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British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:04 am

Where does BA send their B77Ws? I know they fly it to HKG, SIN, SYD, NRT/,HND? Those are the only routes I know where they fly those birds. Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them? Surely, routes like DXB, SFO and LAX are best suited for these birds?
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:06 am

It is seasonally on the AUS turn during the winter. It seems that it is doing great in terms of cargo for the route.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:10 am

Pretty sure BA are happy with their 77W’s, they recently ordered a few more via lease. The 777-9 is 747 replacement primarily.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:25 am

J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


I don’t follow your logic - surely ordering more of an aircraft would suggest that they are very happy it? Don’t forget they have also ordered an extra three 77Ws which are arriving this year.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:35 am

BOM gets the 77W as well, except for a part of the winter season when BA flies the 744.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:39 am

GRU gets them as well
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:05 am

BA's 77Ws also fly to SAN at certain times of the year
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:18 am

J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:25 am

JFK in the summer.
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:08 am

It goes to HND, AUS (winter only), MAD (BA460), HKG, GRU, SIN/SYD and on certain days PVG and BOM.

DXB is a bit pointless - the 77W has crew bunks, it's better used on longer sectors that require a bunk. SFO is served by the A380 and B747, I have flown to SFO in the past on the 77W but the hi-J 747 works well there for now. Same is true for LAX. The 77W is going where it can haul a serious amount of cargo, so typically where it is the only flight of the day to that destination or where the other flight is an A380 that can't take the required cargo amount.

BA is very happy with the 77W, wish they'd ordered more and has been regarded as the saviour of the SIN/SYD tag. It's a very capable and highly profitable aircraft for BA.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:13 pm

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It goes to HND, AUS (winter only), MAD (BA460), HKG, GRU, SIN/SYD and on certain days PVG and BOM.

DXB is a bit pointless - the 77W has crew bunks, it's better used on longer sectors that require a bunk. SFO is served by the A380 and B747, I have flown to SFO in the past on the 77W but the hi-J 747 works well there for now. Same is true for LAX. The 77W is going where it can haul a serious amount of cargo, so typically where it is the only flight of the day to that destination or where the other flight is an A380 that can't take the required cargo amount.

BA is very happy with the 77W, wish they'd ordered more and has been regarded as the saviour of the SIN/SYD tag. It's a very capable and highly profitable aircraft for BA.


You just got lucky. British Airways have 4 more which are due to be delivered in 2020. A total of 16 will be in use by end of 2020
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:21 pm

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It goes to HND, AUS (winter only), MAD (BA460), HKG, GRU, SIN/SYD and on certain days PVG and BOM.

DXB is a bit pointless - the 77W has crew bunks, it's better used on longer sectors that require a bunk. SFO is served by the A380 and B747, I have flown to SFO in the past on the 77W but the hi-J 747 works well there for now. Same is true for LAX. The 77W is going where it can haul a serious amount of cargo, so typically where it is the only flight of the day to that destination or where the other flight is an A380 that can't take the required cargo amount.

BA is very happy with the 77W, wish they'd ordered more and has been regarded as the saviour of the SIN/SYD tag. It's a very capable and highly profitable aircraft for BA.


You just got lucky. British Airways have 4 more which are due to be delivered in 2020. A total of 16 will be in use by end of 2020


I'm looking forward to it, should add a few extra nice destinations to the 777 network. First one due Q3 2020 apparently. We'll see if it'll be a 777-200ER/787-9 upgrade or a 747 replacement in terms of routes. PHX, DFW, DEN and LAS seem like good candidates but plenty of others too.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:32 pm

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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:41 pm

I would imagine the 77Ws will be refitted in a very premium configuration. The extra frames are therefore likely to replace super high-J aircraft on some of their longer/high cargo destinations, e.g. LAX, SFO from 2020. The likes of LAS, PHX are probably more likely to see the A350 given they are not routes that have a high demand for premium travel. Longer term when the 777-9s arrive they are likely to serve the longer routes the 77W serves now, with the 77Ws moving into the routes served by outgoing super high-J 744s such as ORD, JFK, LOS, RUH etc. Just my guess anyway!
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:00 pm

Routes flown in the past 30 days can be viewed at

http://thebasource.com/aircraft/b777-300er/
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:22 pm

N809FR wrote:
Pretty sure BA are happy with their 77W’s, they recently ordered a few more via lease. The 777-9 is 747 replacement primarily.


The B77W could slot into the mid-J replacement though, with the B779 being the high-J replacement. What would be the low-J replacement---the first A35Ks?
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:36 pm

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It goes to HND, AUS (winter only), MAD (BA460), HKG, GRU, SIN/SYD and on certain days PVG and BOM.

DXB is a bit pointless - the 77W has crew bunks, it's better used on longer sectors that require a bunk. SFO is served by the A380 and B747, I have flown to SFO in the past on the 77W but the hi-J 747 works well there for now. Same is true for LAX. The 77W is going where it can haul a serious amount of cargo, so typically where it is the only flight of the day to that destination or where the other flight is an A380 that can't take the required cargo amount.

BA is very happy with the 77W, wish they'd ordered more and has been regarded as the saviour of the SIN/SYD tag. It's a very capable and highly profitable aircraft for BA.


Usually if you do the “early” BOM it’s a 77W, the late one a bunked RR 77E (winter timetable, summer I recall a GE 77E).
Have also done SAN in the summer timetable on a mixture of 77Ws and bunked RR 77Es. Not sure if the flip-flopping between types was due to 77W availability or what.
The occasional BOS as well (interesting on 27 on a windy day!).
MAD is a *serious* cargo shuttle. On my last one, we carried 20T back to LHR all of which was fruit&veg, fish and meat.

So what will the next four be? BM, BN, BO, BP I guess!
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:36 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
N809FR wrote:
Pretty sure BA are happy with their 77W’s, they recently ordered a few more via lease. The 777-9 is 747 replacement primarily.


The B77W could slot into the mid-J replacement though, with the B779 being the high-J replacement. What would be the low-J replacement---the first A35Ks?


The 4 77W are replacing 3 777-200. (Before anyone says no not 1:1. 3 777-200ERs will take over 777-200 routes and then the extra 77Ws are to upagauge some current routes from 772ER to 77W.

The 777-9X are the high-J 747 replacements for the most part and the A350-1000 is the low-J 747 replacements. 18 777-9X replacing 18 (86J) 747 and the 18 A35K replacing the 18 (52J) 747s for the most part. 36 New A35K and 779 replacing 36 747s. The mid J 747s went a long time ago.

No doubt it won’t be literal and some changes in the mix of course as some routes require different things. Also they do have 12 787-10 coming too which will take over some of the 747 routes too (rumoured premium heavy) so Middle East and East Coast USA. There will be lots of tweaks to what aircraft sent where after deliveries. I would be surprised to see the 777-9X replace some 77W routes with the 77Ws going elsewhere too.
 
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:41 pm

The 3 77As are not going as soon as you might think. They have all been upgraded to AIMS2 (which is a significant expenditure for these 20+ y.o. birds).
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:18 pm

BA, for the last few years, has sent the 773 to SAN in the summer and the 744 in the winters; this seems to be just the opposite of the AUS service pattern. They could very well make it any easy swap between the 2 routes.

I do know that BA carries more pax to SAN in the summers than the winter so it always seemed like the 744 would be a better fit to SAN in the summer. But I'm sure cargo is a major factor as well, just as the AUS folks say is the case with their Speedbird route.

Whatever the reasons, it's still a thrill to see either a/c coming in over Balboa Park every afternoon!

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Re: British Airways B77W

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:31 pm

BOS gets them as well from time to time on the 215/214 and 203/202 rotations. Seem to be ad hoc.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:33 am

Seat0F wrote:
I would imagine the 77Ws will be refitted in a very premium configuration. The extra frames are therefore likely to replace super high-J aircraft on some of their longer/high cargo destinations, e.g. LAX, SFO from 2020. The likes of LAS, PHX are probably more likely to see the A350 given they are not routes that have a high demand for premium travel. Longer term when the 777-9s arrive they are likely to serve the longer routes the 77W serves now, with the 77Ws moving into the routes served by outgoing super high-J 744s such as ORD, JFK, LOS, RUH etc. Just my guess anyway!


I would have thought the BAs 77W would be a good fit for LAX, SFO and MIA. I don't exactly know why BA sends 1xA380 and 2xB788 to LAX (correct me if I am wrong). I would have thought 1xA380 1xB77W and 1xB744 would be a better fit.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:37 am

J343 wrote:
Seat0F wrote:
I would imagine the 77Ws will be refitted in a very premium configuration. The extra frames are therefore likely to replace super high-J aircraft on some of their longer/high cargo destinations, e.g. LAX, SFO from 2020. The likes of LAS, PHX are probably more likely to see the A350 given they are not routes that have a high demand for premium travel. Longer term when the 777-9s arrive they are likely to serve the longer routes the 77W serves now, with the 77Ws moving into the routes served by outgoing super high-J 744s such as ORD, JFK, LOS, RUH etc. Just my guess anyway!


I would have thought the BAs 77W would be a good fit for LAX, SFO and MIA. I don't exactly know why BA sends 1xA380 and 2xB788 to LAX (correct me if I am wrong). I would have thought 1xA380 1xB77W and 1xB744 would be a better fit.

BA currently sends 1xA380, 1xB789 and 1xB744 to LAX.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:25 am

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J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.


The A35K is the 52J 747 replacement. The B77W were initially a stop gap due to 787 delays but now have a place in the fleet in their own right. A few more 77Ws are on order to replace/upgauge the 3 777-200s. The 777-9 is the 86J 747 replacement (well, they've ordered 18, to replace 14 high J 747s and 4 77Es, despite there being 18 high J 747s, all a little confusing). That leaves, by my count, 4 high J 747s to replace. There is no replacement order for the bulk of the 77E fleet as they'll mostly be flying for another decade yet. The A35K is categorically not a 777 replacement. Hope this helps :)
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:39 am

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Arion640 wrote:
JFK in the summer.


- And winter, flow on in Feb.


Mate, can you edit your signature into a few different lines? As one continuous line of text, it causes us other users to have to scroll across the page to read any thread that you post in.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:52 am

MAD also get them.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:30 am

During the summer BA flies a daily 77W on the afternoon BA165/4 service to TLV, during the winter an occasional sun on BA163/2 which is a mix of 772/788/789.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:54 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
ba319-131 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
JFK in the summer.


- And winter, flow on in Feb.


Mate, can you edit your signature into a few different lines? As one continuous line of text, it causes us other users to have to scroll across the page to read any thread that you post in.


This explains the annoying scaling, +1. Is there anything mods can do to prevent this (innocent) mistake.
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:58 am

SQ317 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.


The A35K is the 52J 747 replacement. The B77W were initially a stop gap due to 787 delays but now have a place in the fleet in their own right. A few more 77Ws are on order to replace/upgauge the 3 777-200s. The 777-9 is the 86J 747 replacement (well, they've ordered 18, to replace 14 high J 747s and 4 77Es, despite there being 18 high J 747s, all a little confusing). That leaves, by my count, 4 high J 747s to replace. There is no replacement order for the bulk of the 77E fleet as they'll mostly be flying for another decade yet. The A35K is categorically not a 777 replacement. Hope this helps :)


They're unlikely to be replaced on a like for like basis. You'll see the A350 on routes that weren't previously operated by the 747, some that were 777; you'll see the the 787-10 on previous 747 routes and you'll see the 77W and 777X on previous 747 routes too. BA can also flex their transatlantic capacity to the likes of JFK, PHL, LAX, ORD and MIA with American as well.

It's going to be a complicated longhaul fleet with a lot of types, there'll no doubt be a lot of movement between types on routes across seasonal boundaries. I've heard rumours of some 77Ws making their way to LGW but I'm not convinced by that rumour just yet!
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:15 pm

J343 wrote:
Where does BA send their B77Ws? I know they fly it to HKG, SIN, SYD, NRT/,HND? Those are the only routes I know where they fly those birds. Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them? Surely, routes like DXB, SFO and LAX are best suited for these birds?

Based on the S19 schedule (w/c22APR) the 77W are operating:

Beijing - BA039/BA038 - Daily
Hong Kong - BA027/BA028 - Daily
New York (JFK) - BA113/BA114 - 1 x Weekly (Thu)
New York (JFK) - BA179/BA182 - 3 x Weekly (Wed/Fri/Sat)
San Diego - BA273/BA272 - Daily
Singapore/Sydney - Daily
São Paulo - BA247/BA246 - Daily
Tel Aviv - BA165/BA164 - Daily
Tokyo (Haneda) - BA007/BA008 - Daily
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:16 pm

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The 3 77As are not going as soon as you might think. They have all been upgraded to AIMS2 (which is a significant expenditure for these 20+ y.o. birds).


I assume you mean the three remaining 777-200. They are all gone next year.

G-ZZZC - Retired in Jan 2020
G-ZZZA - Retired in Sep 2020
G-ZZZB - Retired in Oct 2020

All the 777-200ERs are making their 30th birthday at least. So earliest for them 2028 ish. A good ten years left for the vast majority.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:17 pm

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J343 wrote:
Where does BA send their B77Ws? I know they fly it to HKG, SIN, SYD, NRT/,HND? Those are the only routes I know where they fly those birds. Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them? Surely, routes like DXB, SFO and LAX are best suited for these birds?

Based on the S19 schedule (w/c22APR) the 77W are operating:

Beijing - BA039/BA038 - Daily
Hong Kong - BA027/BA028 - Daily
New York (JFK) - BA113/BA114 - 1 x Weekly (Thu)
New York (JFK) - BA179/BA182 - 3 x Weekly (Wed/Fri/Sat)
San Diego - BA273/BA272 - Daily
Singapore/Sydney - Daily
São Paulo - BA247/BA246 - Daily
Tel Aviv - BA165/BA164 - Daily
Tokyo (Haneda) - BA007/BA008 - Daily


And Madrid surely??

Madrid - BA461/BA460 - Daily
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:31 pm

BA777FO wrote:
SQ317 wrote:
Stitch wrote:

The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.


The A35K is the 52J 747 replacement. The B77W were initially a stop gap due to 787 delays but now have a place in the fleet in their own right. A few more 77Ws are on order to replace/upgauge the 3 777-200s. The 777-9 is the 86J 747 replacement (well, they've ordered 18, to replace 14 high J 747s and 4 77Es, despite there being 18 high J 747s, all a little confusing). That leaves, by my count, 4 high J 747s to replace. There is no replacement order for the bulk of the 77E fleet as they'll mostly be flying for another decade yet. The A35K is categorically not a 777 replacement. Hope this helps :)


They're unlikely to be replaced on a like for like basis. You'll see the A350 on routes that weren't previously operated by the 747, some that were 777; you'll see the the 787-10 on previous 747 routes and you'll see the 77W and 777X on previous 747 routes too. BA can also flex their transatlantic capacity to the likes of JFK, PHL, LAX, ORD and MIA with American as well.

It's going to be a complicated longhaul fleet with a lot of types, there'll no doubt be a lot of movement between types on routes across seasonal boundaries. I've heard rumours of some 77Ws making their way to LGW but I'm not convinced by that rumour just yet!


I hadn't thought of it that way, thank you. I guess for an airline as big as BA, it's worth having multiple types to match route to suitable aircraft type rather than a one size fits all approach.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:53 pm

Stitch wrote:
J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:57 pm

LTU932 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.


BA Gatwick 777s are so low on replacement priority. 777-200ERs are going to 30 minimum. As they retire they will go from LHR first and the final ones will be at Gatwick. We are talking over 10 years. Probably closer to 15 years in the mid 2030s before they leave Gatwick. As for replacement they’ll keep to one fleet. Possibly “hand me down” 787s in some mixture that will go from LHR. Unlikely I would guess that the A35Ks will go to LGW. To big for a lots of routes. Especially in the very high density configuration.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm

LTU932 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.


I'm actually hoping for the 77Ws to make their way to LGW, 772s are the only T7s I see on a regular basis. VS will be sending us their A350s soon anyway.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:06 pm

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And Madrid surely??Madrid - BA461/BA460 - Daily


Someone flicked the TOGA switch by mistake on yesterday's 461 !
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:52 pm

A 77W is commonly used as a long haul standby aircraft due to its capacity and therefore they can show up just about anywhere, even if not regularly.
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:39 pm

george77300 wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
Stitch wrote:

The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.


BA Gatwick 777s are so low on replacement priority. 777-200ERs are going to 30 minimum. As they retire they will go from LHR first and the final ones will be at Gatwick. We are talking over 10 years. Probably closer to 15 years in the mid 2030s before they leave Gatwick. As for replacement they’ll keep to one fleet. Possibly “hand me down” 787s in some mixture that will go from LHR. Unlikely I would guess that the A35Ks will go to LGW. To big for a lots of routes. Especially in the very high density configuration.



So does this mean the 77Es are gonna be with BA until at least 2030? I thought the B788s are the replacement for those birds. I know EWR and BWI were 77E routes and have switched to B788/9.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:43 pm

J343 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.


BA Gatwick 777s are so low on replacement priority. 777-200ERs are going to 30 minimum. As they retire they will go from LHR first and the final ones will be at Gatwick. We are talking over 10 years. Probably closer to 15 years in the mid 2030s before they leave Gatwick. As for replacement they’ll keep to one fleet. Possibly “hand me down” 787s in some mixture that will go from LHR. Unlikely I would guess that the A35Ks will go to LGW. To big for a lots of routes. Especially in the very high density configuration.



So does this mean the 77Es are gonna be with BA until at least 2030? I thought the B788s are the replacement for those birds. I know EWR and BWI were 77E routes and have switched to B788/9.


Yes. There have been zero B77E retirements at BA and won’t be any until 2028 technically at the earliest (Throughout the 2030s for most) as it has been stated all will make their 30th. BA have a multitude of different types due to their large fleet and like to swap the aircraft around the system as demand fits depending on the season. All 777-200ERs are still in the fleet and going strong. No retirement yet and in fact ALL are getting reconfigured with about 8 done so far. LGW expansion has happened recently hence some LHR routes taken over by 788/789.

Most likely replacement for these 777-200ERs are the next widebody order. I’d guess a pretty close to 50/50 mix of A359 for longer and more B78X for ahoter routes. The 77Es have a while left though...
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:56 pm

BAeRJ100 wrote:
ba319-131 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
JFK in the summer.


- And winter, flow on in Feb.


Mate, can you edit your signature into a few different lines? As one continuous line of text, it causes us other users to have to scroll across the page to read any thread that you post in.


Or just delete it entirely. No one cares what airplanes you've flown on.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:21 pm

LTU932 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
J343 wrote:
Given the recent order of the 77X, does this mean that the B77W isn't working for them?


The 777-300ER is effectively the replacement for the 52-seat Club World 747-400 fleet while the 777-9 will likely become the replacement for the 86-seat Club World fleet. The A350-1000 will then become the 777-200 and 777-200ER replacement.
You'll think they'll send the A350-1000 to also replace the LGW 777 fleet, or will they stick around in LHR and they'll find another solution to replace the LGW 777s? I wouldn't mind seeing an A350-1000 here in SJO, we already get the 77W, 77E and I've personally seen the A350-900 once when Finnair took one of them to HAM like 4 years ago or so.



If previous form is anything to go by then Gatwick will get old Heathrow based widebodies. As 350s and more 787s arrive, we should see some 772s get transferred. Then perhaps in 10 years or so time, the 787s will follow the same path over to Gatwick.

But they may opt for factory fresh aircraft to LGW in order to save them the cost and time to densify the existing 772s. Aside from that, there's little logic to using their newest and most capable aircraft on leisure routes out of their substantially smaller second hub, where they face little premium competition, with the opposite being true at LHR.
 
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Re: British Airways B77W

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:23 pm

george77300 wrote:
J343 wrote:
george77300 wrote:

BA Gatwick 777s are so low on replacement priority. 777-200ERs are going to 30 minimum. As they retire they will go from LHR first and the final ones will be at Gatwick. We are talking over 10 years. Probably closer to 15 years in the mid 2030s before they leave Gatwick. As for replacement they’ll keep to one fleet. Possibly “hand me down” 787s in some mixture that will go from LHR. Unlikely I would guess that the A35Ks will go to LGW. To big for a lots of routes. Especially in the very high density configuration.



So does this mean the 77Es are gonna be with BA until at least 2030? I thought the B788s are the replacement for those birds. I know EWR and BWI were 77E routes and have switched to B788/9.


Yes. There have been zero B77E retirements at BA and won’t be any until 2028 technically at the earliest (Throughout the 2030s for most) as it has been stated all will make their 30th. BA have a multitude of different types due to their large fleet and like to swap the aircraft around the system as demand fits depending on the season. All 777-200ERs are still in the fleet and going strong. No retirement yet and in fact ALL are getting reconfigured with about 8 done so far. LGW expansion has happened recently hence some LHR routes taken over by 788/789.

Most likely replacement for these 777-200ERs are the next widebody order. I’d guess a pretty close to 50/50 mix of A359 for longer and more B78X for ahoter routes. The 77Es have a while left though...



It'll be nice if those LHR based 77Es get the updated cabins! I'm flying to SFO in a few weeks on the 77E service and hoping it will be the updated one. The old ones are horrible!

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