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Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:58 pm

Too bad we'll probably be seeing those wingtips up a lot because they're ugly.

Can't wait to see those engine size comparisons when the plane is out and about. Is this it for the roll-out? Or will a bigger ceremony be scheduled for later when the MAX mess dies down?
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:02 pm

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Too bad we'll probably be seeing those wingtips up a lot because they're ugly.

Can't wait to see those engine size comparisons when the plane is out and about. Is this it for the roll-out? Or will a bigger ceremony be scheduled for later when the MAX mess dies down?


Media event will be later. yes windows are bigger. All the specs are available online
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:20 pm

What a beautiful airplane! Can’t wait for the first flight!
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:36 pm

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The door configuration looks silly to me...I’ve seen renderings of 777X with four doors per side. Is this an option?


Yes you can have Door 4L/R deactivated / plugged. I expect this will be the standard configuration (including this frame).
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:47 pm

She is a beauty. Congrats Boeing, I wish you great success with it.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 pm

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Will they finally have LED landing lights or do they stick to halogen bulbs?
It's hard to see on the pictures.


The front gear looks LED to me.

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Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:01 pm

crimsonchin wrote:
Too bad we'll probably be seeing those wingtips up a lot because they're ugly.


Hold your tongue sir!

trijetsonly wrote:
Will they finally have LED landing lights or do they stick to halogen bulbs?
It's hard to see on the pictures.


Big arrays of LED's. In case you miss a few posts below yours, the lighting under the wheel well is dark, but you can see a pair of lights here:

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Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:07 pm

That cockpit shot, NOOICE!
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:43 pm

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Are the windows any bigger than the current gen 777?

Yes.

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Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:52 pm

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Are the windows any bigger than the current gen 777?

Yes.

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Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:37 am

Thanks for the Pictures that awesome. A big thank you for sharing
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:42 am

Can we just focus on the roll-out now? There are plenty of other threads to rag on Boeing if you are so inclined.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:07 am

She is an absolute beauty! I hope Boeing can launch her at soonest once the ET302 aftermath blows over. I hope more Asians carriers will order her, currently only NH, CX and SQ placed order.

[Ps: On a side note, not being sinister, I hope she is build with proper nuts and bolts not like 787 held together with fasteners during unveiling ceremony (was this proven?)]
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:10 am

juliuswong wrote:
[Ps: On a side note, not being sinister, I hope she is build with proper nuts and bolts not like 787 held together with fasteners during unveiling ceremony (was this proven?)]


Yes it is a properly-assembled, fully-flyable airframe.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:13 am

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Will they finally have LED landing lights or do they stick to halogen bulbs?
It's hard to see on the pictures.



I don’t see any new aircraft coming off any line anymore given LED advancements, unless laser diodes take over.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:22 am

Awesome looking plane! Thanks for sharing the pics...

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I'm a bit disappointed by the size of the folding wing tips. I imagined them larger. Yes, I knew how large they will be, but still...they look sort of small-ish on that large wing :)
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:33 am

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I'm a bit disappointed by the size of the folding wing tips. I imagined them larger. Yes, I knew how large they will be, but still...they look sort of small-ish on that large wing :)


Have you seen pictures of employees working next to the wingtip?
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:44 am

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:

Have you seen pictures of employees working next to the wingtip?


No, I didn't. Don't get me wrong, I know how big they are. They just look small-ish compared to the wing. Now I want to see them in action. Preferably from the inside.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:56 am

A beauty! I cant wait to take a trip on her.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:38 am

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Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:45 am

DL717 wrote:
trijetsonly wrote:
Will they finally have LED landing lights or do they stick to halogen bulbs?
It's hard to see on the pictures.



I don’t see any new aircraft coming off any line anymore given LED advancements, unless laser diodes take over.


Why on Earth would you want to use lasers for lighting? For illumination you want a relatively wide beam. Laser diodes will give your a bunch of dots.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:19 am

Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:25 am

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gatibosgru wrote:
Are the windows any bigger than the current gen 777?

Yes.

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Those windows are fabulous. I like the higher placement as well.

Pity so many FA's make you keep them shut.

I hope QF orders for Project Sunrise ( the 8 ).
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:25 am

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Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?
It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. A cursory Google search yielded no answers.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:41 am

Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


Hmmmm... Looking at the close up of the NLG, we can see an awful lot of extension on that strut. May well be that this is just a result of a green frame without the normal amount of equip, furnishingings, etc fitted yet. I certainly don't see extra parts or strut length vs the 77W. So hopefully that's the case.

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It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Agree. Personally, I find a nose down, .5 to 1 degree, is the best "look" for a plane on the ground. Nose up dispositions make a plane look sloppy and home-made. E175s always look like they're one good push away from a tail-tip, lol.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:19 am

Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement


Exhaust is out the left side just like a 300er
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:31 am

Does anyone know why Boeing decided to use blue instead of red for the house livery? Beautiful aircraft by the way, although I was expecting it to look significantly longer than the 777-300ER.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:54 am

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement


Exhaust is out the left side just like a 300er



Are you sure ?


I read they had changed the design to vent above the tail fairing cone
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:56 am

Out of curiosity- why do the engines not feather the aerated end like the Max and 787s?
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:07 am

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Out of curiosity- why do the engines not feather the aerated end like the Max and 787s?


You talk about the "chevrons" as Boeing calls them?

The chevrons make the engines quieter, but at the same time, they raise fuel comsumption a little bit.

Boeing decided to not use them on the 777X, because they found the engines to be quiete enough to achieve their goals on noise pollution, but they needed all fuel economy they could get.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:47 am

She's a beauty - just like other Mighty Triple Sevens! That livery really suits her well!

BTW - is it me, or is it the first time US N-registration was placed on the bottom of the wing on any modern jetliner? I've never seen that before.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:55 am

Max Q wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement


Exhaust is out the left side just like a 300er



Are you sure ?


I read they had changed the design to vent above the tail fairing cone



I walk by it every day. Il take another look today but 99 percent sure it's out the left side
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:21 am

Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement


The 777-300er already has taller nose gear than the other 777s. It’s proportations are perfect. Not sure if the 779 is any different but the taller gear look is much more attractive to me than the 787 or 737 which look chubby and squatty.

The extra thick silver engine cowling is the only feature that is unattractive to me.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:27 am

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:

Exhaust is out the left side just like a 300er



Are you sure ?


I read they had changed the design to vent above the tail fairing cone



I walk by it every day. Il take another look today but 99 percent sure it's out the left side


Yep left side
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:39 am

CARST wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Out of curiosity- why do the engines not feather the aerated end like the Max and 787s?


You talk about the "chevrons" as Boeing calls them?

The chevrons make the engines quieter, but at the same time, they raise fuel comsumption a little bit.

Boeing decided to not use them on the 777X, because they found the engines to be quiete enough to achieve their goals on noise pollution, but they needed all fuel economy they could get.


CHEVRONS!! That’s it, sounds far posher than my serrated feathers term lol.

Makes perfect sense, thank you :)
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:46 am

Wow! A very nice bit of kit! Cannot wait to see her in the skies......tough week for Boeing, this is one hell of a pick me up!
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:52 am

Kno wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Looks good except, has Boeing jacked up the nose gear like they did with the Max for better engine clearance ?


It looks like it sits with a slight nose up attitude, unattractive


Also noticed much cleaner tail cone with no APU exhaust on the side, I believe it vents from the upper surface now, don’t know why they didn’t do that on the Classic, it’s a more aerodynamic and quieter arrangement


The 777-300er already has taller nose gear than the other 777s. It’s proportations are perfect. Not sure if the 779 is any different but the taller gear look is much more attractive to me than the 787 or 737 which look chubby and squatty.

The extra thick silver engine cowling is the only feature that is unattractive to me.



Agree, a tall gear is an attractive look and
the 787 looks way too ‘squat’ on the ground



But a tall nose gear by itself leading to a nose up attitude on the ground just looks
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:26 pm

I would argue that any perception of NG height based on these photos is skewed due to the use of UWA lenses. Wait until you get a better perspective.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:50 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
BTW - is it me, or is it the first time US N-registration was placed on the bottom of the wing on any modern jetliner? I've never seen that before.


Great catch, BlueSky1976. I wonder the same thing and look forward to some insight on this.

Kno wrote:
The extra thick silver engine cowling is the only feature that is unattractive to me.


Likewise...can someone remind us why this was done on the 787, too? I presume the reason is the same for both aircraft.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:04 pm

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Does anyone know why Boeing decided to use blue instead of red for the house livery? Beautiful aircraft by the way, although I was expecting it to look significantly longer than the 777-300ER.


Is the blue darker than past blue house liveries or is it just me?
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:20 pm

When is ground testing likely to start?
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:38 pm

WildcatYXU wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:

Have you seen pictures of employees working next to the wingtip?


No, I didn't. Don't get me wrong, I know how big they are. They just look small-ish compared to the wing. Now I want to see them in action. Preferably from the inside.


I wonder if the "smallish" size is to allow for flyability with the wingtips removed (either as a MEL with whatever drag, weight & takeoff performance penalty that's appropriate...or if necessary an empty ferry flight) if a MX issue comes up?
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:44 pm

Western727 wrote:
WildcatYXU wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:

Have you seen pictures of employees working next to the wingtip?


No, I didn't. Don't get me wrong, I know how big they are. They just look small-ish compared to the wing. Now I want to see them in action. Preferably from the inside.


I wonder if the "smallish" size is to allow for flyability with the wingtips removed (either as a MEL with whatever drag, weight & takeoff performance penalty that's appropriate...or if necessary an empty ferry flight) if a MX issue comes up?

They are not actually all that smallish...they are just “small” compared to the rest of the wing because it is just the wingtip-they aren’t going to design half the wing to fold up.
 
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:46 pm

Polot wrote:
Western727 wrote:
WildcatYXU wrote:

No, I didn't. Don't get me wrong, I know how big they are. They just look small-ish compared to the wing. Now I want to see them in action. Preferably from the inside.


I wonder if the "smallish" size is to allow for flyability with the wingtips removed (either as a MEL with whatever drag, weight & takeoff performance penalty that's appropriate...or if necessary an empty ferry flight) if a MX issue comes up?

They are not actually all that smallish...they are just “small” compared to the rest of the wing because it is just the wingtip-they aren’t going to design half the wing to fold up.


Point taken; thank you. I do wonder, though, if the 777x can fly with them removed in case of a MX issue...?
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:53 pm

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Point taken; thank you. I do wonder, though, if the 777x can fly with them removed in case of a MX issue...?


I believe the 777x can fly with the wing tip in folded position. I'm not sure about flying with a wing tip missing.
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Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:08 pm

Who asked about the size of the tip earlier?

This photo adds perspective unless that employee is a child...

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