United Express/Commutair incident 3/4 at Presque Isle, ME

dcajet · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:23 pm

Involved an E-145 from EWR. There are appears to be some injuries:

https://twitter.com/C5Recruiting/status ... 3194130437

smokeybandit · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:27 pm

Looks like it did a go-around before landing, too.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... 1#1fb0f08a

dcajet · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:34 pm

First pictures - wow... that landing gear is not where it ought to be....

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/1 ... 3577566210

asuflyer · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:36 pm

The aircraft ended up in the snow. The gear ended up hitting the engine.

Source
https://www.facebook.com/CrownOfMaine/p ... =3&theater

blackbox67 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:39 pm

Doubt they gonna repair it..

airtran737 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:51 pm

Runway conditions 3/3/3

32andBelow · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:53 pm

They were crying for jets. Penair never crashed.

FlyingLaw1 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:53 pm

Wow... Don't think I've ever seen gear end up like that. I suspect the NTSB will be launching a "go team." Hoping for a speedy recovery for those injured.

N415XJ · Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Ouch. I guess the most obvious culprit is runway contamination.

jonnyclam123 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:05 pm

It will buff out

slider · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Anyone have a field condition report from PQI?

RL757PVD · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:13 pm

32andBelow wrote:
They were crying for jets. Penair never crashed.

Its not like its a short/small runway though... 7,439 x 150

32andBelow · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:14 pm

I think you can go ahead and list this as an accident

smokeybandit · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:39 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Ouch. I guess the most obvious culprit is runway contamination.

I thought the obvious culprit was storing the front landing gear in the engine's pocket.

Super80Fan · Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:42 pm

I was going to say this is somewhat typical in a remote airfield with snow/ice, then I saw the pictures and lost that thought. Ouch.

KLASM83 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:11 pm

airtran737 wrote:
Runway conditions 3/3/3

Great point! Marginal, at best. The full NOTAM also indicates 1/4 inch dry snow, so that is something to think on as well.

Me thinks N14171 is probably done. Unless it isn't. We shall see what the insurance says.

For the pedantic folk like me:

03/028 - RWY 01 FICON 3/3/3 100 PCT 1/4IN DRY SN OBS AT 1903041410. 04 MAR 14:10 2019
UNTIL 05 MAR 14:10 2019. CREATED: 04 MAR 14:10 2019

airtran737 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:13 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
N415XJ wrote:
Ouch. I guess the most obvious culprit is runway contamination.

I thought the obvious culprit was storing the front landing gear in the engine's pocket.

That’s a main gear

NYPECO · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:14 pm

Wow, that landing gear though.

CrimsonNL · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:22 pm

"Rolls-Royce Geared Turbofan?"

*As read on ATC memes

JFKMan · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:32 pm

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/03/04/hurt-when-jet-slides-off-presque-isle-runway/ulRXt51pPfpDGmbdnT36XP/story.html

Pilot did a go around and requested runway lights turned on..... hmm.

caflyboy · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:43 pm

It says "landed and slid off runway." I think they may be leaving a few details out!

NickolayAv · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:48 pm

Looks like the engine had a wheely bad day.

kearnet · Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:59 pm

JFKMan wrote:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/03/04/hurt-when-jet-slides-off-presque-isle-runway/ulRXt51pPfpDGmbdnT36XP/story.html

Pilot did a go around and requested runway lights turned on..... hmm.

If you've ever driven on any northern New England Highway in the winter, you understand the following memes. Despite what is implied by it, the plows usually do a good job (Ie, I'm not implying that the airport failed or did an improper job on clearing the runway). Usually with the wind blowing the powder around, even following a plow on I-89 you can't see jack and the only way to see the details of where the edge of the roads are is to slow down to about 30 MPH, otherwise it's like going to warp on Star Trek (Or jumping to Hyperspace for the Starwars fans)

bacchus101 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:27 pm

http://thecounty.me/2019/03/04/news/pla ... sque-isle/

“the actual ‘landing,’ if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. The first impact was hard and violent.”

"The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway,” he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers.

Per @NWSCaribou the average snow depth in the region is 42".

FlyKBHM · Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:55 pm

Will be interesting to find out if the gear penetrated the cabin and intruded into the (potentially) occupied passenger space. If so, I imagine that the NTSB will be taking a closer look at the gear failure event sequence. Certainly landing gear contain shear pins and have a planned design failure mode(s) in case of vertical or horizontal overload forces...I'm just not sure that was it.

I never like sitting in the last row of rear engine aircraft because of noise and irrational fear of a thrown compressor blade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air ... light_1288).... but THAT never crossed my mind!

OA940 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:22 pm

It's like when a basketball gets stuck between the hoop and the backboard, only costs quite a lot more.

For real though, how the hell did that gear end up THERE

Jouhou · Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:40 pm

Taking a wild guess that maybe the blowing snow made the runway look exactly the same as the surrounding field.

... I'm pretty sick of this winter. Looks like that aircraft is too.

MastaHanky · Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:47 pm

That engine looks ...........tired.

IADCA · Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:02 pm

Perhaps the next time airlines cancel or divert flights because of wind/snow combinations someone can link back this thread. Could have been a lot worse.

MastaHanky wrote:
That engine looks ...........tired.

NickolayAv wrote:
Looks like the engine had a wheely bad day.

I'd tread more carefully with the puns if I were y'all.

bacchus101 · Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:04 pm

Jouhou · Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:19 pm

The image with the landing gear cuddled up with the engine needs a clever caption so it can join the ranks of New England winter-themed office humor.

phllax · Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:43 am

Maybe they got PQI confused with the Patchikofo Resort where the Concorde landed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndxx6oaG6XU

Scarebus34 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:48 am

You get what you pay for

EMBQA · Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:01 am

32andBelow wrote:
Penair never crashed.

You may want to research that statement.

32andBelow · Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:31 am

EMBQA wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Penair never crashed.

You may want to research that statement.

They have never had a 121 crash. And certainly never crashed at PQI.

Spacepope · Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:40 am

OA940 wrote:
It's like when a basketball gets stuck between the hoop and the backboard, only costs quite a lot more.

For real though, how the hell did that gear end up THERE

Bouncy bouncy. Guess it’s time to dust another one off in Kingman.

jfklganyc · Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:45 am

Accident not incident.

There is severe damage and injuries.

mcdu · Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:59 am

IADCA wrote:
Perhaps the next time airlines cancel or divert flights because of wind/snow combinations someone can link back this thread. Could have been a lot worse.

MastaHanky wrote:
That engine looks ...........tired.

NickolayAv wrote:
Looks like the engine had a wheely bad day.

I'd tread more carefully with the puns if I were y'all.

Why are you upset with the puns? Commutair has run a terribly unreliable operation for years. They are not the cream of the crop and this reinforces that stigma.

PlanesNTrains · Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:10 am

mcdu wrote:
IADCA wrote:
Perhaps the next time airlines cancel or divert flights because of wind/snow combinations someone can link back this thread. Could have been a lot worse.

MastaHanky wrote:
That engine looks ...........tired.

NickolayAv wrote:
Looks like the engine had a wheely bad day.

I'd tread more carefully with the puns if I were y'all.

Why are you upset with the puns? Commutair has run a terribly unreliable operation for years. They are not the cream of the crop and this reinforces that stigma.

Wait, so now it’s ok to make jokes about UA?

WayexTDI · Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:13 am

mcdu wrote:
IADCA wrote:
Perhaps the next time airlines cancel or divert flights because of wind/snow combinations someone can link back this thread. Could have been a lot worse.

MastaHanky wrote:
That engine looks ...........tired.

NickolayAv wrote:
Looks like the engine had a wheely bad day.

I'd tread more carefully with the puns if I were y'all.

Why are you upset with the puns? Commutair has run a terribly unreliable operation for years. They are not the cream of the crop and this reinforces that stigma.

Or, maybe he just said "treat [...] carefully" as a tire has treads??? So, "tired", "wheely", "tread"; all related to the thingy that ended up by the engine.

CLTRampRat · Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:47 am

$5 says it’ll be wearing Contour colors in a month.

IADCA · Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:21 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
mcdu wrote:
IADCA wrote:
Perhaps the next time airlines cancel or divert flights because of wind/snow combinations someone can link back this thread. Could have been a lot worse.

I'd tread more carefully with the puns if I were y'all.

Why are you upset with the puns? Commutair has run a terribly unreliable operation for years. They are not the cream of the crop and this reinforces that stigma.

Or, maybe he just said "treat [...] carefully" as a tire has treads??? So, "tired", "wheely", "tread"; all related to the thingy that ended up by the engine.

This is correct. "Tread" was very much an intentional pun.

evank516 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:58 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
They were crying for jets. Penair never crashed.

Its not like its a short/small runway though... 7,439 x 150

Longer than LaGuardia.

drdisque · Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:44 pm

CLTRampRat wrote:
$5 says it’ll be wearing Contour colors in a month.

The frame in question is an XR. Contour wouldn't want 1 oddball XR in their fleet.

Ionosphere · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:02 pm

I wonder if this airplane is a write off?

OA412 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:16 pm

Please keep this thread on topic, and don't bring other airlines that have nothing to do with this incident into the equation. Thank you!

United787 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:20 pm

I would call this a crash. And although there are some really good jokes waiting to be told, please bite your lip until we know the extent of the injuries. I hope not, but injuries could be life threatening or life changing, especially if the front landing gear compromised the cockpit.

I am a United fan, obviously, but BOTH Commutair and United have their names on this accident, period.

mga707 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:22 pm

United787 wrote:
I would call this a crash. And although there are some really good jokes waiting to be told, please bite your lip until we know the extent of the injuries. I hope not, but injuries could be life threatening or life changing, especially if the front landing gear compromised the cockpit.

I am a United fan, obviously, but BOTH Commutair and United have their names on this accident, period.

I read on another site that there were three injured, one crew, two passengers, all described as 'minor'.

bacchus101 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:41 pm

mga707 wrote:
United787 wrote:
I would call this a crash. And although there are some really good jokes waiting to be told, please bite your lip until we know the extent of the injuries. I hope not, but injuries could be life threatening or life changing, especially if the front landing gear compromised the cockpit.

I am a United fan, obviously, but BOTH Commutair and United have their names on this accident, period.

I read on another site that there were three injured, one crew, two passengers, all described as 'minor'.

All were released from the hospital yesterday afternoon.

Runway 10/28 (5,994 ft) is open for non-commercial traffic and 1/19 remains closed with the NTSB onsite.

bacchus101 · Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:55 pm

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