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Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:42 am

An Air China 77W B-2040 operating CA983 from PEK to LAX diverted to Anadyr DYR in the Russian Far East due to a cargo fire indication. The evacuation proved dangerous and did not go as planned as the slides were blown out of position from the aircraft due to high wind gusts. The pax have been unable to leave the airport since the diversion.

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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:22 am

Had to be pretty scary, not to mention so limiting! :eek:
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:27 am

I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:28 am

Well on the bright side, it's pretty warm in Anadyr today, almost above the freezing mark, and hopefully no injuries? Could have been worse...

Will be interesting to learn if there was an actual cargo fire or if it was a faulty indication.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:40 am

Will be interesting to learn if there was an actual cargo fire or if it was a faulty indication.[/quote]

I guess it was a faulty indicator. Otherwise, the fire would have come out somewhere …..
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:08 am

Saw video during evac - itself is fine, wind only picks up after evacuation.

Apparently only 183 pax onboard which also helps.

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Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:38 am

YoungDon wrote:
Well on the bright side, it's pretty warm in Anadyr today, almost above the freezing mark, and hopefully no injuries? Could have been worse...

Will be interesting to learn if there was an actual cargo fire or if it was a faulty indication.

CA say there's no trace of fire in the cargo bay so most likely faulty indicator
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:39 am

eamondzhang wrote:
Saw video during evac - itself is fine, wind only picks up after evacuation.

Apparently only 183 pax onboard which also helps.

Michael

Chinese report say 188 passengers
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:08 am

c933103 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Saw video during evac - itself is fine, wind only picks up after evacuation.

Apparently only 183 pax onboard which also helps.

Michael

Chinese report say 188 passengers

Actually just pulled the report and neither of us are correct - F3 C26 Y157 total 186 is the final number.

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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:12 am

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?

If nothing else, it should call into question whether any such testing is adequate under current required minima...

...too bad we all know that absolutely nothing will be done about this until (and since no) lives lost. :(
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:28 am

LAX772LR wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?

If nothing else, it should call into question whether any such testing is adequate under current required minima...

...too bad we all know that absolutely nothing will be done about this until (and since no) lives lost. :(



In all fairness though, that'll be a while. The 77W is a pretty Life Insurance friendly plane.
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:52 am

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In all fairness though, that'll be a while. The 77W is a pretty Life Insurance friendly plane.

*gasp* :eek:

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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:53 am

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?


Come on, let's be practical for JUST an a.net moment.
What do you want them to do, inflate them with gaseous lead???
That slide has to go from fitting inside a glorified shoebox to being a GIGANTIC toboggan in about ten seconds flat.
It isn't intended to be a pleasurable journey from top to bottom.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:07 am

A prompt diversion is warranted in case of a fire indication. Without an actual indication, however (such as smoke, smell or high cargo compartment temps), evacuation might not be the best idea.
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:09 am

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A prompt diversion is warranted in case of a fire indication. Without an actual indication, however (such as smoke, smell or high cargo compartment temps), evacuation might not be the best idea.

There's no way in Hades the crew can tell what the situation was in the cargo bay so they did the prudent thing as if there was a real fire. Once the passenger got on the slides I'd bet good money they would have gone to the ground anchored by passenger weight. As it is? they'll be ot of service until all the slides are replaced so I'd look for a rescue airplane and that airplane to be Maintenance ferried back to a hub for new slides. I've seen this problem before anc we never found the problem so we precautionarily replaced all the fwd cargo bay sensors and returned the airplane to service with all new slides.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:22 am

AA737-823 wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?

Come on, let's be practical for JUST an a.net moment.
What do you want them to do, inflate them with gaseous lead???
That slide has to go from fitting inside a glorified shoebox to being a GIGANTIC toboggan in about ten seconds flat.
It isn't intended to be a pleasurable journey from top to bottom.

None of which has much of anything to do with the actual question posed; but would score this a 6 out of 10 for pointless bloviation. :roll:
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:33 am

I would not mind to be in that airport for once!!
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:47 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
I guess slides aren't tested in wind storms?

Come on, let's be practical for JUST an a.net moment.
What do you want them to do, inflate them with gaseous lead???
That slide has to go from fitting inside a glorified shoebox to being a GIGANTIC toboggan in about ten seconds flat.
It isn't intended to be a pleasurable journey from top to bottom.

None of which has much of anything to do with the actual question posed; but would score this a 6 out of 10 for pointless bloviation. :roll:



Below is a copy and paste from Air & Space Smithsonian which states slides are tested in winds up to 25 knots. Should that threshold be raises another 25-30 knots I don't know but for now the FAA and their equivalents around the world seem to be okay with the current testing standards.

Designing evacuation slides has grown more complex as the FAA has tightened performance standards. In the early 1960s, slides had to deploy in 25 seconds in non-extreme weather: no wind and medium-range temperatures. Today’s slides must deploy in six seconds in temperatures ranging from –65 to 160 degrees Fahrenheit and unfurl in winds up to 25 knots (28.7 mph). Airlines impose further challenges: Slides must be light and compact enough to fit inside an aircraft door or below the door sill or emergency exit window. So each slide is uniquely developed for its location on an aircraft model.

https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-toda ... -22196601/
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:14 pm

So the answer is, yes, they are. Just not Putin's Mother Russia Siberian winds.
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:25 pm

How do people get from the town of Anadyr over to the airport? Is there a ferry?
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:36 pm

RJLover wrote:
How do people get from the town of Anadyr over to the airport? Is there a ferry?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugolny_Airport

The airport is located on the opposite site of the Anadyr River compared to the city. Transport by summer is by boat, by winter by a road on the ice, and for a period in spring and fall, only helicopter. The helicopter ticket was (in 2015) 3,680 rubles ($60).
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:06 pm

i wonder if it's really a fire in the cargo, any plane could still land safely.....I just cannot recall when was the last time a plane with real fire in cargo landed safely....
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:55 pm

asuflyer wrote:
An Air China 77W B-2040 operating CA983 from PEK to LAX diverted to Anadyr DYR in the Russian Far East due to a cargo fire indication. The evacuation proved dangerous and did not go as planned as the slides were blown out of position from the aircraft due to high wind gusts. The pax have been unable to leave the airport since the diversion.



This link has some more video that's pretty telling of the condition during the evacuation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nding.html

You have to sorta feel sorry for these passengers that were obviously not prepared to exit in the cold, windy conditions. Lots of people in with no coats tromping through the snow.
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 pm

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DarkSnowyNight wrote:
In all fairness though, that'll be a while. The 77W is a pretty Life Insurance friendly plane.

*gasp* :eek:

Hush yo mouf boy!
MH may no longer have 777s, but KE/OZ/CI/GA are still out there.


And all of those that had incidents were 77E's.... (apart from the KE and SQ engine fires, and even then, only the SQ one was a 77W)
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:14 pm

I've always wondered why there are not cameras in the cargo spaces so that the pilots can cross reference a fire indication with a visual confirmation.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:57 pm

They can call UNITED and ask for assistance... :duck:
 
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:06 pm

gia777 wrote:
i wonder if it's really a fire in the cargo, any plane could still land safely.....I just cannot recall when was the last time a plane with real fire in cargo landed safely....


It's not a good situation at all. Large jets have cargo fire suppression systems, but I can't attest to how well they work. Perhaps someone else can, but a cargo fire is one of the last emergencies I'd want to deal with, particularly on an overwater sector.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:21 pm

asuflyer wrote:
An Air China 77W B-2040 operating CA983 from PEK to LAX diverted to Anadyr DYR in the Russian Far East due to a cargo fire indication. The evacuation proved dangerous and did not go as planned as the slides were blown out of position from the aircraft due to high wind gusts. The pax have been unable to leave the airport since the diversion.

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https://vk.com/dyr.aero?z=photo-5000296 ... 02967_4023
https://twitter.com/zuzu2007/status/1102686520924766208

I think regulators are going to (and should) look into this. What is this was an actual fire situation requiring passengers to evacuate asap but could not do so because of the slides blown out of position?
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:41 pm

debonair wrote:
They can call UNITED and ask for assistance... :duck:


No, they can’t. I highly doubt if they even offer service in ANC, and even if they do, it remain doubtful if they have any plane ready to go there. If they can’t get that there, they’t better ask PEK to utilize the standby instead——better than SFO anyway.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 am

188 pax on a 77W though...
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:26 am

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188 pax on a 77W though...


And? What's your point?
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:28 am

9w748capt wrote:
LDRA wrote:
188 pax on a 77W though...


And? What's your point?


Load factor
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:32 am

LDRA wrote:
188 pax on a 77W though...

It's middle of the lowest time of the year - not uncommon to see light loadings.

gia777 wrote:
i wonder if it's really a fire in the cargo, any plane could still land safely.....I just cannot recall when was the last time a plane with real fire in cargo landed safely....

At least an SQ A333 made an emergency landing in BKK with smokes coming out of rear cargo hold (and I assume there'a real fire): http://avherald.com/h?article=4613943a&opt=0

Granted it's a couple years ago but still.

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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:35 am

LDRA wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
LDRA wrote:
188 pax on a 77W though...


And? What's your point?


Load factor


LOL? So are airlines supposed to cancel flights every time they're not full?
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:10 am

Just an update of the situation for the CA983 (04-Mar), and consequent CA984 (05-Mar):

The rescue aircraft (B-1266) landed in Anadyr 12 hours after the emergency landing.
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The ferry flight CA9983 to LAX took off from DYR 8 hours after, or roughly 20 hours after the emergency landing.
Source

And landed in LAX at around 9PM, a delay of 20 hours from original schedule.

The consequent CA984 flight is currently en route to Beijing on B-1266 as CA9984, with a delay of 15 hours from original schedule.
 
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Re: Air China 983 PEK-LAX Diversion to Anadyr

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:10 am

buzzard302 wrote:
I've always wondered why there are not cameras in the cargo spaces so that the pilots can cross reference a fire indication with a visual confirmation.



Wouldn't be very practical. The cans belowdecks occupy approx 100% of the available space. You really wouldn't see anything.
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