BA just announced on Facebook that City of Swansea will be painted in their Landor Livery.

This is amazing!!!

https://www.facebook.com/76903425829/po ... 473835830/

Not really. It was meant to be G-CIVB and be around for a while. G-BNLY was getting Negus. If this is right, Landor is only around til Nov

Who cares on what aircraft or for how long.

Seeing a BA aircraft fly in 2019 with the Landor Livery is still glorious

G-BNLY was City of Swansea when delivered

I think it's tragic it won't be going on an airplane that will last at least a year. What is even the point?

Concorde2904 wrote:

Who cares on what aircraft or for how long.

Seeing a BA aircraft fly in 2019 with the Landor Livery is still glorious

People who don’t live near Heathrow who’d love to see it? Landor was amazing and BOAC is staying til 2023 when G-BYGC retires. G-BNLY goes in November so you’d better be quick!

Great post (not) x

Also staying until 2023 according to BA.

Niiiiiiiceeee, can't wait!!!
The best livery ever!
I know I'm asking too much but perhaps BA Asia Landor livery?

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

One of those peculiar situations, where an aircraft painted in a retro livery actually wore that particular livery when first delivered.

I hope they get the tail crest correct and don't just use the current one.

So excited for this!

Great Livery, Cannot wait to see her rolled out.

CarbonFibre wrote:

Also staying until 2023 according to BA.

This has to be correct. It’s off for a refit in September i think!

I don’t think BA are dull enough to put liveries on aircraft that are exiting the fleet soon, the livery wouldn’t even make it until the end of the 100th year if that was the case.

I've always wanted to know this... What is that design supposed to be toward the top of the tail?

Fantasic news, this is in my opinion the best livery BA has ever had but that's open for debate as everyone thinks differently. I hope to see this at some point (and I don't mean when she's cruising overhead). I was worried when they revealed it was going to be G-BNLY but if she's now sticking round till 2023 that's great

steeler83 wrote:

I've always wanted to know this... What is that design supposed to be toward the top of the tail?

That's the company coat of arms, designed specially for British Airways back when a lot of companies and institutions did that sort of thing. I used to confuse it with the crest of a warrant for Royal Appointment which at first glance it is possible to mix them up. It disappeared following the dropping of the Landor Livery but has made it's way back with their "to fly to serve" livery variation.

Phil
FlyingColours

Arion640 wrote:

CarbonFibre wrote:

Also staying until 2023 according to BA.

This has to be correct. It’s off for a refit in September i think!

I don’t think BA are dull enough to put liveries on aircraft that are exiting the fleet soon, the livery wouldn’t even make it until the end of the 100th year if that was the case.

This is exactly what they did when G-CPET wore retro Negus for a matter of months before retirement. Also the BEA retrojet, G-EUPJ leaves in under a year.
If this is correct, this would become the oldest aircraft ever flown by BA, by quite some margin, at thirty years old.

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

If your theory is correct, they could debut a new livery on their first 779

skipness1E wrote:

Not really. It was meant to be G-CIVB and be around for a while. G-BNLY was getting Negus. If this is right, Landor is only around til Nov

Nope.

All 3 747s in retro are here until 2023. (BGYC/BNLY/CIVB)

It appear CIVB will be Negus now. NO RETRO 747S RETIRE UNTIL 2023.

It’s EUPJ (BEA A319) that will only be around just over a year. Going towards the end of 2020.

The Landor livery was my favorite...it always made you feel like you were boarding something special, something regal, something uniquely British. Of course it's only a plane and a colour choice doesn't make it very different from scores of other airlines, but the service was good for it's day too and mirrored it's image. This was a grand livery and it gave BA direction and an identity; it was a modern (for 1985) twist on the Negus livery and it deserves to be honoured for many years to come. I wouldn't be sad if BA went back to this livery across the whole fleet - I know they won't obviously.

I don't mind the current livery, BTW. But I put it in a second place tie with Negus, firmly behind Landor.

skipness1E wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

CarbonFibre wrote:

Also staying until 2023 according to BA.

This has to be correct. It’s off for a refit in September i think!

I don’t think BA are dull enough to put liveries on aircraft that are exiting the fleet soon, the livery wouldn’t even make it until the end of the 100th year if that was the case.

This is exactly what they did when G-CPET wore retro Negus for a matter of months before retirement. Also the BEA retrojet, G-EUPJ leaves in under a year.
If this is correct, this would become the oldest aircraft ever flown by BA, by quite some margin, at thirty years old.

Not by far G-BNLY will be the oldest. (Just over 30) but G-BNWA/G-BNWB were 29 and 28 yrs old. Also give it a few years and most 777-200ERs are going to beat 30 years old.

You are correct all 747 retros are retiring in 2023. Some of the last 747s to go. It’s EUPJ leaving in just over a year to 18 months. That’s off mid to late 2020.

skipness1E wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

CarbonFibre wrote:

Also staying until 2023 according to BA.

This has to be correct. It’s off for a refit in September i think!

I don’t think BA are dull enough to put liveries on aircraft that are exiting the fleet soon, the livery wouldn’t even make it until the end of the 100th year if that was the case.

This is exactly what they did when G-CPET wore retro Negus for a matter of months before retirement. Also the BEA retrojet, G-EUPJ leaves in under a year.
If this is correct, this would become the oldest aircraft ever flown by BA, by quite some margin, at thirty years old.

That is true mind - but that was more of a farewell to the 757 itself than celebrating the whole airline like they are doing here.

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

In that case, BA fans best get prepared for the Euro White that has infected the rest of the IAG airlines!

This might sound far-fetched. But you have to wonder if the retros have been so well-received by the public that BA has decided to keep three of the liveries around longer than originally planned.

I too love the Landor livery, for me it expressed British quality and technology. Its design elements were consistently and thoughtfully applied to all customer touch points.

The ultimate Landor design element was the lightning-like flash of the red speedwing that raced down Concorde’s side. That is how one makes a eurowhite livery work!

Despite my affinity for Landor, I feel the stlyish yet simple red, white and blue Negus tailfin simply cannot be beaten. I can’t wait to see that return to the skies.

CPH-R wrote:

One of those peculiar situations, where an aircraft painted in a retro livery actually wore that particular livery when first delivered.

Yes and I don't think that's a good thing. It just looks a bit like they forgot to repaint one

Should have painted a 787/A350 in this particular livery IMHO.

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

In that case, BA fans best get prepared for the Euro White that has infected the rest of the IAG airlines!

Shouldn't be too hard, it's arguably a variation of Euro White as it is.

I always loved that scheme. So classy with the crest on the tail.

Too bad that they're doing this with a 52J bird that will mostly be relegated to BA's second tier US markets like Phoenix, Denver and Vegas. It'll probably never show up at JFK, IAD, ORD, LAX or SFO.

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

Unlikely - it's already been confirmed that the A350s will be delivered in the existing Chatham Dockyard livery, with the tail design also on both sides of the winglets. And personally I'd disagree that a rebranding is required. It still looks fresh and distinctive over 20 years after its introduction thanks to a few subtle tweaks over time.

Armodeen wrote:

CPH-R wrote:

One of those peculiar situations, where an aircraft painted in a retro livery actually wore that particular livery when first delivered.

Yes and I don't think that's a good thing. It just looks a bit like they forgot to repaint one

Should have painted a 787/A350 in this particular livery IMHO.

They actually could have done just that. Kept it in the Landor livery since back then

bagoldex wrote:

Too bad that they're doing this with a 52J bird that will mostly be relegated to BA's second tier US markets like Phoenix, Denver and Vegas. It'll probably never show up at JFK, IAD, ORD, LAX or SFO.

The 52J birds go to IAD, JFK and ORD. (Not SFO/LAX).

As for USA destinations in the last month they’ve been to BOS, ORD, DEN, LAS, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX, SAN and IAD.

And non US to CPT, LOS, ACC, KWI and YVR. (JNB on an unscheduled swap too).

They still get around to many Is gateways.

I hope they will paint one with the British Caledonian paint scheme.

george77300 wrote:

bagoldex wrote:

Too bad that they're doing this with a 52J bird that will mostly be relegated to BA's second tier US markets like Phoenix, Denver and Vegas. It'll probably never show up at JFK, IAD, ORD, LAX or SFO.

The 52J birds go to IAD, JFK and ORD. (Not SFO/LAX).

As for USA destinations in the last month they’ve been to BOS, ORD, DEN, LAS, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX, SAN and IAD.

And non US to CPT, LOS, ACC, KWI and YVR. (JNB on an unscheduled swap too).

They still get around to many Is gateways.

Rarely do they hit the airports I mentioned. The point is that those cities, along with Boston and Miami represent BA's largest and most important American markets where this marketing scheme would have been most noticed and appreciated.

wedgetail737 wrote:

I hope they will paint one with the British Caledonian paint scheme.

It's been stated many many times in this thread what the retro liveries are and what aircraft they will be applied to and BCAL is not one of them.

I'm a huge fan of the former BCAL and the airline will forever be in my memory but there was no chance of British Airways ever adding a BCAL retro jet

The four former liveries that the airline has chosen are the most obvious choices for British Airways to celebrate their 100th anniversary.

zappomatic wrote:

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

Unlikely - it's already been confirmed that the A350s will be delivered in the existing Chatham Dockyard livery, with the tail design also on both sides of the winglets. And personally I'd disagree that a rebranding is required. It still looks fresh and distinctive over 20 years after its introduction thanks to a few subtle tweaks over time.

Thank goodness!
BA's livery is arguably one of the best 'modern' colour schemes around. I also think that it has aged well and doesn't looks 20 years old.

A change any time soon would likely give us something terrible like this (sorry Allan):




That said, I still think BA missed a trick in not painting different aircraft types in retro schemes.
A 744 has already worn Landor, I would have preferred to have seen this instead:

bagoldex wrote:

george77300 wrote:

bagoldex wrote:

Too bad that they're doing this with a 52J bird that will mostly be relegated to BA's second tier US markets like Phoenix, Denver and Vegas. It'll probably never show up at JFK, IAD, ORD, LAX or SFO.

The 52J birds go to IAD, JFK and ORD. (Not SFO/LAX).

As for USA destinations in the last month they’ve been to BOS, ORD, DEN, LAS, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX, SAN and IAD.

And non US to CPT, LOS, ACC, KWI and YVR. (JNB on an unscheduled swap too).

They still get around to many Is gateways.

Rarely do they hit the airports I mentioned. The point is that those cities, along with Boston and Miami represent BA's largest and most important American markets where this marketing scheme would have been most noticed and appreciated.

They do that because they are the worst condition of all BAs planes in terms of interior quality. They won’t send them on the main routes such as LAX, SFO. As for IAD they are two daily 787 and daily with the high-J 747. JFK is a regularly 52J route but with so many daily flights there are regular 86J and 777 too.

As for BOS and MIA they are very heavy receivers of the 52J 747. MIA is 2-3x daily with 52J 747s. I don’t see the problem. The BOAC painted one is a 86J and with turn up at fewer US airports but will do at LAX, SFO, IAD, ORD, JFK etc..

george77300 wrote:

bagoldex wrote:

george77300 wrote:

The 52J birds go to IAD, JFK and ORD. (Not SFO/LAX).

As for USA destinations in the last month they’ve been to BOS, ORD, DEN, LAS, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX, SAN and IAD.

And non US to CPT, LOS, ACC, KWI and YVR. (JNB on an unscheduled swap too).

They still get around to many Is gateways.

Rarely do they hit the airports I mentioned. The point is that those cities, along with Boston and Miami represent BA's largest and most important American markets where this marketing scheme would have been most noticed and appreciated.

They do that because they are the worst condition of all BAs planes in terms of interior quality. They won’t send them on the main routes such as LAX, SFO. As for IAD they are two daily 787 and daily with the high-J 747. JFK is a regularly 52J route but with so many daily flights there are regular 86J and 777 too.

As for BOS and MIA they are very heavy receivers of the 52J 747. MIA is 2-3x daily with 52J 747s. I don’t see the problem. The BOAC painted one is a 86J and with turn up at fewer US airports but will do at LAX, SFO, IAD, ORD, JFK etc..

There's no problem at all. It was just my opinion that it might have been nice to see this livery having been painted on a plane that's going to hit some of their marquee routes. FWIW, JFK almost never sees 52J 74s and they're not that common at Boston either. Miami's the only one of the major US markets that see them daily.

george77300 wrote:

They do that because they are the worst condition of all BAs planes in terms of interior quality. They won’t send them on the main routes such as LAX, SFO. As for IAD they are two daily 787 and daily with the high-J 747. JFK is a regularly 52J route but with so many daily flights there are regular 86J and 777 too.

Well, there was a period when they were in the worst condition. Since then CIVA, CIVO, and CIVT have received cabin refurbs to the same standard as the 86J planes, including new IFE, CIVC and CIVE are undergoing the refurbs right now, CIVP will follow once one of these returns to service. BNLY, CIVB, and CIVU are due to have the refurb at the end of the summer season. All these planes have retained their 52J seating plan.
BNLN is due for withdrawal this summer and won't get refurbished at all, CIVD, CIVJ, CIVK, CIVM, CIVN have had a "lite" refurb with new seat covers and a "deep clean" but retain the old IFE, and CIVL is waiting hangar space to get the same. So it is easy to work out which planes from the 52J configuration have a short life expectancy

Andy33 wrote:

george77300 wrote:

They do that because they are the worst condition of all BAs planes in terms of interior quality. They won’t send them on the main routes such as LAX, SFO. As for IAD they are two daily 787 and daily with the high-J 747. JFK is a regularly 52J route but with so many daily flights there are regular 86J and 777 too.

Well, there was a period when they were in the worst condition. Since then CIVA, CIVO, and CIVT have received cabin refurbs to the same standard as the 86J planes, including new IFE, CIVC and CIVE are undergoing the refurbs right now, CIVP will follow once one of these returns to service. BNLY, CIVB, and CIVU are due to have the refurb at the end of the summer season. All these planes have retained their 52J seating plan.
BNLN is due for withdrawal this summer and won't get refurbished at all, CIVD, CIVJ, CIVK, CIVM, CIVN have had a "lite" refurb with new seat covers and a "deep clean" but retain the old IFE, and CIVL is waiting hangar space to get the same. So it is easy to work out which planes from the 52J configuration have a short life expectancy

Oh I’m fully aware of the refurb status. Yes 9 will be good by the end of the year but they haven’t for the last number of years. Also the “deep clean” on the others is very much marketing nonsense. I was in CIVN at the end of last year and while I do like BA and the 747, they are dismal inside. Bits broken, IFE beyond dreadful. The deep clean hasn’t really fixed all the issues. The seats themselves are unchanged. Just had some new carpet and seat covers in Economy and Premium Economy. Improvement for sure but there is a reason they have been going to the less premium more leisure routes.

Cunard wrote:

The four former liveries that the airline has chosen are the most obvious choices for British Airways to celebrate their 100th anniversary.

I disagree; the four liveries are only celebrating their 73rd anniversary. They are the most obvious choices by a marketing department that has no interest in history other than the basis a useful PR campaign.

Imagine buying a book entitled "100 Years of British Airways*" but it only started from 1946. You'd feel a bit cheated.



* technically it should be "100 years of British amalgamated airlines" but I digress

wedgetail737 wrote:

I hope they will paint one with the British Caledonian paint scheme.

FFS.

We all know the four liveries and the aircraft they are going on. There won't be a BCAL or Dan Air or AT&T or British Asia or A380.

ELBOB wrote:

Cunard wrote:

The four former liveries that the airline has chosen are the most obvious choices for British Airways to celebrate their 100th anniversary.

I disagree; the four liveries are only celebrating their 73rd anniversary. They are the most obvious choices by a marketing department that has no interest in history other than the basis a useful PR campaign.

Imagine buying a book entitled "100 Years of British Airways*" but it only started from 1946. You'd feel a bit cheated.



* technically it should be "100 years of British amalgamated airlines" but I digress

Similar comments have been widely discussed on other threads and we all know the actual history of British Airways and we all seem to have different opinions on this subject but I think that your just being pedantic towards British Airways proclaiming it's 100th Anniversary.

Let's just forget the semantics behind the airlines history and go along with the fact that British Airways are celebrating their 100th Anniversary.

G-BYGC is 86J and the other two are 52J so the whole B744 network should see a retrojet on a regular basis.
BCAL were a competitor, a thorn in BA’s side for years, love them as I do, both them and Dan Air are a different animal than say Imperial Airways or Cambrian and Northeast.

george77300 wrote:

They do that because they are the worst condition of all BAs planes in terms of interior quality. They won’t send them on the main routes such as LAX, SFO. As for IAD they are two daily 787 and daily with the high-J 747. JFK is a regularly 52J route but with so many daily flights there are regular 86J and 777 too.

I flew CIVB DEN-LHR a couple weeks ago and the interior is straight out of 2000, in Y at least. Old, low resolution IFE and tired old seats. I haven't flown on any of BA's newer aircraft types. but I would imagine this has to be the worst longhaul Y product in the fleet.

It’s been interesting to see the variety of retro livery discussions unfold. As aviation enthusiasts, us lot who are the airliners.net community have a strong and natural interest in this PR exercise. Our affinity with and knowledge of the topic sure sparks lively debate!

Let’s remember that the wider public are the target audience, no us lot. That means BA has to consider more than whether the 747’s nose cone should be black. For example, much as an enthusiast might enjoy seeing Imperial Airways fly again, I’m not sure how well it would be received in a former colony?

I think it is a great exercise. The liveries chosen have enough brand recognition and positive affinity in the wider world.

I am delighted that BA have been celebrating a momentous year. BA and its predecessors have been exceptional airlines that have shaped the way we ALL fly across the world.

If there are any member of the Speedbird family reading this, your airline’s heritage is one that you can and should be justifiably proud of. I’d like to acknowledge your contribution to that heritage.

Have fun celebrating a centenary of British commercial aviation!

zappomatic wrote:

capshandler wrote:

I think they're preparing for a (needed) rebranding.

Unlikely - it's already been confirmed that the A350s will be delivered in the existing Chatham Dockyard livery, with the tail design also on both sides of the winglets. And personally I'd disagree that a rebranding is required. It still looks fresh and distinctive over 20 years after its introduction thanks to a few subtle tweaks over time.

Indeed - and the current livery is technically on its 3rd version now with the lighter shade of white and the crest.

I’m not sure how the A350 winglets will look mind - having the tail design on the winglet might make it rather tacky like Com airs fleet. Perhaps painting them in the belly blue or not at all would of looked just fine.

I hope we will see a British Caledonian livery at some point!

ual763 wrote:

I hope we will see a British Caledonian livery at some point!

Read posts 36 and 46 or thereabouts as there are some replies that maybe of interest seeing as the same comments have already been mentioned by another poster.

This is where I wish that a B789 or a B78X got the livery, since G-BNLY is close to retirement. Hopefully a B78X gets a retro livery once G-BNLY is retired. JFK typically only sees one low-J frame daily, while it usually sees high-J 744s more often. I'd hope that Landor becomes the new livery again.