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Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:58 pm
by Dfthu
To be honest I don't think its that bad. Although I don't really like the tail. But I do think everything else looks good, and blue is my favorite color...

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:02 pm
by rnav2dlrey
KVH68 wrote:
N37267 is on a flight to nowhere. LAX to LAX, UA 2693, 14:00 - 17:00


air to air filming? the company with the sweet jet that's all rigged up with cameras is based in southern california.

if so, that's too bad since the 738 isn't nearly as aesthetically pleasing as any of the widebodies in the fleet (and definitely not the 752).

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:24 pm
by jworks158
rnav2dlrey wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
N37267 is on a flight to nowhere. LAX to LAX, UA 2693, 14:00 - 17:00


air to air filming? the company with the sweet jet that's all rigged up with cameras is based in southern california.

if so, that's too bad since the 738 isn't nearly as aesthetically pleasing as any of the widebodies in the fleet (and definitely not the 752).


Yes I read somewhere that they will be doing some air to air filming before the bird goes back into service. I would expect them to do air to air filming with more then one fleet type.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:25 pm
by SheddingVortex
While better than the current, it's unfortunate they did not push the thinking further...for example, if you have a light blue and medium blue tail, why not incorporate more of that light blue on the rest of the fuselage to harmonize. For example, maybe use light blue as shadow on the UNITED titles, or some of that light blue instead of the gray.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:28 pm
by dennypayne
malaysia wrote:
Just curious, does UA need approval from Boeing to eventually use that cheatline on aircraft other than Boeing?


A) I don't think you can call that a cheatline - that is commonly understood to be a horizontal stripe over or below the windows.

viewtopic.php?t=246599

B) I've seen this "Boeing approval" notion come up several times in this thread, and I can't imagine that anyone would need anyone else's approval to copy a generic shape such as this wave/swoop/swoosh (whatever you want to call it - not a cheatline though :biggrin:).

XAM2175 wrote:
in every picture I've seen the "blue" swoosh looks pretty close to black. The overall effect is one that's both cluttered and bland, because they're really only working with two colours and the shades within them are all in the "uncanny valley" of being separate enough to distinguish but not enough so to contrast, let alone compliment.


:checkmark: :checkmark: "Uncanny valley" is a great way to put it - my sentiments exactly.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:43 pm
by WPIAeroGuy
SheddingVortex wrote:
While better than the current, it's unfortunate they did not push the thinking further...for example, if you have a light blue and medium blue tail, why not incorporate more of that light blue on the rest of the fuselage to harmonize. For example, maybe use light blue as shadow on the UNITED titles, or some of that light blue instead of the gray.


I agree. It’s better than what it was, but overall not too exciting.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:59 pm
by jworks158
According to the UA fleet website this plane is currently in paint at AMA
787-8 N30913 3913
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... t-tracking

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:28 pm
by SBAer
dennypayne wrote:
malaysia wrote:
B) I've seen this "Boeing approval" notion come up several times in this thread, and I can't imagine that anyone would need anyone else's approval to copy a generic shape such as this wave/swoop/swoosh (whatever you want to call it - not a cheatline though :biggrin:).



I can't seem to find it, but I recall there United was having to pay Boeing a royalty or some set fee for the use of the swoop in their designs. I don't know if that changed or is completely inaccurate.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:31 pm
by Amwest2United
jworks158 wrote:
According to the UA fleet website this plane is currently in paint at AMA
787-8 N30913 3913
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... t-tracking



Yes, It is to exit on the 27APR if on track...

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:41 pm
by JBo
SurlyBonds wrote:
This is basically a refresh of the existing livery, rather than a new one. It's no "United Rising" livery, which I loved, but it works as a refresh and improves on the previous iteration.


birdbrainz wrote:
The Rising Blue belly with blue on blue globe look a million times better. We need to start a crowdfunding site to get CarbonFibre's livery adopted.


I was just going to mention that fuselage of the "rising blue" livery would work really well with this new tail design, using the updated color palette of course.

Also, for those griping about no purple accents: the updated livery already uses five colors, which is already more than the CO livery. Adding a sixth would add that much more expense fleet-wide.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:42 pm
by CLEguy
Here's Patrick Smith's assessment (he's very opinionated about this subject and has written extensively about airline liveries-search his site). He gives it a "C" grade. I'd say a B- overall. I think it will grow on me.

http://www.askthepilot.com/new-united-livery/

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:05 pm
by Aptivaboy
As I said earlier, I don't love it, I don't hate it. I do think that some of the artwork shown here in this thread is more appealing than the design that United ultimately chose, Carbon Fibre's in particular.

That always amazes me - that companies spend big dollars paying a design company to come up with a new scheme or branding and then they don't knock it out of the park. Okay is apparently good enough.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:15 pm
by ocaviation
N37267 was at LAX overnight. Looks like it’s going out for air to air photo/video. Route shows LAX-LAX 2H35M with some pretty scenic places along the route.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:19 pm
by Rdh3e
dmstorm22 wrote:

It's an expectedly poor fit with the A320, but I think it looks great on the 757 and the RJ.

Disagree. I think the Airbus looks great.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:48 pm
by ER757
KVH68 wrote:
N37267 is on a flight to nowhere. LAX to LAX, UA 2693, 14:00 - 17:00

I fully expect that at least one of our LAX spotters/photographers will get some shots on her arrival back and get them in the database

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:55 pm
by KVH68
ocaviation wrote:
N37267 was at LAX overnight. Looks like it’s going out for air to air photo/video. Route shows LAX-LAX 2H35M with some pretty scenic places along the route.


Flying only at 15,000 feet. Will the chase/photography plane be visible on Flightradar24?

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:16 pm
by questions
CLEguy wrote:
Here's Patrick Smith's assessment (he's very opinionated about this subject and has written extensively about airline liveries-search his site). He gives it a "C" grade. I'd say a B- overall. I think it will grow on me.

http://www.askthepilot.com/new-united-livery/


Reading the comments, I wasn't the only one who thought that there is fairy dust on the tail...

Dick Hardate says:
April 25, 2019 at 10:01 pm
It looks like it’s the output of an HR-facilitated design session — no connection to the business strategy; lack of focus on the target; watered down compromise… but everyone felt good and liked the M&M’s.

Pro’s
– Freshly painted aircraft

Con’s
– The fairy dust on the top of the tail makes no sense
– The blue globe design is flat, no depth. Looks like a cheap effort
– The wavy “cheatline” is dated
– Rhapsody Blue should have been the predominant color, not United Blue

Overall, good intentions poorly executed — which is consistent with the United brand.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:19 pm
by ikramerica
JBo wrote:
SurlyBonds wrote:
This is basically a refresh of the existing livery, rather than a new one. It's no "United Rising" livery, which I loved, but it works as a refresh and improves on the previous iteration.


birdbrainz wrote:
The Rising Blue belly with blue on blue globe look a million times better. We need to start a crowdfunding site to get CarbonFibre's livery adopted.


I was just going to mention that fuselage of the "rising blue" livery would work really well with this new tail design, using the updated color palette of course.

Also, for those griping about no purple accents: the updated livery already uses five colors, which is already more than the CO livery. Adding a sixth would add that much more expense fleet-wide.

Thats a strike against. It uses 5 colors but doesn’t seem like it because they are blue, blue, blue white and gray. Many liveries use 4 or 3 but seem more “expensive” because of contrast. They could have saved a lot of money by painting the globe lines grey or white, and they would stand out more too.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:28 pm
by KVH68
ER757 wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
N37267 is on a flight to nowhere. LAX to LAX, UA 2693, 14:00 - 17:00

I fully expect that at least one of our LAX spotters/photographers will get some shots on her arrival back and get them in the database


Somebody already got a picture of it departing LAX for the photo shoot flight. The picture is already on Flightradar24

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:41 pm
by jph7291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KFo1qmpZAQ

Caught in live action. Looks more agreeable to me here, in real life.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:48 pm
by PixelPilot
I don't like that the letters are further to the back.
Rest looks ok.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:49 pm
by djapg
KVH68 wrote:
ER757 wrote:
KVH68 wrote:
N37267 is on a flight to nowhere. LAX to LAX, UA 2693, 14:00 - 17:00

I fully expect that at least one of our LAX spotters/photographers will get some shots on her arrival back and get them in the database


Somebody already got a picture of it departing LAX for the photo shoot flight. The picture is already on Flightradar24


Lol someone is out joyriding over Yosemite and the Sierras...

Image

I searched to see if it made a move somewhere (hoping my flight home on a 738 from Chicago on Sunday is her)... not yet!


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Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:55 pm
by KVH68
Going all the way down to 4,500 feet over Chowchilla, CA

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:33 am
by United1
malaysia wrote:
Just curious, does UA need approval from Boeing to eventually use that cheatline on aircraft other than Boeing?


The swoop on the MAX and on the evolution livery isn’t exactly the same as the one that Boeing uses. The Dreamliners are the only fleet that uses the Boeing swoop.

Not sure if Boeing trademarked its swoop but it’s not an issue for UA.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:16 am
by ORDfan
questions wrote:
CLEguy wrote:
Here's Patrick Smith's assessment (he's very opinionated about this subject and has written extensively about airline liveries-search his site). He gives it a "C" grade. I'd say a B- overall. I think it will grow on me.

http://www.askthepilot.com/new-united-livery/


Reading the comments, I wasn't the only one who thought that there is fairy dust on the tail...

Dick Hardate says:
April 25, 2019 at 10:01 pm
It looks like it’s the output of an HR-facilitated design session — no connection to the business strategy; lack of focus on the target; watered down compromise… but everyone felt good and liked the M&M’s.

Pro’s
– Freshly painted aircraft

Con’s
– The fairy dust on the top of the tail makes no sense
– The blue globe design is flat, no depth. Looks like a cheap effort
– The wavy “cheatline” is dated
– Rhapsody Blue should have been the predominant color, not United Blue

Overall, good intentions poorly executed — which is consistent with the United brand.


LOL: strongly echos the pro's/con's above. I was thinking the same thing about the "cheat line" combined with that shade of grey - it screams 2000's BBJ to me.

Ugh, the more pics I see, the more disappointed I am.

How long until the next livery revamp? :banghead:

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 am
by DeltaB717
I like it - the only thing I'd be tempted to change would be to add the same gradient from the tail to the winglets as they look a bit bland being solid. But it's such a tiny thing.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:45 am
by NYPECO

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:28 am
by Pellegrine
NYPECO wrote:


I like it. :thumbsup:

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:06 am
by lydh
Me too. And I think it will look even better on larger planes. I imagine the reason it looks so LCC-ish on the 737 is because the 737 is a popular LCC aircraft of choice, not because of the logo itself...

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:35 am
by impilot
lydh wrote:
Me too. And I think it will look even better on larger planes. I imagine the reason it looks so LCC-ish on the 737 is because the 737 is a popular LCC aircraft of choice, not because of the logo itself...

I think the LCC-ish look matches their LCC-ish product.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:40 am
by ocaviation
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 am
by ikramerica
We probably wont see the 747 in the new colors and I dont think it looks right anyway.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:10 am
by impilot
ocaviation wrote:
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*


Very nice...still would like to see the A321, A220-300, and E190 to see what the post B6 merger fleet will look like. Or will that be when they do the revolutionary, not evolutionary livery?

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:37 am
by 77H
questions wrote:
CLEguy wrote:
Here's Patrick Smith's assessment (he's very opinionated about this subject and has written extensively about airline liveries-search his site). He gives it a "C" grade. I'd say a B- overall. I think it will grow on me.

http://www.askthepilot.com/new-united-livery/


Reading the comments, I wasn't the only one who thought that there is fairy dust on the tail...

Dick Hardate says:
April 25, 2019 at 10:01 pm
It looks like it’s the output of an HR-facilitated design session — no connection to the business strategy; lack of focus on the target; watered down compromise… but everyone felt good and liked the M&M’s.

Pro’s
– Freshly painted aircraft

Con’s
– The fairy dust on the top of the tail makes no sense
– The blue globe design is flat, no depth. Looks like a cheap effort
– The wavy “cheatline” is dated
– Rhapsody Blue should have been the predominant color, not United Blue

Overall, good intentions poorly executed — which is consistent with the United brand.


Agreed. The darker blue (rhapsody) would have looked better on the engines and winglets with United blue being the wavy cheatline.

Even though the blue on the engines is the same blue as the tail on the current livery it looks brighter, more fluorescent which makes it look cheap on the new livery.

77H

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:58 am
by Yonderlust
I dislike the matchy matchy engine, winglets and tail. I like this particular shade of blue but overall this refreshed livery seems completely uninspired. I'm sure they used in-house marketing department along with outside branding agencies. A better path would be to get submittals from fashion designers, musicians, architects and the like. Stay away from these corporate marketing wanks.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:08 am
by bpat777
Great job by UA. It's my 2nd favorite new livery after AS

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:10 am
by AaronPGH
Looks much better in that airborne pic of it above!

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:08 am
by CDGIAD
ocaviation wrote:
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*


Thanks, that's really nice!

I find the livery to look best on longer aircraft like the 77W or 764, as the billboard title is in front of the engine and not above it, on shorter aircraft like the 320 that's just too much blue on the mid fuselage part.

I know that this livery tries to incorporate elements from rising blue livery like the blue shading and blue engines, but I thing the blue engines are too much.
The big titles and colorful tail are enough.
On RJ blue engines are fine though.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:48 am
by CarbonFibre
ikramerica wrote:
We probably wont see the 747 in the new colors and I dont think it looks right anyway.


Given UA retired the last one two years ago I shouln't think so.

There is definitely a gap between the stripe and the grey belly just ahead of the wing.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:21 am
by SpaceshipDC10
I'm not over exited with the new livery but still like it, particularly grey part. It's something I never liked with the CO livery, all that grey... The thin dark line and the tail design are nice too. Subtle evolutions that make the difference.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:28 am
by SANpilot
Get rid of the swoop completely, saves money and looks better in my opinion. Can anyone photoshop current photo without rhapsody blue swoop?

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:36 am
by JannEejit
Will they paint the 757's or leave them ?

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:52 am
by Lilienthal
Looks a lot better in it's natural element. I'd get rid of the blue line above this swoop though...

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:33 am
by clipperlondon
Pellegrine wrote:
NYPECO wrote:


I like it. :thumbsup:


Boring and cheap. As everybody else says, just looks like an LCC. Not very distinguished for what is supposed to be a world-class carrier.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:50 am
by twaconnie
I still say the globe has to go it's so out dated. Not much of a change from the previous livery.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:03 pm
by JannEejit
I don't mind it, not excited by it, not put off either. If anything it looks like an update of the update applied to the 787 and max arrivals.

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:21 pm
by 9lflyguy
ocaviation wrote:
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*


Looks really good on the smaller RJs especially the 145. Can't wait to see it in action

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:53 pm
by tjwgrr
9lflyguy wrote:
Looks really good on the smaller RJs especially the 145. Can't wait to see it in action


I thought the same thing- especially the CRJs and the 145. Hopefully they paint the engines on those.

impilot wrote:
Very nice...still would like to see the A321, A220-300, and E190 to see what the post B6 merger fleet will look like. Or will that be when they do the revolutionary, not evolutionary livery?


Give it up already- please. :banghead:

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:18 pm
by dmstorm22
ocaviation wrote:
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*


These are amazing; really like the look on the extremes - the 77W looks great, and the RJ fleet looks really nice.

If I can make one more request (honestly, you're awesome for pulling all these), can we get a A350-900?

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:39 pm
by ocaviation
impilot wrote:
ocaviation wrote:
Image

Ok..... 3.5 hours later. Here's the requests and a few more added in. Ignoring my sub-par photoshop skills, what do you think of the livery on these aircraft?

Hope you all enjoy!

*Images not to scale.*


Very nice...still would like to see the A321, A220-300, and E190 to see what the post B6 merger fleet will look like. Or will that be when they do the revolutionary, not evolutionary livery?


Ah! That’s right. I’ll do those today.