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Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:28 pm

according to CEO Gery Kelley

"I think back to the thought that there’s an opportunity to expand the fleet by as many as 500," Kelly said. "The majority of that expansion over the next 25 years, I think, will be in the continental U.S. adding depth, adding more breadth and potentially adding a few more dots."

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... yptr=yahoo
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:43 pm

I'm interested in knowing more about how they're going to make intra state flying work.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:54 pm

I’m curious how you add 500 aircraft but only a few more dots?
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:57 pm

Frequency, obviously. Look at the top 30 U.S. airports where WN isn't #1 or #2 in domestic passengers.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:59 pm

Wonder what they'll order
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:04 pm

It says “for the most part they will beef up their strong domestic presence”
Does this mean they could be looking outside the US market too?
Maybe B797 order?
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:13 pm

Easily 40-50 aircraft could go to their new Hawaii routes. Honolulu could easily have 50 planes flying between LAX, SEA, SFO, and OAK
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:16 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Wonder what they'll order

If they would consider adding another type, they should also consider another OEM. Maybe the A223?
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:19 pm

BojamDelta wrote:
It says “for the most part they will beef up their strong domestic presence”
Does this mean they could be looking outside the US market too?
Maybe B797 order?
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That's my hope. Take a B797 with folding wingtips that can fit a standard narrow body gate and really build capacity at places like DAL - reducing frequencies a bit
for places like DEN and MDW, but adding capacity by using 250 seat aircraft instead of those seating 143 or 175 -- while adding frequencies elsewhere.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:40 pm

bob75013 wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
It says “for the most part they will beef up their strong domestic presence”
Does this mean they could be looking outside the US market too?
Maybe B797 order?
bo)am




That's my hope. Take a B797 with folding wingtips that can fit a standard narrow body gate and really build capacity at places like DAL - reducing frequencies a bit
for places like DEN and MDW, but adding capacity by using 250 seat aircraft instead of those seating 143 or 175 -- while adding frequencies elsewhere.


Maybe a venture into Canada or a Pond crossing?
JetBlue seem to be everyone’s favourite to TATL first, would Southwest Bite or leave them to it?

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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:00 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Wonder what they'll order

Hopefully larger than the 737 - 800 / MAX.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:00 pm

You know Herb liked Wild Turkey. Maybe they were cleaning out his old office. 500 more planes of domestic flying? First, where are the gates for this? Second, where is the revenue for this? Third, how many of the last 5 years have they added 20 net aircraft of growth? Imagine them achieving it for 25 straight years through recessions and such when they can't do that now in relatively good times. The only way they grow 500 planes of domestic flying in the steady state planning horizon would be a merger or getting RJs.

500 planes of domestic flying produce about 1500 roundtrips. That's three new 500 departure hubs added to their network because many of their existing hubs can't grow much more (MDW/DAL/LAX/FLL). Where could they put three 500 departure hubs absent a merger?
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:02 pm

I think the 797 would be a good fit for Southwest. Especially at artificially constrained airports like LGA and DAL.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:06 pm

GK mention before possibly placing an order of 750 aircraft mixed between MAX7 and MAX8 for the 700NG replacement.
Now with everyone but WN bowing out of the MAX7 Maybe WN has leverage get a lower price point to place a big order to keep the Line alive.

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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 pm

Might be enough to help cover all of the maintenance cancellations they've been having lately.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:14 pm

enilria wrote:
You know Herb liked Wild Turkey. Maybe they were cleaning out his old office. 500 more planes of domestic flying? First, where are the gates for this? Second, where is the revenue for this? Third, how many of the last 5 years have they added 20 net aircraft of growth? Imagine them achieving it for 25 straight years through recessions and such when they can't do that now in relatively good times. The only way they grow 500 planes of domestic flying in the steady state planning horizon would be a merger or getting RJs.

500 planes of domestic flying produce about 1500 roundtrips. That's three new 500 departure hubs added to their network because many of their existing hubs can't grow much more (MDW/DAL/LAX/FLL). Where could they put three 500 departure hubs absent a merger?


I agree--highly doubtful on these numbers. They would have to go TATL and into Latin and South Americas in a monstrous fashion. Or I suppose go to smaller domestic markets with the Cannabus/A220. Can WN's cost structure make A220 service to smaller markets work without a business class product bringing in higher fares?

They have a labor cost issue with their mechanics that they can't seem to resolve.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:23 pm

More leasure destinations like Jackson Hole out if Denver. More less than weekly directs for markets like MEM and TUL to places like SAN and OAK would be nice. I'd suggest TYS and XNA as new markets.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:43 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think the 797 would be a good fit for Southwest. Especially at artificially constrained airports like LGA and DAL.

Oh so a plane we know absolutely nothing about and doesn’t even exist yet would be a great fit for them?
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:43 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
GK mention before possibly placing an order of 750 aircraft mixed between MAX7 and MAX8 for the 700NG replacement.
Now with everyone but WN bowing out of the MAX7 Maybe WN has leverage get a lower price point to place a big order to keep the Line alive.

Flyguy


500 737-700s up for replacement. SW seems also bowing out of -7 now

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-02/southwest-moves-up-40-max-737-8-orders-delays-23-max-7-planes
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:02 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think the 797 would be a good fit for Southwest. Especially at artificially constrained airports like LGA and DAL.


I'm sure a 797 would have good operational figures flying into LGA and DAL, but would such a plane work at other airports where 737s have operations constraints (MTOW, etc.)? Some smaller WN stations and key hubs like MDW come to mind.
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Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:30 pm

Im a firm believer that there is more money to be made for SWA in smaller cities with smaller planes on predominantly through flights.
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:49 pm

Wasnt WN kicking tires on the A220?
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:03 am

keesje wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
GK mention before possibly placing an order of 750 aircraft mixed between MAX7 and MAX8 for the 700NG replacement.
Now with everyone but WN bowing out of the MAX7 Maybe WN has leverage get a lower price point to place a big order to keep the Line alive.

Flyguy


500 737-700s up for replacement. SW seems also bowing out of -7 now

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-02/southwest-moves-up-40-max-737-8-orders-delays-23-max-7-planes


A more recent article doesn’t make it seem like WN is “bowing out” of the -7. Funny, but not surprising that you choose to ignore it since it doesn’t fit your narrative.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/03/01/south ... ing-737-7/
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:11 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Now with everyone but WN bowing out of the MAX7 Maybe WN has leverage get a lower price point to place a big order to keep the Line alive.


That wouldn’t make sense because there is no “Line” dedicated to the MAX 7. There is just the 737 line, which could build any variant from the 7 through the 10. Discounting the 7 would take up production space from a much more in-demand (and therefore, higher-priced) MAX 8.

Honestly, I don’t think Boeing cares if they don’t sell more than a handful of 7s as long as the 737 line as a whole keeps busy.
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:05 am

Ufsatp wrote:
keesje wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
GK mention before possibly placing an order of 750 aircraft mixed between MAX7 and MAX8 for the 700NG replacement.
Now with everyone but WN bowing out of the MAX7 Maybe WN has leverage get a lower price point to place a big order to keep the Line alive.

Flyguy


500 737-700s up for replacement. SW seems also bowing out of -7 now

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-02/southwest-moves-up-40-max-737-8-orders-delays-23-max-7-planes


A more recent article doesn’t make it seem like WN is “bowing out” of the -7. Funny, but not surprising that you choose to ignore it since it doesn’t fit your narrative.

https://leehamnews.com/2018/03/01/south ... ing-737-7/


So how many -7 do SW have on order today? How many deliveries this yr, 2020?
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:32 am

Adds 500 planes...

Still won't fly to SYR.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:39 am

7 737-7s this year, the other 23 in like 2023+ or something.

GK said something along the lines of the A220 sticking out from other options and a "really good airplane" at the DAL Rally. We shall see.
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:46 am

Well they have a current fleet of around 750 with 250 more on order. Raising that to 500 on order does not appear crazy.

If 250 went to growth that is a 33% increase from current. That would basically require them to pick up the 10 of the top 30 that they do not already fly to.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:59 am

Since he mentioned over the next 25 years there's a pretty good chance the growth will come from an aircraft not yet in existence.

In the next 5-10 years they can grow the fleet by simply taking delivery of what they have on order and keeping the -700s to 25 or 30 years old.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:08 am

500 more planes they can't get anyone to work on...
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:34 am

The 7 MAX7 ETOPS will be dedicated to Hawaii-DEN,LAS,PHX.
Long shot would be Hawaii-BUR,SNA.
I personally don't see either BUR or SNA.
I think If JetBlue further pulls back at LGB WN will make LGB it's LA/OC gateway to Hawaii.

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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:46 am

1. Enilria is correct in pointing to gates and hubs as a challenge.
2. The A220 would be awesome.
3. They discussed needing the MAX 7 later as they had picked up used NG’s (for one).
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:52 am

737max8 wrote:
7 737-7s this year, the other 23 in like 2023+ or something.

GK said something along the lines of the A220 sticking out from other options and a "really good airplane" at the DAL Rally. We shall see.


Perfect plane for the smaller markets like BHM, LIT, TUL, ICT, ect, ect, ect. Perfect plane for Medium markets to get more point to points Like MEM-OAK/LAX/LAS.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:06 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
1. Enilria is correct in pointing to gates and hubs as a challenge.
2. The A220 would be awesome.
3. They discussed needing the MAX 7 later as they had picked up used NG’s (for one).


Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:24 am

AirFiero wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
1. Enilria is correct in pointing to gates and hubs as a challenge.
2. The A220 would be awesome.
3. They discussed needing the MAX 7 later as they had picked up used NG’s (for one).


Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...


True. I know many disagree but the challenge is that those flights to FAT et al will be needing the same gates at LAX/MDW/etc as all the existing flights and all the other new destination’s flights. Obviously they’ll get creative but real estate is tight
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:37 am

the Cannabus/A220.


This is the first time that I am seeing this particular nickname LOL. Off-topic but can I please request that we all start calling it the Cannabus?!
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:46 am

GuillaumePhilly wrote:
the Cannabus/A220.


This is the first time that I am seeing this particular nickname LOL. Off-topic but can I please request that we all start calling it the Cannabus?!


If only they’d gone the other way with the numbering, we could have had the Cannabus 420.
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:55 am

WaywardMemphian wrote:
737max8 wrote:
7 737-7s this year, the other 23 in like 2023+ or something.

GK said something along the lines of the A220 sticking out from other options and a "really good airplane" at the DAL Rally. We shall see.


Perfect plane for the smaller markets like BHM, LIT, TUL, ICT, ect, ect, ect. Perfect plane for Medium markets to get more point to points Like MEM-OAK/LAX/LAS.


I could be wrong, but isn’t BHM a bigger SW market than MEM?
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:02 am

AirFiero wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
1. Enilria is correct in pointing to gates and hubs as a challenge.
2. The A220 would be awesome.
3. They discussed needing the MAX 7 later as they had picked up used NG’s (for one).


Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...

As much as I’d LOVE to be able to fly WN to a FAR or GFK, I also like the fact that I know what I’m getting onboard WN. It’s a 737 and the seat and service is the same on the next flight as the one before.

Would they lose me or many others if they got regional jets? I’m guessing not unless the put them on legs they have no business being on. But there is something to be said for product consistency
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:08 am

jetblueguy22 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
1. Enilria is correct in pointing to gates and hubs as a challenge.
2. The A220 would be awesome.
3. They discussed needing the MAX 7 later as they had picked up used NG’s (for one).


Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...

As much as I’d LOVE to be able to fly WN to a FAR or GFK, I also like the fact that I know what I’m getting onboard WN. It’s a 737 and the seat and service is the same on the next flight as the one before.

Would they lose me or many others if they got regional jets? I’m guessing not unless the put them on legs they have no business being on. But there is something to be said for product consistency


A220 crushes 737 for comfort. Windows double the size, 1.6" wider seats, half the number of middle seats. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:27 am

CS500 wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...

As much as I’d LOVE to be able to fly WN to a FAR or GFK, I also like the fact that I know what I’m getting onboard WN. It’s a 737 and the seat and service is the same on the next flight as the one before.

Would they lose me or many others if they got regional jets? I’m guessing not unless the put them on legs they have no business being on. But there is something to be said for product consistency


A220 crushes 737 for comfort. Windows double the size, 1.6" wider seats, half the number of middle seats. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect.

And e175 crushes an a220
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:41 am

32andBelow wrote:
CS500 wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
As much as I’d LOVE to be able to fly WN to a FAR or GFK, I also like the fact that I know what I’m getting onboard WN. It’s a 737 and the seat and service is the same on the next flight as the one before.

Would they lose me or many others if they got regional jets? I’m guessing not unless the put them on legs they have no business being on. But there is something to be said for product consistency


A220 crushes 737 for comfort. Windows double the size, 1.6" wider seats, half the number of middle seats. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect.

And e175 crushes an a220


That's a negative.

Sounds like an E175 fanboy that hasn't flown in an A220 yet.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:46 am

Lootess wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
CS500 wrote:

A220 crushes 737 for comfort. Windows double the size, 1.6" wider seats, half the number of middle seats. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect.

And e175 crushes an a220


That's a negative.

Sounds like an E175 fanboy that hasn't flown in an A220 yet.

No middle seats fam. Comfy comfy.
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:03 am

32andBelow wrote:
And e175 crushes an a220


Only in terms of having less middle seats. In terms of seat width, window size and aisle width (and I think pressurization etc. but I may be wrong), the CS/A220 is better.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:12 am

CS500 wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

Imagine how many new *domestic* markets that would be available if WN had regional sized jets?

Or how about a 737 derivative the size of an A220 but has enough of the same systems to be pilot training and maintenance friendly? Hello FAT, SBA, SCK, TYS, XNA...

As much as I’d LOVE to be able to fly WN to a FAR or GFK, I also like the fact that I know what I’m getting onboard WN. It’s a 737 and the seat and service is the same on the next flight as the one before.

Would they lose me or many others if they got regional jets? I’m guessing not unless the put them on legs they have no business being on. But there is something to be said for product consistency


A220 crushes 737 for comfort. Windows double the size, 1.6" wider seats, half the number of middle seats. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect.


There aren't half the middle seats. There are half the middle seats per row but not half as ratio of capacity. On a 737, 1/3 seats are middle. On an A220 1/5 are middle. If they both have 100 seats, the 737 will have 33 middle seats and the A220 will have 20. 20/33=0.61 NOT 0.5.
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:14 am

32andBelow wrote:
Lootess wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
And e175 crushes an a220


That's a negative.

Sounds like an E175 fanboy that hasn't flown in an A220 yet.

No middle seats fam. Comfy comfy.



A220 crushes E175...no comparison whatsoever...
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:23 am

The full transcript of both Gary Kelly's presentation at JP Morgan and his Q&A session is here:
http://investors.southwest.com/~/media/Files/S/Southwest-IR/events/20190305-JP%20Morgan%20Conference_Final%20Transcript%20LUV.pdf

A few of his full unedited quotes related to this thread:
Beyond Hawaii, we've got 50 more destinations that we are continuing to monitor and examine and consider for Southwest service. That won't be all in a year. That will be over a long period of time. That equates to the potential to add 500 more aircraft, more 737 aircraft to our fleet, and these are all expansion opportunities in North America and South America, all of that is dependent upon continuing to maintain low cost, low fares, and of course, high flying service.


Back to the continental U.S., we have –if I got my count right, we have 85 lower 48 destinations, that may include San Juan, I can't remember. There may be another 15 or 20 dots that we could add to that route map, by definition, they're going to be smaller, because we've already got the top 85 covered. And I think back to the thought that there's an opportunity to expand the fleet by as many as 500. The majority of that expansion over the next 25 years I think will be in the continental U.S., adding more depth, adding more breadth, and potentially, adding a few more dots.

An individual dot that we add might add up to five, six, seven flights per day. But it still helps build revenues and new traffic flows, so I think those are good ideas. Right now, the priority will be obviously continuing to develop Hawaii. We've just gotten started with our international expansion. We have not yet gone north. We still need to develop over the next several years capabilities to drive traffic in foreign countries, so marketing and distribution systems, and also to be able to handle foreign currency, so we can get locals in other countries to get on our flights. Right now, our international destinations are very heavily weighted to U.S. citizens flying us on vacation.


So, we've got a medium-sized narrow-body fleet. If you think about bigger or smaller, I think the smaller is, we've looked at many times and always concluded that the cost and the market opportunity just weren't right for us and it was also a distraction from what has now turned out to be over the past 5 years, a vast opportunity to continue to grow with just what we've got. The 737 is going to do the mission just fine to Hawaii. We don't have Europe on our list. It could do that mission potentially as well. Does that eventually lead to bigger airplane ideas? Maybe. But I've told everybody who asked that we are not spending any time looking at anything in terms of size different than what we have.

So the A220 fits into that in terms of the eligible to look at. And again, we've been talking and looking at that, but it's simply a long –it's just admitting that we have a duty to examine that. But right now there's no plan at all to deviate from our fleet strategy
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:25 am

It guess it will be between Boeing E195-E2 and Canabus 300..
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:35 am

keesje wrote:
It guess it will be between Boeing E195-E2 and Canabus 300..


Did you read the previous post ?
 
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Re: Southwest Could Add 500 Aircraft to it's Fleet

Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:57 am

I think it is big opportunity for Boeing to catch up with Airbus in the narrowbody segment. 500 aircraft, if all goes for MAX, is %10 of the current backlog. Also there is Ryanair who is yet to place a significant order for Max ( they only have an order for around 120 Max I guess ).

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