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Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:33 pm

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I see gold on the wingtip- would contradict a lot of what the thread has been wanting to see!
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:41 pm

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I see gold on the wingtip- would contradict a lot of what the thread has been wanting to see!


Who says that airplane is being delivered with the new livery?
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:13 pm

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I don't think so because it still has the gold on the winglet.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:22 pm

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teusje wrote:


I don't think so because it still has the gold on the winglet.


The globe is totally different though. It has zero gold. Unless they apply the gold accent to the globe after painting the tail, which I’m not sure about. Also, the tail seems to be a lighter shade of blue.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:26 pm

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teusje wrote:


I don't think so because it still has the gold on the winglet.


The globe is totally different though. It has zero gold. Unless they apply the gold accent to the globe after painting the tail, which I’m not sure about. Also, the tail seems to be a lighter shade of blue.

If you look through the 737 Max P&D thread, you'll notice all the UA tails look like that before the gold was added. People actually thought a new livery was coming on the first 39M for this exact reason.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:35 pm

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A MAX at the Boeing factory. Would probably be painted before or during early April so fits the timeline. Looks interesting (in a nice way)

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Stop posting this nonsense - we have been over this. That's a B38M...


Sorry if I missed something. How exactly do we know that the AC in the picture isn’t a -9?
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 pm

gregn21 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
A MAX at the Boeing factory. Would probably be painted before or during early April so fits the timeline. Looks interesting (in a nice way)

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Stop posting this nonsense - we have been over this. That's a B38M...


Sorry if I missed something. How exactly do we know that the AC in the picture isn’t a -9?


That’s not the new livery nor is it a UA aircraft. The globe is staying and will look pretty much the same as it does now.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:43 pm

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The dots on the BA A380 tails were indeed done using stencils but someone still had to punch out the stencil to start with!


They use a cutting tool that is digitally controlled and is essentially just like your normal inkjet printer, except they have razor blades of various sizes and they're much, much bigger. They're kind of cool, but don't put your hands too close.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:50 pm

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I suppose one way would be to use the dot matrix (not sure what the real name is) approach, such as on the tails of BA and AA planes. From a distance, the Union Jack on the BA tail appears to reflect light where it "ripples", and the stripes on the AA "flag" fade from dark to light. When you look at those up close however, you'll see that the fade effects are made using dots in the opposing color in graduating sizes. I'm sure this is all computerized somehow for automatic application, nobody is painting those dots by hand!


That's called a Halftone! Halftones are used in design because most printers can't easily replicate a color gradient and halftones are an easy way to smoothly change from one color to another without the use of a large number of colors. In precise language, Halftone is the reprographic technique that simulates continuous tone imagery through the use of dots or lines, varying either in size or in spacing, thus generating a gradient-like effect.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:09 pm

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No. For whatever reason, with the MAXes, Boeing hasn't been painting the gold in the globe on the tail until later.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:37 pm

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No. For whatever reason, with the MAXes, Boeing hasn't been painting the gold in the globe on the tail until later.


Yeah that's just the MAXes standard pre-paint livery.

That aircraft was scheduled to be delivered this month anyway vs April (probably not going to happen.)

If UA chooses a new aircraft to debut "Evolution" I would keep an eye on Fort Worth and ship 1008.....it's a brand new 78X that is supposedly at FTW for paint. There is also a 77E and a 319 at AMA for paint.

Never mind about 1008 it's back at Charleston :) I would assume in the old paint as it would have leaked by now if it wasn't.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:42 pm

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intotheair wrote:
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No. For whatever reason, with the MAXes, Boeing hasn't been painting the gold in the globe on the tail until later.


Yeah that's just the MAXes standard pre-paint livery.

That aircraft was scheduled to be delivered this month anyway vs April (probably not going to happen.)

If UA chooses a new aircraft to debut "Evolution" I would keep an eye on Fort Worth and ship 1008.....it's a brand new 78X that is supposedly at FTW for paint. There is also a 77E and a 319 at AMA for paint.


I'd bet the 2 jets at AMA are the new livery birds. AA did something similiar with their new livery
back in 2013, painted a 77E and a B738 in Roswell , then flew them to DFW in middle of the night
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:49 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
khinstorff wrote:
teusje wrote:


I see gold on the wingtip- would contradict a lot of what the thread has been wanting to see!


Who says that airplane is being delivered with the new livery?


I never said it was the new livery. If gold makes an appearance on the new livery, people would be pretty confused since it's no longer a color that's part of United branding.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:05 pm

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I'd bet the 2 jets at AMA are the new livery birds. AA did something similiar with their new livery
back in 2013, painted a 77E and a B738 in Roswell , then flew them to DFW in middle of the night
and unveiled them the following morning



I have been monitoring the "chatter" at AMA. There doesn't seem to be any unusual communication going on.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:29 pm

I don’t think they’ll debut the livery on an aircraft. Only print.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:08 am

gregn21 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
A MAX at the Boeing factory. Would probably be painted before or during early April so fits the timeline. Looks interesting (in a nice way)

Image

Stop posting this nonsense - we have been over this. That's a B38M...


Sorry if I missed something. How exactly do we know that the AC in the picture isn’t a -9?


The tail registration N1786B if you look it up seems to be applied to a number of aircraft, but all appear to be 737-8's
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:26 am

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
Stop posting this nonsense - we have been over this. That's a B38M...


Sorry if I missed something. How exactly do we know that the AC in the picture isn’t a -9?


The tail registration N1786B if you look it up seems to be applied to a number of aircraft, but all appear to be 737-8's


Nope- here is a UA -9 wearing the same reg about a year ago. However, the AC speculated to be Air Italy is in fact a -8 because it is missing the extra emergency exit that the -9 has in the rear. Image
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:25 am

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That’s not the new livery nor is it a UA aircraft. The globe is staying and will look pretty much the same as it does now.


How do you know? What changes are incorporated that lead to an evolution?
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:55 am

As I recall, please correct me, when legacy United unveiled Pentagram’s “Shades of Blue” they used a CRJ? I recall seeing the Press Release and being shocked that they did not use a 747, 772, or EVEN a 767- but a regional jet!
Do we feel confident that they will use one of their more prestigious aircraft Eg; 787-10 or 77W?

There is another benefit to going with a evolutionary design over something radically different- they can move slower. Going as far as Saul Bass to Battleship meant many years of an inconsistent fleet of VERY different looking aircraft, then “Shades of Blue” - UA had too many revolutionary changes within a short span of time.
If it is an evolution in design, boarding an ac with the OLD colors won’t feel as much (to the average person) as if they are getting on an ancient aircraft (even if they are!)
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:02 pm

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As I recall, please correct me, when legacy United unveiled Pentagram’s “Shades of Blue” they used a CRJ? I recall seeing the Press Release and being shocked that they did not use a 747, 772, or EVEN a 767- but a regional jet!
Do we feel confident that they will use one of their more prestigious aircraft Eg; 787-10 or 77W?

There is another benefit to going with a evolutionary design over something radically different- they can move slower. Going as far as Saul Bass to Battleship meant many years of an inconsistent fleet of VERY different looking aircraft, then “Shades of Blue” - UA had too many revolutionary changes within a short span of time.
If it is an evolution in design, boarding an ac with the OLD colors won’t feel as much (to the average person) as if they are getting on an ancient aircraft (even if they are!)


When Pentagram’s blue scheme was unveiled in February 2004 all the press photos I’ve seen were of a 777, N775UA. There may have been other aircraft in the livery shown at the same time, I’m not sure. That 777 was used to fly the Oscar statues from Chicago to Los Angeles on only its second flight in the new livery. A small gold Oscars statue decal was placed next to the cockpit window.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:41 pm

Here's an example of evolution. Think of the livery change between AA's retro 757 and the retro 737. That change took place in the early 1960s, when AA started to take delivery of its 727-100s. The logo, inside an orange circle, went on the vertical stabilizer, replacing the airline name and the painted rudder. The font also changed, while the lightning bolt was retained.

My guess is that a current aircraft in the fleet will get the new livery, very shortly before it's revealed at a media event. Then, you will start seeing the livery, as 739 MAXes and 78Js come out of the paint hangers.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:51 pm

the Max9 that just did the ferry is in the current paint. the multi-blue and white tail that is raising eyebrows may be to Nordstar. I agree that if a new paint is to appear it may come out of AMA (or VCV or HKG) first.
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:55 pm

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Here's an example of evolution. Think of the livery change between AA's retro 757 and the retro 737. That change took place in the early 1960s, when AA started to take delivery of its 727-100s. The logo, inside an orange circle, went on the vertical stabilizer, replacing the airline name and the painted rudder. The font also changed, while the lightning bolt was retained.

My guess is that a current aircraft in the fleet will get the new livery, very shortly before it's revealed at a media event. Then, you will start seeing the livery, as 739 MAXes and 78Js come out of the paint hangers.


I’m not so sure. United lately has been trying to be more “grand” or loud. For example, the huge stage they setup for the recent FA employee rally. That was well publicized and made a big deal about it.

I could see something similar with a new livery reveal. Big curtains and fancy lights.
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Love it! Bold with only two colors. Hope UA management would see this.
 
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Love it! Bold with only two colors. Hope UA management would see this.


I agree, I love it! It also takes into account a lot of what we have heard.
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What program do you use for this? I'd love to create some ideas I have in my head.
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What program do you use for this? I'd love to create some ideas I have in my head.


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United DBA Pepsi? Lol, J/K.
 
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Nice but It’s rather KLMish
 
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United DBA Pepsi? Lol, J/K.


Actually, Pepsi is what immediately came to mind. So it's a "no" from me, although very creative.
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:47 pm

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I never minded the Globe livery. I did mind that they slapped a "UNITED" bumper sticker on it for titles for the combined carrier. At one point, they were even going to put "United" in the CO font.


I agree. The word "Continental" made more sense with the globe livery too.
 
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As I recall, please correct me, when legacy United unveiled Pentagram’s “Shades of Blue” they used a CRJ? I recall seeing the Press Release and being shocked that they did not use a 747, 772, or EVEN a 767- but a regional jet!
Do we feel confident that they will use one of their more prestigious aircraft Eg; 787-10 or 77W?

There is another benefit to going with a evolutionary design over something radically different- they can move slower. Going as far as Saul Bass to Battleship meant many years of an inconsistent fleet of VERY different looking aircraft, then “Shades of Blue” - UA had too many revolutionary changes within a short span of time.
If it is an evolution in design, boarding an ac with the OLD colors won’t feel as much (to the average person) as if they are getting on an ancient aircraft (even if they are!)


When Pentagram’s blue scheme was unveiled in February 2004 all the press photos I’ve seen were of a 777, N775UA. There may have been other aircraft in the livery shown at the same time, I’m not sure. That 777 was used to fly the Oscar statues from Chicago to Los Angeles on only its second flight in the new livery. A small gold Oscars statue decal was placed next to the cockpit window.


Yeah, I remember seeing it on the local news in Denver on a photo of a 777 first.

Maybe you're thinking of the media blitz for when they ordered the CRJ-700s and announced ExPlus service, which would have been shortly afterward.
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But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...
 
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But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...


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CDGIAD wrote:
lostsound wrote:
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Love it! Bold with only two colors. Hope UA management would see this.


I agree, I love it! It also takes into account a lot of what we have heard.


Nice idea, but where are some of the new color palette colors?
 
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lostsound wrote:
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But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...


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I absolutely love it!
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Lovely! Maybe a purple stripe between the blue and white, similar to the current 787 scheme's gold stripe. I think that would put it over the top.
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If you can pop a purple / blue gradient into that long swoop, that would nail it I think!
 
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I want more purple.

Thankfully this isn't quite the same as Norwegian's "condom" look.
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khinstorff wrote:

But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...


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I absolutely love it!

IMHO I think it looks a bit too much like a LCC. Although it wouldn't take much of a tweak to smarten it up a bit.
I'd extend the blue tail and globe down the fuselage. And i'd incorporate the new purple on the leading edge of the blue tail. I'd also remove the "swish" of the front blue nose, and align it with a straight edge, and again make it the new purple
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These look amazing! It reminds me of the BMI livery which was always one of my favorites!

lostsound wrote:
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lostsound wrote:
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But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...


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Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:26 pm

Better concept than the eurowhite, but I would put the blue on the belly of the plane, engines, and winglets, and put a purple swoosh (similar to the livery used for the 787 and 737 MAX) above the blue, put "UNITED" in blue, and stars above the globe.
 
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Anyone remember this livery?

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Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:20 am

I actually love the idea of a smallish Polaris (North Star) on just wide bodies over the Earth (globe) - everything they are doing is using Polaris as a halo for the equity of the whole United brand. (Think high J configurations!)
It would certainly be a NEW thing to do!
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Just preparing y'all for the inevitable:

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Sadly - I think this is waaaaaaay more likely.
Its eurowhite with the current fad for tail design (QF, LH, IB, EI, AS, AV etc), plus it gets rid of the gold and modernizes the meatball - basically checks all the boxes. Only miss is some sort of polaris reference, but not sure how important that is on the exterior of the plane
 
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I actually love the idea of a smallish Polaris (North Star) on just wide bodies over the Earth (globe) - everything they are doing is using Polaris as a halo for the equity of the whole United brand. (Think high J configurations!)
It would certainly be a NEW thing to do!


Agree, really hoping the Polaris 'stars' are part of the livery - especially on the tail.

Honestlly, United has a great color palette to work with, and unlike many here (maybe because EWR was my home airport when I grew up) I like the globe. They have a chance to make something really nice. Here's hoping they do.
 
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But what does it look like on the CRJ-550...


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Well played! :D
 
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United, please toss out the font! Its sooo boring. Slant it, 80s font was amazing! Just dont be generic AGAIN.
 
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lostsound wrote:
Just preparing y'all for the inevitable:

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Sadly - I think this is waaaaaaay more likely.
Its eurowhite with the current fad for tail design (QF, LH, IB, EI, AS, AV etc), plus it gets rid of the gold and modernizes the meatball - basically checks all the boxes. Only miss is some sort of polaris reference, but not sure how important that is on the exterior of the plane


Yep, here comes another Airbus house livery on a Boeing airplane... hooray! Ugh... what happened to the world when legacy carriers are Eurotrashwhite, and low cost carriers became an epitome of good, catchy design.
There's no better way to travel than fly (shameless rip of LH's slogan ;-)

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