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Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:14 am

Welcome to the official thread for the 777-9 roll out.

Boeing has revealed today that the 777-9 will be rolled out of the factory on Wednesday the 13th of March. No word on time of roll out yet

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/boe ... -march-13/

For more on the 777X program refer to the following interactive display from Boeing

http://www.boeing.com/777x/reveal/

Update: Due to recent events the rollout has been delayed
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:16 am

Wow, so close! This is exciting!
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:59 am

When refurbished, who is assigned this frame?
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:00 am

Awesome news ¡¡¡¡
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:03 am

Should be nice to park it along an “old” 77W to see the differences
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
When refurbished, who is assigned this frame?

Lufthansa? Not sure
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:51 am

I assume it isn't officially open to the public, but is there any good place for someone to spot outside the fence, so-to-speak?
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:15 pm

It will be inside 40 25. Won't see anything along the fence anyway
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:43 pm

I guess they couldn't wait for 7th July, just like they couldn't wait for 8th July (or 7th August?) for the B787! Maybe they should wait for August 8th, as it seems that is very auspicious, especially for the Asians!

If they hit the target of 13 March, they would have trouble naming the beast the 71337 or 73137! We will soon have to go hexadecimal for Boeing planes!
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:55 pm

Never thought i could ive to see another 777 reveal .. Full Speed Boeing!
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:29 pm

Small coincidence but I was on a tour of the Everett factory just yesterday and was able to get a small glimpse of the 777X while I was there - it was one bay over and I could see the folded wingtip with the 777x printed on it. Our tour guide also shared that March 13 was the rollout date.
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:46 pm

Can't wait to see it.
I wonder if they will show folding winglet operation.
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:51 pm

All eyes on Boeing.

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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am

You all are forgetting that since the 787 fiasco we've had a rollout of a heavily revised Boeing type: the 737 MAX. It was nearly ready to fly, as the 777X will be.
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am

Exciting — hope they roll it out with the wingtips folded up, and then unfold them as part of the reveal. Key visual of the differences!
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:54 am

qf789 wrote:
Welcome to the official thread for the 777-9 roll out.

Boeing has revealed today that the 777-9 will be rolled out of the factory on Wednesday the 13th of March. No word on time of roll out yet

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/boe ... -march-13/

For more on the 777X program refer to the following interactive display from Boeing

http://www.boeing.com/777x/reveal/


Thanks for the launch site URL, very impressive. I hope this is a winner for Boeing, particularly with the demise of the A380.
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:20 pm

Can't wait to see that sleek, elegant wing that stretches out forever...if the 77X were a supermodel, those wings would be the legs...


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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:48 pm

Saw this painted 777x with its wings folded up while on Boeing Future of Flight tour in Everett, WA yesterday.

They have a second mock up / half built 777x in front if it that they are using to get their tooling measured and produced for the production line.
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:14 pm

Super stoked for the 777x! Can't not wait!
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:32 pm

seabosdca wrote:
You all are forgetting that since the 787 fiasco we've had a rollout of a heavily revised Boeing type: the 737 MAX. It was nearly ready to fly, as the 777X will be.


The 748F and 748i were both also rolled out post 787... I am sure Boeing learned there lesson there...

Oh, and the 789 and 78X were also rolled out after the 788...
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:50 am

March 13th rollout has indeed been called off as well as the media event originally planned for the 14th.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business ... index.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu2qnyqg6XP/
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:40 am

Does the X incorporate MCAS, or similar with a different acronym?
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:43 am

Runway28L wrote:
March 13th rollout has indeed been called off as well as the media event originally planned for the 14th.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business ... index.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu2qnyqg6XP/


Probably a wise call right now. They already have their hands full with negative publicity, no need to add to it by putting on a celebration. We can look forward to seeing it soon enough.
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Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:51 am

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html

Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops.

I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ??
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:56 am

dik909 wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html

Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops.

I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ??


More likely they don't want to be seen smiling from ear to ear next to a new aircraft type the day after the crash of a relatively new aircraft type. Their marketing message about a new, safe revolutionary aircraft would somehow miss its mark me thinks.

The 2 models are so different that.... just no )
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:59 am

dik909 wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html

Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops.

I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ??


777X debut postponement is public relations management only.
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:00 am

Virtual737 wrote:

More likely they don't want to be seen smiling from ear to ear next to a new aircraft type the day after the crash of a relatively new aircraft type. Their marketing message about a new, safe revolutionary aircraft would somehow miss its mark me thinks.

The 2 models are so different that.... just no )


Okay, wow. Was it really just to be one day after ? I wasn't able to watch the article video since I'm at work now; could only read the limited text.

Yeah, that is rather inconvenient timing..
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:31 am

It's not a good time for an airplane manufacturer to have a party when one of your products has just fallen out of the sky.

I remember a similar coincidence 20 years ago when one of our high speed train crashed with 100 fatalities. A day or so later French national railways SNCF cancelled some big celebrations saying "You don't party when your neighbours are mourning."
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:51 am

I would say it was out of respect to the souls onboard. Well done Boeing. 325i
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:39 am

325i wrote:
I would say it was out of respect to the souls onboard. Well done Boeing. 325i


sure... that's what their public relations people will say.
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:29 pm

smartplane wrote:
Does the X incorporate MCAS, or similar with a different acronym?

Nah, completely different engineering approaches here. Don't forget that the 777X has an all-new wing designed for one single engine type. Likewise they had the time to really integrate everything about this plane together with the wing and powerplant. ALSO clearance isn't a problem (though there isn't much, granted it's the largest diameter turbofan in the world!) so the CoG is perfect and center of thrust is probably ideal as well.

Pretty normal really (just on a huge scale).
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:43 pm

dik909 wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html

Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops.

I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ??

Yes, you are guessing, because the link you provide says nothing like that.

But thanks for the post, dik909.
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:15 pm

estorilm wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Does the X incorporate MCAS, or similar with a different acronym?

Nah, completely different engineering approaches here. Don't forget that the 777X has an all-new wing designed for one single engine type. Likewise they had the time to really integrate everything about this plane together with the wing and powerplant. ALSO clearance isn't a problem (though there isn't much, granted it's the largest diameter turbofan in the world!) so the CoG is perfect and center of thrust is probably ideal as well.

Pretty normal really (just on a huge scale).

Plus, the 777 is already FBW. Making the 779 handle like a 77W is just a matter of fine-tuning some parameters. They wouldn't need a completely separate system for that. They also feed the input from both AoA vanes to the FBW so even if one of them malfunctions, the system can detect a mismatch and deactivate parts of the envelope protection.

Of course FBW can have problems too, especially if sensors give identical but wrong inputs.
There was an earlier incident of an A330, where all AoA vanes were frozen stuck and the envelope protection gave a (erroneous) nose down input. The pilots there reacted correctly and the incident was investigated. (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-379787/)
Maybe a 777 expert can tell whether it will actively avoid a stall (e. g. by nose down trim) or simply limits nose up inputs.
 
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777X rollout postponed

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:33 pm

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html
777X debut postponed by Boeing after Ethiopian Airlines crash

By Jethro Mullen, CNN Business

Updated 0958 GMT (1758 HKT) March 11, 2019


Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?


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Re: 777X First flight postponed

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:35 pm

:shakehead: :shakehead:

The roll out event/party scheduled this Wednesday is delayed.

Not the first flight, or program.
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:09 pm

smartplane wrote:
Does the X incorporate MCAS, or similar with a different acronym?


No. Completely different architecture. The 777 and 787 are fly-by-wire airplanes. Very different animals.
 
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Re: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:13 pm

So where are they going to stash the 779X nbr 1 until the roll out ?
The follow on test frames are nearing completion, so they can't tuck it
back onto that line .
 
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Re: Boeing to roll out 777-9 out of factory on 13 March 2019

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:13 pm

mxaxai wrote:
estorilm wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Does the X incorporate MCAS, or similar with a different acronym?

Nah, completely different engineering approaches here. Don't forget that the 777X has an all-new wing designed for one single engine type. Likewise they had the time to really integrate everything about this plane together with the wing and powerplant. ALSO clearance isn't a problem (though there isn't much, granted it's the largest diameter turbofan in the world!) so the CoG is perfect and center of thrust is probably ideal as well.

Pretty normal really (just on a huge scale).

Plus, the 777 is already FBW. Making the 779 handle like a 77W is just a matter of fine-tuning some parameters. They wouldn't need a completely separate system for that. They also feed the input from both AoA vanes to the FBW so even if one of them malfunctions, the system can detect a mismatch and deactivate parts of the envelope protection.

Of course FBW can have problems too, especially if sensors give identical but wrong inputs.
There was an earlier incident of an A330, where all AoA vanes were frozen stuck and the envelope protection gave a (erroneous) nose down input. The pilots there reacted correctly and the incident was investigated. (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-379787/)
Maybe a 777 expert can tell whether it will actively avoid a stall (e. g. by nose down trim) or simply limits nose up inputs.


The 777 and 787 will give nose down elevator commands during an impending stall. The pilots could override it. Remember that Boeing fly-by-wire envelope protections are so-called “soft” protections. The pilots can override them if necessary.

The 777X flight control architecture is more similar to the 787 than 77W.
 
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Re: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
So where are they going to stash the 779X nbr 1 until the roll out ?
The follow on test frames are nearing completion, so they can't tuck it
back onto that line .


This thread is not totally accurate. The rollout is still going to occur on 3/13. It’s just going to be a smaller event for employees only.

The media and public parts are cancelled out of sensitivity for yesterday’s event.
 
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Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:20 pm

dik909 wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html

Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops.

I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ??


Not even close to being accurate. The two airplanes couldn’t possibly be more different, except for some parts of the displays.

The revision in roll out format has absolutely nothing to do with any engineering issues. The 777X has no similarity to MCAS, if that even where what caused yesterday’s accident. It’s out of sensitivities.

The misinformation and inaccurate speculation on this board is amusing sometimes.
 
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Re: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:39 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
So where are they going to stash the 779X nbr 1 until the roll out ?
The follow on test frames are nearing completion, so they can't tuck it
back onto that line .


This thread is not totally accurate. The rollout is still going to occur on 3/13. It’s just going to be a smaller event for employees only.

The media and public parts are cancelled out of sensitivity for yesterday’s event.


Okay, that makes sense.. So our first glimpse of the jet may be when it's towed out to the
flightline and Matt Cawby gets some pics from the FOF Museum parking lot
 
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:15 pm

Arniepie wrote:

Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?


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26th April, first flight.
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:24 pm

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Arniepie wrote:

Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?


title edited for accuracy



26th April, first flight.


Can't wait!
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:29 pm

CCA wrote:
Arniepie wrote:

Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?


title edited for accuracy



26th April, first flight.


To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.
 
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:35 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
CCA wrote:
Arniepie wrote:

Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?





26th April, first flight.


To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.
well then it was rather clever to quote that and point out it is internal info, right?

My gut feeling is that there might even be a further delay.
 
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:58 pm

oschkosch wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
CCA wrote:


26th April, first flight.


To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.
well then it was rather clever to quote that and point out it is internal info, right?

My gut feeling is that there might even be a further delay.


You’re suggesting I shouldn’t have quoted it? Perhaps that’s a good point for next time.

I guess we’ll find out if your feeling is correct.
 
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:19 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
CCA wrote:
Arniepie wrote:

Anybody have an idea as to new first flight date ?





26th April, first flight.


To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.



Internet is 30 years old this week,

Just sayin ....

No use trying to keep any cat in any bag in 2019 :D
 
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:43 am

zakelwe wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
CCA wrote:


26th April, first flight.


To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.



Internet is 30 years old this week,

Just sayin ....

No use trying to keep any cat in any bag in 2019 :D


Right. Policies about firing people for posting internal proprietary information on the 30 year old internet are also 30 years old.

Just sayin....
 
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Re: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:26 am

I don't work for Boeing, it was simply mentioned to me by another non Boeing person, guess the word is just creeping out.

Looking forward to the what ever day it ends up being.

Out of interest has the aircraft moved back into the assembly building or is it still in the paint hangar?
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Re: 777X rollout postponed

Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:19 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
zakelwe wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

To my knowledge that is still internal
Proprietary information to Boeing. I was aware of the date too, but chose not to post it as it’s not public information, per Boeing policies.

As a friendly reminder, I’d be careful with posting internal information that it not publically announced. I’m sure I’ve done this too, but I try to be careful. I like being employed.



Internet is 30 years old this week,

Just sayin ....

No use trying to keep any cat in any bag in 2019 :D


Right. Policies about firing people for posting internal proprietary information on the 30 year old internet are also 30 years old.

Just sayin....


And you still get walked for it. I have multiple friends and family members who work at Boeing and I personally choose to not talk shop with them unless they bring something up. I'll occasionally dance around something and feel them out and by and large they seem to appreciate me respecting their confidentiality. It doesn't take much to get fired and what a stupid way to lose your job.
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