunch of brand new aircraft and opening a bunch of new routes at the same time.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:22 pm

If Airbus does go ahead with the XLR,shouldnt they convert their options to that model to get that xtra bit of range? And what config. should their A321s have to reach London or Madrid without a tech-stop in winter?sth like the 757,180 pax? Would it also be profitable if they expanded to markets like KEF or LIS?
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:25 pm

How long until AA pulls out of JFK? :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:26 pm

I am completely underwhelmed by this announcement: 18 months from now is October 2020. Spring/summer 2021 is TWO YEARS from now!
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
Wow. Jaw dropping.

I’m amazingly underwhelmed. WN to Hawaii was more exciting than this.


I was, too. There’s more they didn’t say than did. I’m left wondering why they didn’t do this dog-and-pony show a year from now.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:32 pm

This was the most useless announcement I've seen. I wonder if JetBlue will still even be around in 2021 or are the aircraft going to have UA, DL, or AA on the side :lol:
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:40 pm

United787 wrote:
How long until AA pulls out of JFK? :stirthepot:

to piggyback on your pot stirring, I was kind of expecting it'd be a new aircraft and be AUS-LHR on jetblue :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:42 pm

Wish it was something better than an A321 .. but ya gotta start somewhere.

Best of luck to B6 … def a great airline .. and im sure they cam carve out their own niche on these Europe routes just like they've done elsewhere. Not everyone has a hard-on over AA, DL, BA. etc ..
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:42 pm

santi319 wrote:
How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?

So they’re suppose to sit on slots for two years?
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:43 pm

santi319 wrote:
How can they make an announcement if they don’t have slots?

Is LGW slot restricted?

So they’re suppose to sit on slots for two years?
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:50 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
If Airbus does go ahead with the XLR,shouldnt they convert their options to that model to get that xtra bit of range?


Yes, they probably should. By their own map range to MAD and AMS looks marginal, and if they really are going to build a TATL network they need ZRH and FRA. The 321LR is what they can be flying in ~24 months - how long do you want them to wait for XLRs?
 
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Re: Jetblue “Save the Date” All Hands - April 10

Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:01 pm

Revelation wrote:
Or the competitors will start flying A321neoLR as well, and perhaps NMA/A322/etc some day as well.


This is, I think, a very important hypothetical that could easily become reality in the near term. Delta, just as an example, has 100 321neos on order that will start being delivered in 2020. This advance notice from B6 gives DL ample time to have a think on how they can respond competitively, and I think such a response includes the possibility of LRs being used across the Atlantic. DL has the ability to now pre-empt B6 at every step of their TATL endeavor.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:05 pm

Outstanding news for B6 - I do hope that they can make this work...the JFK/BOS-LHR market is really crowded....I hope that this isn’t going to be an experiment that explodes in their face....i mean, even if it doesn’t work out for them, the A321LR has the range and flexibility to be a really great asset for other routes in the B6 network.
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:10 pm

THEY ACTUALLY DID IT THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

i wish them luck, hopefully this will be a success
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Re: Confirmed: Jetblue Announces Flights to London from JFK and BOS from 2021

Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:14 pm

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How long until AA pulls out of JFK? :stirthepot:


Probably within 9 moths after JB EIS. I look forward to that.

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