mxaxai
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Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:16 pm

Airbus currently leases three identical (?) ro-ro ships that only transport A380 parts between European plants. (City of Hamburg, Ville de Bordeaux and Ciudad de Cadiz) With A380 production ending in 2 years but production in Tianjin and Mobile ramping up, how likely is it that these ships get used on those worldwide trips?
As ro-ro freighters they should be quite flexible and I'm sure they'd find other uses. But IMHO Airbus' global supply chain could make good use of them. How do the CSeries wings go from Belfast to Mobile?

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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:26 pm

Are they even capable of making such long trips?
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:05 pm

The ships are on a 20 year lease with Airbus, owned and operated by a French/Norwegian joint venture, so they probably have to take a hit here, although each ship only cost USD 30 million each

However, while I do not know these ships specification, a Ro-Ro ship is usually quite flexible and can be used for other cargo
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 pm

They could make sense transporting wings between the ports it currently goes between or similar. Open ocean has a higher sea state as well as a longer voyage, now if bad weather is forecast 2 days ahead the trip can be postponed.

Besides, Airbus builds planes not operate a shipping company. It would be pretty easy to have containers 6m x 20m that fit at the top of the container stack.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:32 pm

Watched a documentary about Airbus' logistics systems on a recent Swiss flight, and they carry A320 and A350 subcomponents as well.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:44 pm

[apologies if off topic] The British Government are looking for some spare ferries.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:25 pm

mxaxai wrote:
... (City of Hamburg, Ville de Bordeaux and Ciudad de Cadiz) ...


Lovely cities all three of them. Do they belong to the same owner/entity? Very strategically named ships as well.

AirKevin wrote:
Are they even capable of making such long trips?


Usually ships (even of a smaller size) are so I dont think that would be an issue.

Turnhouse1 wrote:
[apologies if off topic] The British Government are looking for some spare ferries.


[/offtopic mode on] How is the harbour situation going over there? I think there will get a few more months to work on it 8-) [/offtopic mode off]
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:32 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
They could make sense transporting wings between the ports it currently goes between or similar. Open ocean has a higher sea state as well as a longer voyage, now if bad weather is forecast 2 days ahead the trip can be postponed.

Besides, Airbus builds planes not operate a shipping company. It would be pretty easy to have containers 6m x 20m that fit at the top of the container stack.


I'd think containers of that unusually large size in both dimensions would cause logistical issues that would defeat the entire point of standardized containerization. There's a reason they chose ro-ro in the first place - it's not like containers weren't around when the 380 first went into production, let alone the CSeries.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:41 pm

Turnhouse1 wrote:
[apologies if off topic] The British Government are looking for some spare ferries.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:44 pm

Other ro-ro ferries had to face a much more tragical fate. Just think of the MS Estonia.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:53 pm

Kilopond wrote:
Other ro-ro ferries had to face a much more tragical fate. Just think of the MS Estonia.


Estonia was a ferry - not a Ro/Ro-vessel
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:12 pm

Northpole wrote:
Kilopond wrote:
Other ro-ro ferries had to face a much more tragical fate. Just think of the MS Estonia.


Estonia was a ferry - not a Ro/Ro-vessel


Estonia was a Ro/Ro ferry (roll on/roll off)
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:27 pm

Northpole wrote:
Kilopond wrote:
Other ro-ro ferries had to face a much more tragical fate. Just think of the MS Estonia.


Estonia was a ferry - not a Ro/Ro-vessel


It was a roll-on-roll-off vessel that operated as a ferry. By the way, that sort of ships is closely linked to civil cargo aviation. Lorries get loaded with air freight at DUB, than they roll onto a UK-bound ferry and after arrival they roll off right there. Some of them even do that change another time and continue to continental Europe.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:00 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Northpole wrote:
Kilopond wrote:
Other ro-ro ferries had to face a much more tragical fate. Just think of the MS Estonia.


Estonia was a ferry - not a Ro/Ro-vessel


Estonia was a Ro/Ro ferry (roll on/roll off)


The ESTONIA was a 16,000 tonne Ro/Ro passenger ferry capable of carrying 2000 passengers and upto 460 cars, it had a bow visor that fell off during a storm which quickly sank the vessel.

The three Ro/Ro ferries used by Airbus are pure freight ferries with no bow visor.

The comparison with the three Airbus operated vessels and the ESTONIA is totally irrelevant.
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:33 pm

Draken21fx wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
Are they even capable of making such long trips?


Usually ships (even of a smaller size) are so I dont think that would be an issue.

Agree. The three ships have a pretty tall bow so waves shouldn't be too much of an issue. Doubt that range is an issue either, these are not short-range ferries. Is there even much difference in weather between the Bay of Biscay and the open Atlantic?

Airbus invested quite heavily into the infrastructure for the A380, including facilities to load & offload the ships. I hope those investments don't go to waste.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:21 pm

Looks like if they did a triangle layout (2 on bottom 1 centered at top) they could get 3 A320 fuselages on board.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:39 pm

How are components transported to Mobile as it stands? Belugas?
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:04 pm

fjhc wrote:
How are components transported to Mobile as it stands? Belugas?


They are taken by cargo ship. The belugas can’t make it across the Atlantic.
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:31 pm

fjhc wrote:
How are components transported to Mobile as it stands? Belugas?


All main fuselages are shipped by sea across the Atlantic from Hamburg Germany, Wallenius Wilhelmsen Line is the main shipping company used.

The wings brought over from Hawarden in Wales tend to go from Liverpool usually onboard the vessels of ACL Atlantic Container Line which have very large container,ro/ro vessels crossing the Atlantic. The ships have very large mezzanine roll on roll off decks.
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:01 pm

Cunard wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Northpole wrote:

Estonia was a ferry - not a Ro/Ro-vessel


Estonia was a Ro/Ro ferry (roll on/roll off)


The ESTONIA was a 16,000 tonne Ro/Ro passenger ferry capable of carrying 2000 passengers and upto 460 cars, it had a bow visor that fell off during a storm which quickly sank the vessel.

The three Ro/Ro ferries used by Airbus are pure freight ferries with no bow visor.

The comparison with the three Airbus operated vessels and the ESTONIA is totally irrelevant.


Exactly ! I should perhaps have written that Estonia was a Ro/Pax in order to be 100% correct - meaning a ferry for transports of hundreds of passengers where the cargo consists of passengercars and lorries which rolls on board. A Ro/Ro vessel is a different animal - a vessel built with the purpose and intention of transporting cargo which " rolls on board " and " rolls off board" ( trucks- trailers, MAFI:s etc)
 
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:11 am

What's to stop the ships being loaded with A320/330/350 wings instead? Surely the CASM of the ships is much lower than the CASM of the Belugas? The A300 Belugas have a lot of heavy maintenance coming up soon, apparently, so maybe the ships could be used to pick up the slack.
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:14 am

Someone83 wrote:
The ships are on a 20 year lease with Airbus, owned and operated by a French/Norwegian joint venture, so they probably have to take a hit here, although each ship only cost USD 30 million each

However, while I do not know these ships specification, a Ro-Ro ship is usually quite flexible and can be used for other cargo


20 years from 2005, presumably?
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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:11 am

Someone83 wrote:
The ships are on a 20 year lease with Airbus, owned and operated by a French/Norwegian joint venture, so they probably have to take a hit here, although each ship only cost USD 30 million each

However, while I do not know these ships specification, a Ro-Ro ship is usually quite flexible and can be used for other cargo

Indeed, they are already in use for other cargo. Clearly, much like airlines don’t like to let their expensive assets sit idle, so too seems to be the case with these ships. Here’s the Ciudad de Cadiz full of brand new cars.

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Re: Future of Airbus' Ro-Ro naval fleet

Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:23 am

zkojq wrote:
What's to stop the ships being loaded with A320/330/350 wings instead? Surely the CASM of the ships is much lower than the CASM of the Belugas? The A300 Belugas have a lot of heavy maintenance coming up soon, apparently, so maybe the ships could be used to pick up the slack.


As I mentioned a bit further up, they already do take parts from other types.

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