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United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:57 am

A follow on to the CRJ550, the strategy in today’s business environment is go big up front.

The 767pax just won’t die. Incredible airplane.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456260/
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:26 am

... to replace the 757?
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:54 am

This feels like a placeholder until MOM imo. They want premium seating, but not the extra weight the 787/330 carries it seems.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:32 am

Incredible a 767 with only 167 seats? Must be a record for fewest seats on a 763? (non VIP)
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:38 am

Wow.... United and Premium... never thought I would say that. lol.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:40 am

Makes sense. Two business markets, FRA and CDG, could need additional front cabin seats in the coming years as Brexit means banks move offices to the Continent.

LHR will always retain its demand as a standalone location but the other two will grow from business that needs to be transacted within the EU.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:03 am

I thought that this was announced ages ago?

MaksFly wrote:
Wow.... United and Premium... never thought I would say that. lol.


United have always had premium heavy aircraft.

Like BA, becuase they hub in major business markets they actually need a high density business class product because the premium demand is so strong (a low density product like the DeltaOne suite would take up too much real estate on the airplane to maintain a comparable number of seats*) and demand is sufficiently high in the markets that United is strong in that don't need a market leading product, people will fly them regadless. Again, very similar to BA and their very sub-par Club World product.

* As a case in point United put 60 Polaris seats on the 77W in almost exactly the same footprint that Qatar put 42 QSuites, which is a more dense configuration than DeltaOne by virtue of the forward/back configuration.

I don't say this to snub Delta, each airline is catering to its own market.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:03 am

Well, I see too much of a hype here by UA offering 46J and 22W seats on TATL.

For a 763 it's a low density config but please keep in perspective that LH and BA offer multiple dailies to JFK/EWR with 8F/80J/32W (LH 748) and 14F/70J/30W (BA midJ 744).
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:24 am

This was announced at the same time as the CRJ-550.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:16 am

This is not a new aircraft. Just a sub-fleet. Also, this was announced awhile ago.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:53 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
Well, I see too much of a hype here by UA offering 46J and 22W seats on TATL.

For a 763 it's a low density config but please keep in perspective that LH and BA offer multiple dailies to JFK/EWR with 8F/80J/32W (LH 748) and 14F/70J/30W (BA midJ 744).


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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:44 am

Read the article, reminiscent in a way of AA's A321T's on JFK-LAX/SFO. Not a lot of coach seats at all. I'm sure they've crunched the numbers and know it will work. What I find astounding is that they still apparently have a large # of 767ERs in the old 2-1-2 configuration; and there isnt even a start up date announced for the first refurbished 767 in the new premium heavy cabin!
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:57 am

Channex757 wrote:
Makes sense. Two business markets, FRA and CDG, could need additional front cabin seats in the coming years as Brexit means banks move offices to the Continent.

LHR will always retain its demand as a standalone location but the other two will grow from business that needs to be transacted within the EU.

Or they could just swap equipment
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:44 pm

worldranger wrote:
A follow on to the CRJ550, the strategy in today’s business environment is go big up front.

The 767pax just won’t die. Incredible airplane.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456260/


From the article:

The new 767-300ERs, dubbed the "76L", will have 46 Polaris business class seats, 22 premium economy seats, 47 extra-legroom economy seats and 52 economy seats for a total of 167 passengers, the update shows.

I wouldn't be shocked if these 76Ls are snuck onto some NFL or NCAA football charters in addition to the EWR-LHR missions. Because that certainly looks like an ideal layout for an NFL team.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:45 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Read the article, reminiscent in a way of AA's A321T's on JFK-LAX/SFO. Not a lot of coach seats at all. I'm sure they've crunched the numbers and know it will work. What I find astounding is that they still apparently have a large # of 767ERs in the old 2-1-2 configuration; and there isnt even a start up date announced for the first refurbished 767 in the new premium heavy cabin!


Nice try, the first premium heavy 767 has already been refurbished and completed it test flight in HKG last week it will be flown back to the US via HNL this week the second aircraft is already in modification with work scheduled to begin on a third frame this week or next week at the latest. UA has already completed 14 frames with the standard 30 Polaris seats, the remaining 17 frames will be premium heavy, so one finished another is in modification with 15 more frames to go. The remaining seven 763 frames built between 1992-1993 with the 2-1-2 configuration are slated for retirement.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:00 pm

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there isnt even a start up date announced for the first refurbished 767 in the new premium heavy cabin!

The first refurb is already done. Presumably that's why the article came out, because it'll be going into service very soon. Seat maps for this thing have been floating around since last summer, and it was discussed in more detail when the CRJ550 announcement was made.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:24 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
worldranger wrote:
A follow on to the CRJ550, the strategy in today’s business environment is go big up front.

The 767pax just won’t die. Incredible airplane.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456260/


From the article:

The new 767-300ERs, dubbed the "76L", will have 46 Polaris business class seats, 22 premium economy seats, 47 extra-legroom economy seats and 52 economy seats for a total of 167 passengers, the update shows.

I wouldn't be shocked if these 76Ls are snuck onto some NFL or NCAA football charters in addition to the EWR-LHR missions. Because that certainly looks like an ideal layout for an NFL team.


Fair point there, and NFL teams in particular are always clamoring for widebody lift. If these 76Ls are used in business markets, then weekend (Sat/Sun) NFL charter utilization would be a good backfill too. 167 pax is iffy in some instances though depending on NFL team.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:20 pm

No new news in this article as far as I can tell. We already had heard about the aircraft configuration and the initial route, we just don't know the actually start date or which EWR-LHR flight will be upgraded first...
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:31 pm

This was announced a few weeks back. The premium-heavy 763s will be used on some flights from EWR and IAD to LHR, AMS, and other major business destinations in Europe and is also a way for UA to hedge a downturn by not having empty economy sections during the low season for service to Europe. It is also a sign that UA is grabbing more market share and business contracts in the NY/NJ/CT area and relying less on transit pax to fill its planes at EWR.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:43 pm

slider wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
worldranger wrote:
A follow on to the CRJ550, the strategy in today’s business environment is go big up front.

The 767pax just won’t die. Incredible airplane.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-456260/


From the article:

The new 767-300ERs, dubbed the "76L", will have 46 Polaris business class seats, 22 premium economy seats, 47 extra-legroom economy seats and 52 economy seats for a total of 167 passengers, the update shows.

I wouldn't be shocked if these 76Ls are snuck onto some NFL or NCAA football charters in addition to the EWR-LHR missions. Because that certainly looks like an ideal layout for an NFL team.


Fair point there, and NFL teams in particular are always clamoring for widebody lift. If these 76Ls are used in business markets, then weekend (Sat/Sun) NFL charter utilization would be a good backfill too. 167 pax is iffy in some instances though depending on NFL team.


We are talking long haul international, there is no such thing as weekends to deploy aircraft elsewhere, if you want to compete you have to offer a consistent product. If a european business pax have to be in the US on monday he/she must fly on sunday and the other way around, if a US business pax have an early monday meeting in Europe he/she might have to leave on saturday evening.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:44 pm

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Well, I see too much of a hype here by UA offering 46J and 22W seats on TATL.

For a 763 it's a low density config but please keep in perspective that LH and BA offer multiple dailies to JFK/EWR with 8F/80J/32W (LH 748) and 14F/70J/30W (BA midJ 744).


And how many do LH and BA offer between CDG and NYC? LH only has 2 hubs and BA only has 1 hub. UA has how many hubs with TATL routes? The business models are very different with UA and U.S. carriers in general having a much more fragmented model thus requiring smaller planes and fewer seats per route.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:58 pm

This seems like UA's way of saying to Boeing "Please, for the love of God, just build the MoM, already."
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:13 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
Well, I see too much of a hype here by UA offering 46J and 22W seats on TATL.

For a 763 it's a low density config but please keep in perspective that LH and BA offer multiple dailies to JFK/EWR with 8F/80J/32W (LH 748) and 14F/70J/30W (BA midJ 744).


But if this is replacing the B78X on EWR-FRA, that's a huge premium that can be charged on Y as capacity is nearly halved. I would suspect a destination like ZRH might make more sense with this premium-heavy configuration (just beyond the range of the 757); LX flies an A333 with just 236 seats on routes between ZRH and the Eastern Time Zone (plus ORD); the B77Ws have 340 seats, but LX really likely wants the cargo capability as those are also premium-heavy planes.

Also, I wonder when UA will start adding W to the rest of the long-haul fleet (aside from the B78X which has it)? One could get down to 7 FA on the B77W with 28-35 W seats in 2-4-2, going J-W-Y+-Y on all wide-bodies.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:16 pm

you know what? all things aside, not really sure if UA is being slick or if they are very smart in going to a premium heavy 767 cabin, but with all the less seats, I bet its at least one, maybe two less flight attendants they have to staff on that particular plane, pretty clever indeed.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:26 pm

I think this is a page from not only their own textbook (the premium transcons, of course), but also Lufthansa: a premium-heavy subfleet that can be shifted around the world to different routes, adjusting routes for seasonality. LH got their 748's for that purpose, and they seemed to be timed perfectly for the shifting change in demands.

This layout would require a minimum of four cabin crew, but obviously many more will be on board. Checked baggage will be lighter; however, is extra cargo icing on the cake?

Oh, and an already long-distance aircraft (-300ER) now goes out significantly lighter - what kind of range are we talking about now?

Finally, as far as age: these are long-distance birds to begin with. The number of hours in the air might be significant, but the number of cycles is probably very low.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:31 pm

c933103 wrote:
... to replace the 757?
YellowJ wrote:
This feels like a placeholder until MOM imo. They want premium seating, but not the extra weight the 787/330 carries it seems.

If you read the article, you know it is going on EWR-LHR. They would not fly the 757 on EWR-LHR unless it was a really weird flight schedule. The 757 has never been able to satisfy F passengers. This is more of a Mint -style strategy and not related to 757s.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:41 pm

Pyrex wrote:
This seems like UA's way of saying to Boeing "Please, for the love of God, just build the MoM, already."


You can certainly interpret it as 'We don't want to sell many coach seats on certain routes.' Maybe this is the future of trying to compete with ULCCs TATL - just stop trying in coach.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:48 pm

Hardly new.

This was posted way back in April 2018 with seat maps and all!

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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:04 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
This seems like UA's way of saying to Boeing "Please, for the love of God, just build the MoM, already."


You can certainly interpret it as 'We don't want to sell many coach seats on certain routes.' Maybe this is the future of trying to compete with ULCCs TATL - just stop trying in coach.


You can also interpret it as we are spilling J class passengers to other airlines and want to prevent that...

UA grew RSMs by over 12% across the Atlantic last year so they are already offering lots of TATL Y class capacity at every price point. These aircraft are rumored to go routes like US-LHR and EWR-GVA/ZRH ect where they can sell a larger front cabin.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:04 pm

Does anyone have a higher res version if the seat map in the article? Im trying to see how the new J fits. Also Y+ is 2-2-2 not 2-3-2 like on other 767s. This is a very different interior than what they have now.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:13 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
Well, I see too much of a hype here by UA offering 46J and 22W seats on TATL.

For a 763 it's a low density config but please keep in perspective that LH and BA offer multiple dailies to JFK/EWR with 8F/80J/32W (LH 748) and 14F/70J/30W (BA midJ 744).


Also, I wonder when UA will start adding W to the rest of the long-haul fleet (aside from the B78X which has it)? One could get down to 7 FA on the B77W with 28-35 W seats in 2-4-2, going J-W-Y+-Y on all wide-bodies.


UAs already been putting Premium Plus onto the long haul fleet. All of the Polarized 77Es have it (18 with 5 more in mods for Polaris/PP), most of the 77Ws have it (11 with 2 getting modded with PP) and the Hi-J 763 we are talking about on this thread is the first 763 with PP. The 787s will get PP when they go in for Polaris mods later this year.

The seating configuration is 60/24/62/204 so legally you could operate the flight with 7 F/As but they don't schedule the 77W that way.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:18 pm

Channex757 wrote:
Makes sense. Two business markets, FRA and CDG, could need additional front cabin seats in the coming years as Brexit means banks move offices to the Continent.

LHR will always retain its demand as a standalone location but the other two will grow from business that needs to be transacted within the EU.

Funny since Citicrop are buying their London HQ for BILLIONS. BTW knowing more than a few that work in finance, trying to get them to move to Zurich, Frankfurt or *shudder Paris is damn near impossible. Top talent is ultra mobile, when Bank A move staff to Germany, loads of their Top notch London team stay in London and move to Bank B.

The 764s are coming off EWR-LHR for the summer with the B763s replacing them I believe?
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:20 pm

ikramerica wrote:
Does anyone have a higher res version if the seat map in the article? Im trying to see how the new J fits. Also Y+ is 2-2-2 not 2-3-2 like on other 767s. This is a very different interior than what they have now.


Premium Plus are the 2-2-2 seats you are looking at.

Y+ is most of the AB and KL Y seats on the aircraft. There are a few rows of seats at the rear of the aircraft and then all of the interior seats (DEF) are regular Y.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:27 pm

enilria wrote:
c933103 wrote:
... to replace the 757?
YellowJ wrote:
This feels like a placeholder until MOM imo. They want premium seating, but not the extra weight the 787/330 carries it seems.

If you read the article, you know it is going on EWR-LHR. They would not fly the 757 on EWR-LHR unless it was a really weird flight schedule. The 757 has never been able to satisfy F passengers. This is more of a Mint -style strategy and not related to 757s.


I wasn't talking about the 757. It's obvious United wants more premium seating while not carrying around the excess weight of a widebody for such short TATL/Transcon sectors. Seems like a prime MOM target.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:50 pm

UA and others are likely figuring the LCC's are taking many of their least profitable or unprofitable coach pax so let them have them. It also allows more seats for upgrades for FFP pax.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:03 pm

YellowJ wrote:
enilria wrote:
c933103 wrote:
... to replace the 757?
YellowJ wrote:
This feels like a placeholder until MOM imo. They want premium seating, but not the extra weight the 787/330 carries it seems.

If you read the article, you know it is going on EWR-LHR. They would not fly the 757 on EWR-LHR unless it was a really weird flight schedule. The 757 has never been able to satisfy F passengers. This is more of a Mint -style strategy and not related to 757s.


I wasn't talking about the 757. It's obvious United wants more premium seating while not carrying around the excess weight of a widebody for such short TATL/Transcon sectors. Seems like a prime MOM target.

EWR-LHR is going to be a luxury aircraft. I don't see that going narrowbody. They know they can't hold the big buck corporate passenger to LHR with a narrowbody product. Plus, it would be a huge waste of very expensive slots to use a narrow.
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:19 pm

United1 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
This seems like UA's way of saying to Boeing "Please, for the love of God, just build the MoM, already."


You can certainly interpret it as 'We don't want to sell many coach seats on certain routes.' Maybe this is the future of trying to compete with ULCCs TATL - just stop trying in coach.


You can also interpret it as we are spilling J class passengers to other airlines and want to prevent that...

UA grew RSMs by over 12% across the Atlantic last year so they are already offering lots of TATL Y class capacity at every price point. These aircraft are rumored to go routes like US-LHR and EWR-GVA/ZRH ect where they can sell a larger front cabin.


Yeah, I agree. EWR-LHR is definitely first up, and then we will start seeing EWR-AMS/CDG/GVA/ZRH. Maybe even EWR-MAD/FCO/MXP/BCN. These new aircraft will also allow United more flexibility if there is a big convention or something in a certain European city that usually has low premium demand. They can just run these high-J planes to better satisfy the demand for that short amount of time. Polaris is finally coming together, and the product is really appealing, from the lounge onto the plane. Really nice to see, and they will soon have a much better, more consistent product than AA or DL.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:34 pm

jumbojet wrote:
you know what? all things aside, not really sure if UA is being slick or if they are very smart in going to a premium heavy 767 cabin, but with all the less seats, I bet its at least one, maybe two less flight attendants they have to staff on that particular plane, pretty clever indeed.


It will still be staffed with 8 FAs.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:11 pm

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BA Mid-J 744s are all gone now. They are High-J now. 14F/86J/30W.


No there are 18 super hi and 17 other still flying regularly
 
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:46 pm

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george77300 wrote:

BA Mid-J 744s are all gone now. They are High-J now. 14F/86J/30W.


No there are 18 super hi and 17 other still flying regularly


Incorrect. There are ZERO flying in the configuration mentioned above “mid-J” with 70J.

There are 16 (soon to be 15) “low-J” frames too with 52J. These are used on the more leisure routes and most have very old interiors and don’t fly to JFK on a regular basis as mentioned s
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:35 pm

Interesting to see AA and UA go in opposite directions. AA taking business class seats out of their 787 (now 20) while UA adding planes like these. Certainly like uniteds approach more.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:15 pm

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mutu wrote:
george77300 wrote:

BA Mid-J 744s are all gone now. They are High-J now. 14F/86J/30W.


No there are 18 super hi and 17 other still flying regularly


Incorrect. There are ZERO flying in the configuration mentioned above “mid-J” with 70J.

There are 16 (soon to be 15) “low-J” frames too with 52J. These are used on the more leisure routes and most have very old interiors and don’t fly to JFK on a regular basis as mentioned s


You're all incorrect!

The Mid-J aircraft are the ones with 52 J seats. Hi-J had 70 J seats, however they have all been converted to the Super-Hi-J 86 J configuration. For what it's worth Lo-J was 38 J seats, but they haven't been a thing for quite some time.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:19 pm

Looks like pretty much all the windows are going to be economy plus
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:00 am

airportlover wrote:
United1 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

You can certainly interpret it as 'We don't want to sell many coach seats on certain routes.' Maybe this is the future of trying to compete with ULCCs TATL - just stop trying in coach.


You can also interpret it as we are spilling J class passengers to other airlines and want to prevent that...

UA grew RSMs by over 12% across the Atlantic last year so they are already offering lots of TATL Y class capacity at every price point. These aircraft are rumored to go routes like US-LHR and EWR-GVA/ZRH ect where they can sell a larger front cabin.


Yeah, I agree. EWR-LHR is definitely first up, and then we will start seeing EWR-AMS/CDG/GVA/ZRH. Maybe even EWR-MAD/FCO/MXP/BCN. These new aircraft will also allow United more flexibility if there is a big convention or something in a certain European city that usually has low premium demand. They can just run these high-J planes to better satisfy the demand for that short amount of time. Polaris is finally coming together, and the product is really appealing, from the lounge onto the plane. Really nice to see, and they will soon have a much better, more consistent product than AA or DL.

You won’t see these birds on MAD/FCO/MXP/BCN. Not a chance.

LHR/GVA/ZRH most likely.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:15 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
airportlover wrote:
United1 wrote:

You can also interpret it as we are spilling J class passengers to other airlines and want to prevent that...

UA grew RSMs by over 12% across the Atlantic last year so they are already offering lots of TATL Y class capacity at every price point. These aircraft are rumored to go routes like US-LHR and EWR-GVA/ZRH ect where they can sell a larger front cabin.


Yeah, I agree. EWR-LHR is definitely first up, and then we will start seeing EWR-AMS/CDG/GVA/ZRH. Maybe even EWR-MAD/FCO/MXP/BCN. These new aircraft will also allow United more flexibility if there is a big convention or something in a certain European city that usually has low premium demand. They can just run these high-J planes to better satisfy the demand for that short amount of time. Polaris is finally coming together, and the product is really appealing, from the lounge onto the plane. Really nice to see, and they will soon have a much better, more consistent product than AA or DL.

You won’t see these birds on MAD/FCO/MXP/BCN. Not a chance.

LHR/GVA/ZRH most likely.


Agreed....FCO/MXP/MAD/BCN are leisure-heavy routes and while UA has no competition from EWR nonstop to MXP, it does compete with DL, AZ, EK and Air Italy and AA if the last two remain in the market, all from JFK so price pressure there for sure, even if UA dominates EWR. These high density premium configured planes are optimal for the turns to LHR, AMS, GVA, ZRH and potentially even DUB in the winter months. BCN, CDG, FRA, BRU and 1 x TLV are moving to the 787-10 this summer but over the winter, that much lift to some of these destinations will not be economical.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:19 am

george77300 wrote:
mutu wrote:
george77300 wrote:

BA Mid-J 744s are all gone now. They are High-J now. 14F/86J/30W.


No there are 18 super hi and 17 other still flying regularly


Incorrect. There are ZERO flying in the configuration mentioned above “mid-J” with 70J.

There are 16 (soon to be 15) “low-J” frames too with 52J. These are used on the more leisure routes and most have very old interiors and don’t fly to JFK on a regular basis as mentioned s


JFK is usually scheduled with one low-J frame.

Back to the article, this puts the 767s in having less seats than the pmCO B752s. I'd expect the B764s to get it as well--1-2-1 J, 2-2-2 W, and Y+-Y. I actually like this strategy of making UA into a premium-heavy airline, especially to compete with DL.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:22 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
mutu wrote:

No there are 18 super hi and 17 other still flying regularly


Incorrect. There are ZERO flying in the configuration mentioned above “mid-J” with 70J.

There are 16 (soon to be 15) “low-J” frames too with 52J. These are used on the more leisure routes and most have very old interiors and don’t fly to JFK on a regular basis as mentioned s


JFK is usually scheduled with one low-J frame.

Back to the article, this puts the 767s in having less seats than the pmCO B752s. I'd expect the B764s to get it as well--1-2-1 J, 2-2-2 W, and Y+-Y. I actually like this strategy of making UA into a premium-heavy airline, especially to compete with DL.


None of the 764s will get a high J layout and only 17 763s will get the high J layout.
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:25 am

I'm happy to see this. I'd rather they use a 767 than a 787. 2-3-2 economy seating. That's is very premium for economy class.
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:29 am

That's going to be a mouthful for ATC....
 
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Re: United’s announces new premium heavy 767

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:36 am

bevan7 wrote:
Looks like pretty much all the windows are going to be economy plus

Yes from my understanding all the seats pairs on the sides of the aircraft will be economy plus, only the 3 seats in the middle will be normal economy.

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