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OAG Changes 3/3/2019: Air Italy Cancels Chicago Flights, United Cancels Massena (MSS)

Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:32 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

*4B ATL-GLH APR 0>0.9[0] MAY 0>0.9[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.9[0] AUG 0>0.8[0] SEP 0>0.9[0] OCT 0>0.9[0] NOV 0>0.8[0] DEC 0>0.9[0]
4B CEZ-PHX SEP 0>0.9[0.8] DEC 0>0.9[0.8]
4B CNM-DFW JUN 0>0.8[0.9] SEP 0>0.9[0.8] DEC 0>0.9[0.8]
4B DFW-GLH APR 0>1.7[0.4] MAY 0>1.7[0.4] JUN 0>1.7[0.9] JUL 0>1.7[0.9] AUG 0>1.7[0.9] SEP 0>1.7[0.8] OCT 0>1.7[0.9] NOV 0>1.7[0.9] DEC 0>1.7[0.8]

4P BKL-LUK JUN 0>1.3[0] AUG 0>1.4[1.5] OCT 0>1.2[1.5]

7H ANC-SNP APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.2[0] JUL 0>0.2[0] AUG 0>0.2[0] SEP 0>0.2[0] OCT 0>0.2[0] NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.2[0]
7H BET-SNP APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.2[0] JUL 0>0.2[0] AUG 0>0.2[0] SEP 0>0.2[0] OCT 0>0.2[0] NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.2[0]

7Q HPN-SRQ SEP 0.2>0[0]

9K ACK-EWB JUN 0.3>1.0[3] JUL 0.3>1.0[4] AUG 0.3>1.0[4] SEP 0.2>0.9[3] OCT 0.9>1.3[3]
9K ACK-HYA JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[6] SEP 4>5[5]
*9K ALB-BOS MAY 3>0.2[3] JUN 3>0[3] JUL 3>0[3] AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3]
*9K ALB-OGS MAY 3>0.2[3] JUN 3>0[3] JUL 3>0[3] AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3]

AA ATL-DFW SEP 8>9[8] OCT 8>9[8] NOV 8>9[8] DEC 8>9[7]
AA AUS-CLT JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[5] SEP 4>5[4] OCT 4>5[4] NOV 4>5[4] DEC 4>5[3]
AA BWI-CLT JUN 7>9[7] JUL 7>9[7] AUG 7>9[7] SEP 7>9[7] OCT 7>9[7] NOV 7>9[7] DEC 7>9[7]
AA CHO-CLT JUN 7>8[7] JUL 7>8[7] AUG 7>8[7] SEP 7>8[7] OCT 7>8[8] NOV 7>8[8] DEC 7>8[7]
AA CLT-CUN JUN 4>3[4] JUL 4>3[4]
AA CLT-DEN JUN 5>6[6] JUL 5>6[6] AUG 5>6[6] SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[5] NOV 5>6[6] DEC 5>6[5]
AA CLT-DTW JUN 7>6[7] JUL 7>6[7] AUG 7>6[7] SEP 7>6[6] OCT 7>6[6] NOV 7>6[6] DEC 7>6[6]
6 to 9 YOY! Poor NK.
*AA CLT-EWR JUN 7>9[7] JUL 7>9[6] AUG 7>9[6] SEP 7>9[6] OCT 7>9[7] NOV 7>9[6] DEC 7>9[6]
AA CLT-FAY JUN 6>7[7] JUL 6>7[7] AUG 6>7[7] SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[6] NOV 6>7[6] DEC 6>7[6]
AA CLT-FLL DEC 7>9[6]
AA CLT-FLO JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[4] SEP 3>4[4] OCT 3>4[4] NOV 3>4[4] DEC 3>4[3]
AA CLT-GSO JUN 8>9[9] JUL 8>9[9] AUG 8>9[9] SEP 8>9[9] OCT 8>9[9] NOV 8>9[9] DEC 8>9[8]
AA CLT-GSP JUL 7>8[7] AUG 7>8[8] SEP 7>8[8] OCT 7>8[9] NOV 7>8[8] DEC 7>8[8]
AA CLT-IAD JUN 8>7[8] JUL 8>7[8] AUG 8>7[8] SEP 8>7[8] OCT 8>7[8] NOV 8>7[7] DEC 8>7[7]
AA CLT-JFK MAY 6>7[6]
AA CLT-LAX JUN 6>8[6] JUL 6>8[6] AUG 6>8[6] SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[6] NOV 6>7[6] DEC 6>7[6]
AA CLT-MCO JUN 10>11[9] JUL 10>11[9] AUG 10>11[9] SEP 10>11[9] OCT 10>11[9] NOV 10>11[9] DEC 10>11[9]
AA CLT-MHT JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[4] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3] NOV 3>4[3] DEC 3>4[3]
AA CLT-MYR JUN 9>8[9] JUL 9>8[9] AUG 9>8[9] SEP 9>8[9] OCT 9>8[9] NOV 9>8[9] DEC 9>8[8]
AA CLT-OAJ JUN 7>6[6] JUL 7>6[6] AUG 7>6[6] SEP 7>6[7] OCT 7>6[6] NOV 7>6[6] DEC 7>6[5]
AA CLT-ORD JUN 9>10[9] JUL 9>10[9] AUG 9>10[9] SEP 9>10[9] OCT 9>10[9] NOV 9>10[9] DEC 9>10[9]
AA CLT-PDX JUN 1.8>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.9] AUG 2>1.0[1.4] SEP 2>1.0[1.4] OCT 2>1.0[1.4] NOV 2>1.0[1.3] DEC 2>1.0[1.1]
AA CLT-SAN JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3] NOV 3>4[3] DEC 3>4[3]
AA CLT-SFO JUN 6>5[6] JUL 6>5[6] AUG 6>5[5] SEP 6>5[5] OCT 6>5[5] NOV 6>5[5] DEC 6>5[5]
AA CLT-SYR JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[4] SEP 3>4[4] OCT 3>4[4] NOV 3>4[4] DEC 3>4[4]
AA CLT-TPA JUN 9>8[8] JUL 9>8[8] AUG 9>8[8] SEP 9>8[9]
AA CLT-YYZ JUN 4>5[4] JUL 4>5[4] AUG 4>5[4] SEP 4>5[4] OCT 4>5[4] NOV 4>5[4] DEC 4>5[3]
AA DFW-HSV JUN 5>6[4] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5] SEP 5>6[4] OCT 5>6[4] NOV 5>6[4] DEC 5>6[4]
AA DFW-JAX SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[5] NOV 5>6[5] DEC 5>6[4]
AA DFW-LBB JUN 7>8[6] JUL 7>8[6] AUG 7>8[6]
AA DFW-RNO SEP 2>3[2.0] OCT 2>3[2.0]
AA KOA-LAX SEP 1.7>1.0[1.1] OCT 1.6>1.0[1.0]
AA KOA-PHX OCT 0.7>0.9[0.9]
AA OMA-PHX JUN 1.8>1.0[2.0] JUL 2>1.0[2.0] AUG 2>1.0[2] SEP 2>1.0[2.0] OCT 2>1.0[2] NOV 2>1.0[1.9] DEC 2>1.0[1.9]
AA ORD-SGF JUN 4>5[4] JUL 4>5[4] AUG 4>5[4] SEP 4>5[4] OCT 4>5[4] NOV 4>5[4] DEC 4>5[4]
AA ORD-YYC SEP 0.3>1.1[0.1] OCT 0>1.0[0]
AA PHX-PIT JUN 1.8>1.0[2] JUL 2>1.0[2.0] AUG 2>1.0[1.9] SEP 2>1.0[1.7] OCT 2>1.0[1.9] NOV 2>1.0[1.7] DEC 2>1.0[1.7]
AA PHX-YVR JUN 1.8>1.0[1.9] JUL 2>1.0[2] AUG 2>1.0[1.9] SEP 2>1.0[1.7] OCT 2>1.0[1.1] NOV 2>1.0[1.0] DEC 2>1.0[1.4]

Hawtorne Field.
*AN HHR-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0.1] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]
*AN HHR-PHX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]

AS ANC-SCC AUG 1.4>1.8[1.4]

B6 ACK-JFK SEP 3>2[3] OCT 1.1>0.8[0.9]
*B6 BDL-DCA JUL 2>0.5[2] AUG 2>0[2] SEP 1.7>0[1.9] OCT 1.6>0[2]
*B6 BOS-DCA JUL 10>12[9] AUG 10>13[9] SEP 10>12[9] OCT 9>11[10]
B6 BOS-EWR SEP 5>6[5] OCT 4>5[5]
B6 BUF-JFK SEP 7>6[7] OCT 6>5[7]
B6 DCA-FLL OCT 3>4[5]
B6 DCA-RSW OCT 1.4>0.8[1.1]
*B6 DCA-TPA JUL 1.0>0.2[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 0.8>0[1.0]
B6 FLL-SDQ MAY 2>1.3[1.0]

DL ALB-ATL SEP 3>4[3]
DL ALB-MSP DEC 0.9>0.3[0.3]
DL ATL-GPT SEP 4>5[4]
DL ATL-OAK SEP 0.6>1.0[0]
DL ATL-PAP APR 1.0>0.7[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUN 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.7[1.0] AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0]
DL ATL-PWM DEC 1.6>1.1[0.9]
DL ATL-TRI OCT 6>5[6] NOV 6>5[6]
DL AVP-DTW DEC 2>1.9[2.0]
DL BDL-DTW SEP 4>5[4]
DL BOS-DCA DEC 4>5[0]
DL BOS-MCI SEP 1.7>2[1.6] OCT 1.8>3[1.8] NOV 1.3>2[1.3] DEC 1.5>2[1.5]
DL CVG-IAH DEC 0.6>1.1[0.6]
DL DTW-LIT SEP 0.7>0.9[0.7]
DL DTW-SAN OCT 2>3[2] NOV 2>3[2]
DL LAS-SLC NOV 6>5[6]
DL LAX-RDU MAY 1.4>1.0[1.9] DEC 1.0>1.4[1.2]
DL MSP-RHI AUG 2>3[2]
DL MSP-SBN DEC 1.5>1.0[1.0]
DL MSP-YUL NOV 1.6>0.8[1.0] DEC 1.6>0.9[0.9]
DL PHL-SLC JUN 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUL 0.9>1.4[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.6[1.0] SEP 0.8>1.5[0.8] OCT 0.8>1.4[0.8] NOV 0.8>1.4[0.8] DEC 0.8>1.5[0.8]

F8 AZA-YEG APR 0>0.3[0]
F8 LAS-YEG APR 0>0.3[0]

*F9 ABQ-MCO MAY 0.4>0[0.4] JUN 0.4>0[0.4] JUL 0.4>0[0.4]
F9 AUS-DTW MAY 0.6>0.2[0.4]
F9 AUS-MSP MAY 0.4>0.2[0.6]
Quite a few ONT routes were trimmed
*F9 AUS-ONT MAY 0.6>0[0.5] JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0.4[0.5]
F9 AUS-SEA MAY 0.3>0.1[0.5]
F9 AUS-SFO MAY 0.4>0.2[0]
F9 BUF-DEN MAY 1.0>0.7[0.5] JUN 1.0>0.7[0.6] JUL 1.0>0.7[0.6]
F9 BUF-MCO MAY 0.7>1.0[0.5] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.6]
F9 CID-DEN MAY 0.7>0.5[0.6]
F9 CLE-DEN MAY 1.0>1.4[1.0]
F9 CLE-MCO JUN 1.4>1.1[1.2] JUL 1.4>1.1[1.1]
F9 CLT-PHL MAY 0.6>1.0[0.5] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
F9 CMH-RDU JUL 0.6>0.4[0]
F9 COS-LAS MAY 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUL 1.0>1.3[1.0]
F9 CVG-RSW MAY 0.3>0.6[0.5] JUN 0.3>0.6[0.6] JUL 0.3>0.5[0.5]
F9 DEN-GSP MAY 0.3>0.5[0] JUN 0.3>0.6[0] JUL 0.3>0.6[0]
F9 DEN-IAH MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 0.4>0.7[1.0]
F9 DEN-IND JUL 1.0>0.8[0.5]
F9 DEN-OMA JUL 0.7>0.5[0.8]
F9 DEN-PHX MAY 1.4>1.8[1.5] JUN 1.4>1.9[1.4] JUL 1.4>1.8[1.5]
F9 DEN-RSW MAY 0.9>0.5[0.5]
F9 DEN-SAN MAY 1.6>2[1.5] JUN 1.6>2[1.7] JUL 1.6>2[1.7]
F9 DEN-SEA MAY 1.6>2.0[1.5] JUN 1.6>2[1.6] JUL 1.6>2.0[1.5]
F9 DEN-SFO MAY 1.4>2[1.5] JUN 1.9>2[1.6] JUL 1.9>2[1.5] AUG 0.7>0.9[1.6]
F9 DEN-SNA MAY 1.0>1.4[2] JUN 1.0>1.4[2] JUL 1.0>1.4[2]
F9 DEN-STL MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 0.4>0.7[1.0]
F9 DTW-LAS MAY 0.4>0.6[0]
*F9 IAD-SAT MAY 0.4>0[0.3] JUN 0.4>0[0.3]
F9 LAS-MCO MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUN 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.7[1.0]
F9 LAS-SMF MAY 0.6>1.0[0] JUN 0.6>1.0[0] JUL 0.6>1.0[0]
F9 MCO-ONT MAY 1.0>0.7[0] JUN 1.0>0.7[0] JUL 1.0>0.7[0]
F9 MCO-ORD MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUN 1.0>0.7[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.7[1.0]
F9 MCO-ORF MAY 0.6>0.3[0] JUN 0.6>0.3[0] JUL 0.6>0.3[0]
F9 MCO-RDU MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.4] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
*F9 MCO-SAN JUN 0>0.7[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
*F9 MSP-RDU MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0.5]
*F9 ONT-SAT MAY 0.4>0[0.5] JUN 0.4>0[0.4]
*F9 PBI-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]

This appears to be gone. Flight is no longer on their website. I wonder if this is related to the US3 vs. ME3 stuff this route stirred up?
*IG MXP-ORD MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0] AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0]

*KG DEN-TEX MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>0.5[0]

KX GCM-ORD MAY 0.3>0[0]
KX GCM-TPA NOV 0.7>1.0[0.7] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.7]

SE CDG-EWR NOV 0.3>0.7[0] DEC 0>0.6[0]

*SY AUS-GPT AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.3[0] OCT 0>0.3[0] NOV 0>0.3[0]
*SY GPT-RSW AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.3[0] OCT 0>0.3[0] NOV 0>0.3[0]
SY MSP-PHX JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0.5>0.8[0.5]

TR HNL-KIX MAY 0.5>0.1[0.6]

UA ANC-DEN AUG 1.6>2[1.6] SEP 1.0>2[1.0] OCT 1.0>1.8[1.0]
UA ASE-IAH AUG 0.6>1.0[0.7] SEP 0>1.0[0]
UA ASE-LAX SEP 2>1.1[1.1]
UA AVL-EWR SEP 0.3>1.0[1.0] OCT 0>0.8[1.0]
UA BNA-SFO AUG 3>1.8[2.0]
UA BOI-SFO AUG 5>6[5]
UA BTV-EWR SEP 6>5[6]
UA BTV-IAD SEP 4>3[4] OCT 4>3[4]
UA BUF-IAD SEP 4>3[4]
UA BUF-ORD SEP 6>5[5]
UA BWI-DEN SEP 2>3[1.9]
UA BWI-IAH SEP 1.9>3[1.9]
UA BZN-SFO AUG 1.4>1.1[2]
UA CHO-IAD SEP 3>2[3]
UA CHS-EWR SEP 5>4[4]
UA CHS-IAD SEP 4>3[3]
UA CHS-IAH SEP 3>2[3]
UA CMH-ORD SEP 8>7[7]
UA COS-IAH SEP 3>4[4]
UA CRP-IAH SEP 7>6[6]
UA CVG-IAD SEP 4>3[4]
UA DAY-ORD SEP 7>6[6]
UA DEN-ELP SEP 5>4[5]
UA DEN-EUG SEP 2>3[3]
UA DEN-FSD SEP 4>5[4]
UA DEN-GEG SEP 2>3[3]
UA DEN-GTF SEP 2>3[3]
UA DEN-GUC SEP 1.1>2[1.1]
UA DEN-IAD SEP 8>7[7]
UA DEN-IAH SEP 11>10[9]
UA DEN-MCI SEP 5>6[6]
UA DEN-MKE SEP 3>2[1.8]
UA DEN-MOT SEP 2>3[2.0]
UA DEN-MSN SEP 3>2[1.8]
UA DEN-MTJ SEP 3>4[4]
UA DEN-OKC SEP 5>6[5]
UA DEN-ORD SEP 12>11[11]
UA DEN-PHX SEP 6>5[4]
UA DEN-TPA SEP 3>2[1.8]
UA DEN-TUS SEP 5>4[4]
UA DFW-ORD SEP 7>8[7]
UA DLH-ORD SEP 3>4[4]
UA DSM-ORD SEP 7>5[6]
UA DTW-ORD SEP 7>8[8]
UA ECP-IAH SEP 2>3[3]
UA EWR-GSO SEP 5>4[4]
UA EWR-LAS SEP 6>7[8]
UA EWR-MEM SEP 4>3[3]
UA EWR-ORD SEP 9>10[9]
UA EWR-ORF SEP 6>5[5]
UA EWR-PBI SEP 5>4[4]
UA EWR-PIT SEP 9>8[8]
UA EWR-ROC SEP 5>4[5]
UA EWR-SYR SEP 4>3[4]
UA FAT-ORD SEP 0.1>1.0[0.1] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0]
UA FLL-IAD SEP 2>1.0[1.0]
UA GRR-IAH AUG 1.5>1.8[1.9] SEP 1.0>1.9[1.9]
UA GSP-IAD SEP 4>3[4]
UA GSP-ORD SEP 4>3[4]
UA IAD-IAH SEP 5>4[4]
UA IAD-LAX SEP 9>8[7]
UA IAD-MCI SEP 3>2[2]
MSS was very short lived. No longer bookable on UA.com.
*UA IAD-MSS MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0] AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0] NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0]
UA IAD-OGS MAY 0.3>0.9[0] JUN 0.4>1.0[0] JUL 0.4>1.0[0] AUG 0.4>1.0[0] SEP 0.4>1.0[0] OCT 0.4>1.0[0] NOV 0.4>1.0[0] DEC 0.4>1.0[0]
*UA MSS-OGS MAY 1.3>0[0] JUN 1.4>0[0] JUL 1.4>0[0] AUG 1.4>0[0] SEP 1.4>0[0] OCT 1.4>0[0] NOV 1.4>0[0] DEC 1.4>0[0]
UA OGS-ORD MAY 0.9>0.7[0] JUN 1.0>0.7[0] JUL 1.0>0.7[0] AUG 1.0>0.7[0] SEP 1.0>0.7[0] OCT 1.0>0.7[0] NOV 1.0>0.7[0] DEC 1.0>0.7[0]
UA IAD-ORD SEP 6>5[6]
UA IAD-ROA SEP 3>2[3]
UA IAD-SAV SEP 4>3[3]
UA IAD-SCE SEP 3>2[2]
UA IAD-SEA SEP 4>3[3]
UA IAD-TYS SEP 4>3[4]
UA IAH-LAS SEP 7>6[6]
UA IAH-LAX SEP 12>10[10]
UA IAH-LBB SEP 4>3[4]
UA IAH-MLU SEP 3>1.9[3]
UA IAH-ORD SEP 10>9[9]
UA IAH-ORF AUG 1.6>2[1.4] SEP 1.0>2[1.8]
UA IAH-PDX SEP 3>2[2]
UA IAH-RDU SEP 5>4[4]
UA IAH-RNO SEP 0.3>1.0[0.2]
UA IAH-RSW AUG 1.4>1.0[1.1] SEP 2>1.0[1.0]
UA IAH-SDF SEP 3>4[4]
UA IAH-SEA SEP 6>5[5]
UA IAH-SLC SEP 4>5[4]
UA IAH-SNA SEP 5>4[5]
UA IAH-TUS SEP 3>2[3]
UA IAH-XNA SEP 4>5[4]
UA IAH-YVR AUG 1.6>2[1.0]
UA IND-ORD SEP 8>9[9]
UA LAS-SFO AUG 9>12[10]
UA LAX-MRY SEP 4>5[4]
UA LAX-ORD SEP 11>10[10]
UA LAX-PHX SEP 3>4[3]
UA LAX-SFO AUG 12>15[15]
UA LAX-YVR AUG 1.6>2.0[1.6] SEP 1.0>2[1.0]
UA LIH-SFO DEC 2>1.6[2]
UA MCO-ORD SEP 6>5[5]
UA MIA-ORD SEP 3>2[3]
UA MSN-SFO AUG 1.0>2[1.0]
UA OMA-ORD SEP 6>5[5]
UA ORD-ORF SEP 3>4[4]
UA ORD-PHL SEP 6>7[6]
UA ORD-PNS SEP 2>1.0[1.3]
UA ORD-RAP SEP 4>3[3]
UA ORD-RNO AUG 0.6>1.0[0.7] SEP 0>1.0[0.0] OCT 0>0.8[0]
UA ORD-SDF SEP 7>6[6]
UA ORD-SGF SEP 4>5[4]
UA ORD-XNA SEP 3>4[4]
UA ORD-YVR SEP 2>3[3]
UA PHL-SFO SEP 1.5>2[1.9]
UA SEA-SFO AUG 10>13[11]

VB GDL-IAH JUL 0>0.3[0]
VB IAH-MTY JUL 0>1.0[0.4] AUG 0>0.6[0.4]
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Thank you Enilria for posting!

Woah DL giving PHL-SLC from multiple flights daily? I'm happy Delta giving phl little tiny love. I'm wondering if this is to slowly enforce the SLC hub
 
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Nice, AA still has the A321 going on CLT-DTW. Look forward to using it more going between SRQ & DTW.
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Thank you Enilria for posting!

Woah DL giving PHL-SLC from multiple flights daily? I'm happy Delta giving phl little tiny love. I'm wondering if this is to slowly enforce the SLC hub

Thanks :)

SLC still has very little ULCC service (oddly). I wonder if they are shoring up some at risk markets.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:48 pm

Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

enilria wrote:
DL DTW-LIT SEP 0.7>0.9[0.7]


I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.
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AA CLT-PDX JUN 1.8>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.9] AUG 2>1.0[1.4] SEP 2>1.0[1.4] OCT 2>1.0[1.4] NOV 2>1.0[1.3] DEC 2>1.0[1.1]

It's a shame that they can't seem to make that second CLT flight work.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:08 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:21 pm

does KG list equip type DEN-TEX?
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:34 pm

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*4B ATL-GLH APR 0>0.9[0] MAY 0>0.9[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.9[0] AUG 0>0.8[0] SEP 0>0.9[0] OCT 0>0.9[0] NOV 0>0.8[0] DEC 0>0.9[0]

4B DFW-GLH APR 0>1.7[0.4] MAY 0>1.7[0.4] JUN 0>1.7[0.9] JUL 0>1.7[0.9] AUG 0>1.7[0.9] SEP 0>1.7[0.8] OCT 0>1.7[0.9] NOV 0>1.7[0.9] DEC 0>1.7[0.8]


ATL is a nice pickup for GLH. Is Boutique shifting the EAS service from BNA to ATL, or keeping BNA, too?
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:35 pm

Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:36 pm

I wonder why the WOW Air DTW-KEF flight going from 4 to 5 weekly this summer hasn't shown up here yet ? It's bookable on their website.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:38 pm

enilria wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?

XNA has MSP service it give better access to West and Canada, plus has several local industries oriented toward consumer products, agriculture, retail, and logistics. It gives them good access to the Canada markets. DTW doesn't have much that can't be accessed over ATL and doesn't have the complimentary businesses/industries to as great an extent.

I am actually surprised that LIT doesn't have MSP service. Its been an on-again/off-again flight for DTW over the years.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:41 pm

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Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?


They realized the runway and airport didn’t meet the requirements for a CRJ200 to land there , I find it weird that the airline didn’t look into this before applying for the route.
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RJNUT wrote:
does KG list equip type DEN-TEX?

PL2
Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

:)
klm617 wrote:
4 to 5 weekly this summer hasn't shown up here yet

I suspect it's not a large enough increase to hit the minimum filter.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:43 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?


They realized the runway and airport didn’t meet the requirements for a CRJ200 to land there , I find it weird that the airline didn’t look into this before applying for the route.


Really? I guess that means Cape Air coming back to BOS is the most likely scenario.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:43 pm

enilria wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?


Bentonville-based Walmart actually does a significant amount of business with a few major companies that are headquartered in the Twin Cities metropolitan area, including 3M, General Mills, and Land O'Lakes, and the business relationships that Walmart has with these Twin Cities-based companies are probably driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service. It is not just simply international connections to China that is driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service on DL.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:46 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?


The runway didn’t meet the requirements for CRJ’s. Boutique will continue to serve BOS.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:59 pm

Great adds for CLT!
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:02 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?

The runway is too short.

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:04 pm

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enilria wrote:

Hawthorne Field.
*AN HHR-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0.1] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]
*AN HHR-PHX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]


A commercial flight from Hawthorne Field to LAX? Four nautical miles? Not that I would think they'd be able to just lift off and join the queue for landing - that would cause some sharp turns and some staggered arrival patterns just for one small aircraft. I can picture them having to do a complete 360-degree loop, join the landing pattern at a certain height, and then land.

If true, would that make HHR-LAX America's shortest ever commercial flight?

I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:05 pm

enilria wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Thank you Enilria for posting!

Woah DL giving PHL-SLC from multiple flights daily? I'm happy Delta giving phl little tiny love. I'm wondering if this is to slowly enforce the SLC hub

Thanks :)

SLC still has very little ULCC service (oddly). I wonder if they are shoring up some at risk markets.


There is a gate problem right now at SLC with the new airport being built. There will be a shortage of gates for a while yet. AS wants more and can't get anymore. As the old concourses will start to be taken out, there will be an even bigger problem until the new concourses are operational.
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Hawtorne Field.
*AN HHR-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0.1] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]
*AN HHR-PHX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]


AN is Advanced Air which is based at Hawthorne Municipal Airport in California.

AN just began EAS service in January from Silver City NM (SVC) to PHX and ABQ. The flights replace the previous Boutique Air service.

HHR-PHX may be to rotate aircraft to operate the SVC service. But the HHR-LAX is curious.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:09 pm

jplatts wrote:
enilria wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?


Bentonville-based Walmart actually does a significant amount of business with a few major companies that are headquartered in the Twin Cities metropolitan area, including 3M, General Mills, and Land O'Lakes, and the business relationships that Walmart has with these Twin Cities-based companies are probably driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service. It is not just simply international connections to China that is driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service on DL.


Additional traffic may result from Walmart's largest competitor, Target, being headquartered in the Twin Cities. I'd imagine there are some sales people trying to set up schedules so they can pitch both retailers on one business trip. Also, many major companies have set up large offices in XNA to work with Walmart, and they may from time to time pull people from that office to work with Target and would want that XNA-MSP link. The same would apply for any company with a Target focused office in MSP that needs a little help down in XNA.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:20 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?


They realized the runway and airport didn’t meet the requirements for a CRJ200 to land there , I find it weird that the airline didn’t look into this before applying for the route.


Really? I guess that means Cape Air coming back to BOS is the most likely scenario.


Boutique is the airline that currently serves MSS, and they said they (Boutique) have been signed up for another EAS contract term. This also means Albany will loose nonstop service to Boston because the EAS at Ogdensburg was awarded to SkyWest, Cape Air is discontinuing OGS-ALB-BOS
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:22 pm

Advanced Air also said they would begin a weekend flight between ABQ and BUR in January. That hasn't happened yet.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:23 pm

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UA FAT-ORD SEP 0.1>1.0[0.1] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0]


We've been discussing this in the FAT thread, but I feel like this deserves a star! Going from zero service to seasonal E-jet service to nearly year-round mainline service (year-round still a possibility) in just over a year's time is pretty noteworthy!
 
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UA FAT-ORD SEP 0.1>1.0[0.1] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0]

Nice to see this route continue to grow. It started in 2018 as an E175 operating seasonally for the summer months. It returned this year with an earlier start date and upgauged to an A319. Now it is being extended past Labor Day.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:24 pm

flyfresno wrote:
enilria wrote:
UA FAT-ORD SEP 0.1>1.0[0.1] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0]


We've been discussing this in the FAT thread, but I feel like this deserves a star! Going from zero service to seasonal E-jet service to nearly year-round mainline service (year-round still a possibility) in just over a year's time is pretty noteworthy!

Great minds and all that. :D
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:38 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
enilria wrote:

Hawthorne Field.
*AN HHR-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0.1] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]
*AN HHR-PHX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]


A commercial flight from Hawthorne Field to LAX? Four nautical miles? Not that I would think they'd be able to just lift off and join the queue for landing - that would cause some sharp turns and some staggered arrival patterns just for one small aircraft. I can picture them having to do a complete 360-degree loop, join the landing pattern at a certain height, and then land.

If true, would that make HHR-LAX America's shortest ever commercial flight?

I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

ImageImageImage


This looks like a schedule maint repo to Triumph, not passenger service. Where could you park at Hawthorne?
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:52 pm

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PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:


A commercial flight from Hawthorne Field to LAX? Four nautical miles? Not that I would think they'd be able to just lift off and join the queue for landing - that would cause some sharp turns and some staggered arrival patterns just for one small aircraft. I can picture them having to do a complete 360-degree loop, join the landing pattern at a certain height, and then land.

If true, would that make HHR-LAX America's shortest ever commercial flight?

I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

ImageImageImage


This looks like a schedule maint repo to Triumph, not passenger service. Where could you park at Hawthorne?


Valid point.

Question then for those in know: If a flight is listed here, does that mean it is a flight for sale? If not, why would an airline list it with the OAG if it is just a repositioning flight?
 
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FlyingElvii wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

A commercial flight from Hawthorne Field to LAX? Four nautical miles? Not that I would think they'd be able to just lift off and join the queue for landing - that would cause some sharp turns and some staggered arrival patterns just for one small aircraft. I can picture them having to do a complete 360-degree loop, join the landing pattern at a certain height, and then land.

If true, would that make HHR-LAX America's shortest ever commercial flight?

I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

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This looks like a schedule maint repo to Triumph, not passenger service. Where could you park at Hawthorne?


Valid point.

Question then for those in know: If a flight is listed here, does that mean it is a flight for sale? If not, why would an airline list it with the OAG if it is just a repositioning flight?


HHR-PHX is for sale, can’t find HHR-LAX.

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:05 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

A commercial flight from Hawthorne Field to LAX? Four nautical miles? Not that I would think they'd be able to just lift off and join the queue for landing - that would cause some sharp turns and some staggered arrival patterns just for one small aircraft. I can picture them having to do a complete 360-degree loop, join the landing pattern at a certain height, and then land.

If true, would that make HHR-LAX America's shortest ever commercial flight?

I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

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This looks like a schedule maint repo to Triumph, not passenger service. Where could you park at Hawthorne?


Valid point.

Question then for those in know: If a flight is listed here, does that mean it is a flight for sale? If not, why would an airline list it with the OAG if it is just a repositioning flight?


It’s a data issue, generally with repositioning flights. Sports charter repositions show up sometimes too (you’ll see stuff like IAH-MHK or ATL-COU).
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:12 pm

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Advanced Air also said they would begin a weekend flight between ABQ and BUR in January. That hasn't happened yet.


I think now they will rotate an A/C in thru PHX rather than ABQ. They thought they might pick up some movie folks on that ABQ-BUR flight due to a Netflix connection.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:34 pm

I was just thinking about AN's HHR-LAX filing.

Last year, Advanced Air made an unsuccessful bid for Prescott's EAS. In that proposal AN said they would operate a ground shuttle between HHR and LAX for passengers. They did not receive the Prescott contract.

But, AN also operates flights for Surf Air from Advanced Air's HHR FBO.

I wonder if HHR-LAX is somehow connected to the Surf Air contract, perhaps as a ground link not a flight.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:37 pm

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Dominion301 wrote:
Thanks as always for this.

For MSS, didn’t Skywest just recently win the EAS bid? What’s going to happen there I wonder? Perhaps switch to DL branded Skywest ops to BOS or DTW?

The runway is too short.


It's a Class II airport. No 50-seat airplanes.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:46 pm

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There is a gate problem right now at SLC with the new airport being built. There will be a shortage of gates for a while yet. AS wants more and can't get anymore. As the old concourses will start to be taken out, there will be an even bigger problem until the new concourses are operational.

I must ask for source on your statement that AS wants more gate space at SLC.

I just worked out the SLC turn-schedule for AS Effective March 10 and here's what AS is offering: 9 departures to 5 destinations -- SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX & SAN -- using 2 gates (with 3 RONs every night.)

When AS began their 'serious' SLC service in June 2014, they offered 13 departures to 8 destinations using 2 gates. Between then and now, they have gradually reduced flights, cut 3 destinations (SJC, LAS & just this week BOI) yet kept multiple RONs and continue using the 2 gates that they've always had there.

IMO, since AS still seems to have access to 2 gates at SLC, there's no reason they couldn't be operating 13 or more flights, and could have even increased the number of routes they fly from there. But instead, all numbers have decreased over the last 5 years. Also, all routes from SLC are now flown on EMJs with the exception of SEA that still sees 3 737s. (When service began in SLC, the majority of AS's flights -- 7 -- were flown with 737s, 3 with CRJs, & 3 Qs. Mark that down as another overall decrease in AS service.

I've watched the AAG SLC service ever since it started and it's quite clear to me that the entire SLC experiment has proved relatively unsuccessful. I seriously doubt that AS has any growth desire at SLC. Since they now serve (only) their top 5 west coast destinations/hubs/focus cities, they are probably quite satisfied with their ops at SLC.

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:47 pm

Not surprised with F9's trims in ONT. Since the several times I've been there Y4, UA, B6, AS, and CI have there lines while the ticket counter at F9 has always been close to empty.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 3/3/2019: Air Italy Cancels Chicago Flights, United Cancels Massena (MSS)

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:48 pm

jplatts wrote:
enilria wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for your work to put this together.

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
I'd be interested to see what drives the difference in XNA and LIT, in that XNA has MSP service and LIT has DTW service.

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?


Bentonville-based Walmart actually does a significant amount of business with a few major companies that are headquartered in the Twin Cities metropolitan area, including 3M, General Mills, and Land O'Lakes, and the business relationships that Walmart has with these Twin Cities-based companies are probably driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service. It is not just simply international connections to China that is driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service on DL.

I wasn't meaning necessarily traffic to China, but Chinese companies tend to have their offices on the West Coast and MSP may be DL's best West hub for XNA.
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The runway didn’t meet the requirements for CRJ’s. Boutique will continue to serve BOS.

Wow. That hurts. Might have been worth analyzing before bidding. I wonder if they knew this and somehow did it to split off OGS from MSS for political reasons.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
I'm not questioning your information, but I am questioning Advanced Air's filing - did they perhaps mean Hawthorne, NV (HTH)?

The level of frequency being so low tells me it is likely a ferry that they decided to try to sell tickets on. It may also be a pure ferry and be published with no inventory.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Question then for those in know: If a flight is listed here, does that mean it is a flight for sale? If not, why would an airline list it with the OAG if it is just a repositioning flight?

It may not be for sale. That would require the airline to offer inventory on the flight. If the inventory is zero it would not appear on any booking sites. It may be listed in OAG just because they are too lazy to have an internal schedule (with positioning flights) and an external schedule (without positioning flights). We often see charter setup flights and sports charters from UA in OAG that have zero inventory for sale. It may also have to do with other data systems they use for flight plans or crew that use OAG as a schedule source. Maybe even FAA prefers they be in a schedule source they can access. There are a lot of possibilities.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:53 pm

enilria wrote:
This appears to be gone. Flight is no longer on their website. I wonder if this is related to the US3 vs. ME3 stuff this route stirred up?
*IG MXP-ORD MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0] AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0]

Kinda surprised nobody is discussing this. This was not previously known was it? Google doesn't have any threads or news of it. If you go to the Air Italy site, Chicago was no longer selectable as a station as of earlier this morning when I checked.

I'm a little incredulous it sucked that much. Chicago has a large Italian population. I don't believe they pulled it after 7 or 8 weeks of bookings because nobody was booking. There's got to be a lot more to this story. My theories are:

1) They suspended sale because of a glitch they are unaware of
2) There is a fleet change that took the plane
3) The US3 drove them out with crazy pricing (unlikely)
4) The US3 were getting traction with their crazy argument that IG is QR in a fake mustache. That one is particularly crazy since DL is attempting to acquire a large stake in AZ.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:53 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
enilria wrote:
Hawtorne Field.
*AN HHR-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0.1] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]
*AN HHR-PHX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0]


AN is Advanced Air which is based at Hawthorne Municipal Airport in California.

AN just began EAS service in January from Silver City NM (SVC) to PHX and ABQ. The flights replace the previous Boutique Air service.

HHR-PHX may be to rotate aircraft to operate the SVC service. But the HHR-LAX is curious.


A whole lot of these types of flights are popping up in the LA area. See FLOAT for example.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 3/3/2019: Air Italy Cancels Chicago Flights, United Cancels Massena (MSS)

Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:05 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
This appears to be gone. Flight is no longer on their website. I wonder if this is related to the US3 vs. ME3 stuff this route stirred up?
*IG MXP-ORD MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0] AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0]

Kinda surprised nobody is discussing this. This was not previously known was it? Google doesn't have any threads or news of it. If you go to the Air Italy site, Chicago was no longer selectable as a station as of earlier this morning when I checked.

I'm a little incredulous it sucked that much. Chicago has a large Italian population. I don't believe they pulled it after 7 or 8 weeks of bookings because nobody was booking. There's got to be a lot more to this story. My theories are:

1) They suspended sale because of a glitch they are unaware of
2) There is a fleet change that took the plane
3) The US3 drove them out with crazy pricing (unlikely)
4) The US3 were getting traction with their crazy argument that IG is QR in a fake mustache. That one is particularly crazy since DL is attempting to acquire a large stake in AZ.

Air Italy announced this, maybe a month ago. Same time the India flights were cut. In the announcement ORD is to start in 2020.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:28 pm

SANFan wrote:
ridgid727 wrote:
There is a gate problem right now at SLC with the new airport being built. There will be a shortage of gates for a while yet. AS wants more and can't get anymore. As the old concourses will start to be taken out, there will be an even bigger problem until the new concourses are operational.

I must ask for source on your statement that AS wants more gate space at SLC.

I just worked out the SLC turn-schedule for AS Effective March 10 and here's what AS is offering: 9 departures to 5 destinations -- SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX & SAN -- using 2 gates (with 3 RONs every night.)

When AS began their 'serious' SLC service in June 2014, they offered 13 departures to 8 destinations using 2 gates. Between then and now, they have gradually reduced flights, cut 3 destinations (SJC, LAS & just this week BOI) yet kept multiple RONs and continue using the 2 gates that they've always had there.

IMO, since AS still seems to have access to 2 gates at SLC, there's no reason they couldn't be operating 13 or more flights, and could have even increased the number of routes they fly from there. But instead, all numbers have decreased over the last 5 years. Also, all routes from SLC are now flown on EMJs with the exception of SEA that still sees 3 737s. (When service began in SLC, the majority of AS's flights -- 7 -- were flown with 737s, 3 with CRJs, & 3 Qs. Mark that down as another overall decrease in AS service.

I've watched the AAG SLC service ever since it started and it's quite clear to me that the entire SLC experiment has proved relatively unsuccessful. I seriously doubt that AS has any growth desire at SLC. Since they now serve (only) their top 5 west coast destinations/hubs/focus cities, they are probably quite satisfied with their ops at SLC.

bb

I'm not sure where you get the Idea that AS could or should offer more flights, They offer the flights that correspond with their resources, If you have information to the contrary ? Then might I suggest you post it? Because I think you're talking through your HAT!!
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:37 pm

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414401&p=21086905&hilit=Air+Italy+ord#p21086905

There’s the thread on Air Italy from about a month ago. Didn’t really spark a massive discussion on the ORD portion, although it is interesting.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:33 pm

UA MSN-SFO AUG 1.0>2[1.0]
Seems like this should be bigger news although it just transfers a frequency from DEN to SFO...
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:32 pm

This was announced a few weeks ago and is gone for good. Chicago has lots of people of Italian descent. But that doesn’t mean they’re all going back all the time. Air Italy doesn’t have much of a network beyond Milan- they’ve been cutting. So really this flight was supposed to work based on questionable local demand. The airline has major issues and they probably just decided to cut the route that had the worst advanced bookings

quote="enilria"]
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This appears to be gone. Flight is no longer on their website. I wonder if this is related to the US3 vs. ME3 stuff this route stirred up?
*IG MXP-ORD MAY 0.3>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0] AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0]

Kinda surprised nobody is discussing this. This was not previously known was it? Google doesn't have any threads or news of it. If you go to the Air Italy site, Chicago was no longer selectable as a station as of earlier this morning when I checked.

I'm a little incredulous it sucked that much. Chicago has a large Italian population. I don't believe they pulled it after 7 or 8 weeks of bookings because nobody was booking. There's got to be a lot more to this story. My theories are:

1) They suspended sale because of a glitch they are unaware of
2) There is a fleet change that took the plane
3) The US3 drove them out with crazy pricing (unlikely)
4) The US3 were getting traction with their crazy argument that IG is QR in a fake mustache. That one is particularly crazy since DL is attempting to acquire a large stake in AZ.[/quote]
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:52 pm

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UA DEN-MSN SEP 3>2[1.8]
UA MSN-SFO AUG 1.0>2[1.0]

Hmm, UA is showing MSN a lot of love! The axed DEN frequency is on an ERJ-145 that leaves about an hour after the mainline flight before it and the new SFO flight is in the AM (versus the current PM flight) and on an E175. UA also upgraded the daily MSN-EWR flight to an E175 from an ERJ-145. Does that mean the EWR flight probably won't be transferred to IAD? Is MSN-DEN one of the longest ERJ-145 flights anymore?
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:24 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
enilria wrote:
:)

I'm sure the answer boils down to Walmart, but I don't know the details. Perhaps because Walmart has a ton of junk from China, they lean more to the West than a typical city in that region and MSP is Delta's best option for a large scale hub with a lot of West service?


Bentonville-based Walmart actually does a significant amount of business with a few major companies that are headquartered in the Twin Cities metropolitan area, including 3M, General Mills, and Land O'Lakes, and the business relationships that Walmart has with these Twin Cities-based companies are probably driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service. It is not just simply international connections to China that is driving demand for XNA-MSP nonstop service on DL.


Additional traffic may result from Walmart's largest competitor, Target, being headquartered in the Twin Cities. I'd imagine there are some sales people trying to set up schedules so they can pitch both retailers on one business trip. Also, many major companies have set up large offices in XNA to work with Walmart, and they may from time to time pull people from that office to work with Target and would want that XNA-MSP link. The same would apply for any company with a Target focused office in MSP that needs a little help down in XNA.


I won't make any comments on the WM conjecture. Aside from that, as suggested by PSU.DTW.SCE, I'm not sure why DL doesn't realign LIT-DTW to LIT-MSP.
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:48 pm

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Thank you Enilria for posting!

Woah DL giving PHL-SLC from multiple flights daily? I'm happy Delta giving phl little tiny love. I'm wondering if this is to slowly enforce the SLC hub

AA seems to have quietly removed PHL-SLC from the schedule. It was previously seasonal, then went near year round, and now gone. I don't remember seeing this on a previous weekly OAG thread.
 
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Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:18 pm

That's a lot of F9 cuts at AUS.

F9 AUS-DTW MAY 0.6>0.2[0.4]
F9 AUS-MSP MAY 0.4>0.2[0.6]
Quite a few ONT routes were trimmed
*F9 AUS-ONT MAY 0.6>0[0.5] JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0.4[0.5]
F9 AUS-SEA MAY 0.3>0.1[0.5]
F9 AUS-SFO MAY 0.4>0.2[0]

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Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:40 pm

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UA MSN-SFO AUG 1.0>2[1.0]
Seems like this should be bigger news although it just transfers a frequency from DEN to SFO...


It's definitely a curious one. if natural demand suggests you should up capacity this much you put an A320 or 738 on the route, not a second E75. Being a longish (4.5 hour) monopoly nonstop there's little pressure for frequency. Plus (at least at this point) they are adding it for just one month -- August.

If I had to guess this second SFO frequency is at the request of Epic Systems, the suburban Madison-based big electronic health software company. The new MSN-SFO and MSN-LAX flights added in the past year are widely believed to be on behalf of Epic. In addition to sending a boatload of business travel at MSN every week Epic also has United and Delta add flights to several cities for their annual user group meeting which is at the end of summer. Some years it's in September, this year it's in August. Of course UA is adding the second SFO trip the entire month, not just around the conference. But perhaps this is how they are handling late summer peak and the Epic conference -- a second SFO trip partially offset by ending the (summer-only) third DEN flight early.

It's not been public what Epic does to get their flights -- revenue guarantee, or maybe Epic inks a more airline-lucrative corporate contract with the expanded flights part of the deal. It's not like airlines are flying empty planes based on Epic's bidding. But on the flipside it's telling that American never adds a seat (much less a flight) in conjunction with big demand bulge around the Epic user group meeting. It's not organic happenstance, and I don't think this second SFO flight in August is either.

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