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Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:34 am

I was wondering if anyone has any rough idea as to how many L1011s may still exist, either whole or in some stage of dismantlement. I was looking at google earth's (amazingly clear) footage of Victorville and Mojave and I could only make out maybe two or three (hard to tell compared to the DC10 with the angles involved). I recall years ago seeing pictures of lines of them. Are they almost gone?

I got into this after doing research and reading about the L1011 Experience that if I read correctly is a 'new' flying example.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:51 am

there are atleast 2 in Thailand
Both of them are no longer airworthy.
1 of them is in Bangkok and it is converted into a bar, and it previously flew for Thai Sky Airlines.
The other one is now in Nong Kai province in the north and it is used as an decoration in a market, and it is previously used by Las Vegas Sands.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:55 am

according to Wikipedia "As of 2019, three L-1011s in the world are airworthy." one of them belongs to Orbital ATK / Northrop Grumman Innovation Systems
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:57 am

Ah.. looks like I answered my own question:

https://www.airfleets.net/listing/l10-5.htm

If this list is accurate (I've checked it against another site database), there are just slightly under half of total production remaining, about 116. That's not bad. I wonder what a complete plane would go for right now.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 am

Strangely, there were two thoroughly derelict L-1011s on the ramp at El Alamein, Egypt about five years ago. Likely still there.

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:09 am

The only one flying (as of two months ago) is N140SC, the Orbital launch platform. Supposedly Stratolaunch will replace it.

There has been an effort by an American company to bring four retired RAF L-1011s back into service as contract air refueling tankers, but so far they are still sitting in storage at Bruntingthorpe.

There are probably about ten to fifteen others scattered around the world in various states of decomposition; the rest have been scrapped. Airfleets is significantly out of date with respect to this fleet.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:13 am

2 are left in Kansas City. 1 at the international airport and 1 at the downtown -general/charter airport. The first still has its engines the latter is an engineless musuem piece. The international airport L1011 was formerly the mobile air hospital. Interiors and airframes are all entirely intact.

Both ownership groups are trying to get their birds back in the air.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:57 am

Whatever happened to the Sands L1011? Still in Thailand?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:44 am

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Whatever happened to the Sands L1011? Still in Thailand?

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:33 am

Sadly the decertification of the RB.211-22 engine pretty much ended the viability of the L1011... Even the 524 powered portion of the fleet just isn't viable to support... So this was the certain fate :'(

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:53 am

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The only one flying (as of two months ago) is N140SC, the Orbital launch platform. Supposedly Stratolaunch will replace it.

There has been an effort by an American company to bring four retired RAF L-1011s back into service as contract air refueling tankers, but so far they are still sitting in storage at Bruntingthorpe.

There are probably about ten to fifteen others scattered around the world in various states of decomposition; the rest have been scrapped. Airfleets is significantly out of date with respect to this fleet.


Hasn't Stratolaunch been scrubbed since the death of Paul Allen?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:26 am

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2 are left in Kansas City. 1 at the international airport and 1 at the downtown -general/charter airport. The first still has its engines the latter is an engineless musuem piece. The international airport L1011 was formerly the mobile air hospital. Interiors and airframes are all entirely intact.

Both ownership groups are trying to get their birds back in the air.


I've seen both these birds recently.

N31019 c/n 1066 'on display' at the Airline History Museum at Kansas City Downtown (MKC). I say on display, it's in very poor condition and I'll be amazed if it ever flies again. The museum has great plans, but sadly funding reality and those plans will never meet.

N910TE c/n 1064 stored at Kansas City International (MKI). Flew from Tucson (where it had been stored for a long time) to Kansas July last year I believe.

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:16 am

Also there is one that has Been in lys for quite a few
Years. I imagine it will end up as scrap one day which is sad .
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:01 am

emuwarveteran wrote:
according to Wikipedia "As of 2019, three L-1011s in the world are airworthy." one of them belongs to Orbital ATK / Northrop Grumman Innovation Systems


Two of them. Orbital ATK (Northrop Grumman) also bought N91011, supposedly for spare parts. But the airframe remains rather intact and preserved:

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... rtxt=91011

https://www.tristar500.net/airframes/msn1241.htm
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:11 am

crownvic wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
The only one flying (as of two months ago) is N140SC, the Orbital launch platform. Supposedly Stratolaunch will replace it.

There has been an effort by an American company to bring four retired RAF L-1011s back into service as contract air refueling tankers, but so far they are still sitting in storage at Bruntingthorpe.

There are probably about ten to fifteen others scattered around the world in various states of decomposition; the rest have been scrapped. Airfleets is significantly out of date with respect to this fleet.


Hasn't Stratolaunch been scrubbed since the death of Paul Allen?


They scrubbed all their other projects to focus on just the carrier vehicle
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:12 am

Is this one in NBO still around? You can see it 0:38 in the background.

https://youtu.be/IP05DjM0vFk

Also, not sure if the subject L-1011 N162AT is still somewhere in storage in the Middle East?

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:34 am

Wonder if we'll ever see a plane that looks like an L-1011 in the air again...my first 4 flights were on that bird...love them L-1011s!
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:42 am

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Wonder if we'll ever see a plane that looks like an L-1011 in the air again...my first 4 flights were on that bird...love them L-1011s!

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:51 am

There is one at the FAA Technical Center in ACY. It's used for fire testing (lithium batteries, chemical fires, and other fire related tests). It still 'has' the delta livery. Its serving a rather noble purpose i would think. Even in its afterlife it is helping to keep us safe.

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:56 am

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AntonioMartin wrote:
Wonder if we'll ever see a plane that looks like an L-1011 in the air again...my first 4 flights were on that bird...love them L-1011s!

There will never be another tube-and-wing trijet. There is no need for it; we can now make engines big enough that two is enough for anything we are likely to build. And, with the reliability if modern jet engines, two is the ideal number of engines.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:57 am

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There is one at the FAA Technical Center in ACY. It's used for fire testing (lithium batteries, chemical fires, and other fire related tests). It still 'has' the delta livery. Its serving a rather noble purpose i would think. Even in its afterlife it is helping to keep us safe.

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:45 pm

falter wrote:
Ah.. looks like I answered my own question:

https://www.airfleets.net/listing/l10-5.htm

If this list is accurate (I've checked it against another site database), there are just slightly under half of total production remaining, about 116. That's not bad. I wonder what a complete plane would go for right now.


I am really sceptical that there are still 116 units scattered around the globe.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:51 pm

The ex-RAF TriStars at Bruntingthorpe have apparently been acquired by Tempus Applied Solutions according to this . .
https://www.blogbeforeflight.net/2018/0 ... anker.html

They also list them as being in their fleet.. https://www.tempus-as.com/fly.php

So apparently there is life in these old birds. not seen any evidence of them flying yet.. as far as I know they are still at Bruntingthorpe.
Would be interested in any updates.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:56 pm

Well, I saw one in Jordan last year, by the airport, waiting for... god knows what:

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:41 pm

On airlinerlist.com we count 60 extant L1011s. I think that's closer to reality. It includes partially existing frames like the nose at Delta's museum in Atlanta, the wrecks in Thailand, Jordan, Kenya, France, Kansa City, Roswell and other things mentioned above etc.
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:56 pm

Not sure how relevant for this thread, but here's also a few others from Jordan. Even seems to be a Start Alliance A321! The poor L1011 lonely in the corner, looking away, not part of the gang. Sigh.

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:38 pm

What happened to the OTHER Las Vegas Sands L1011? The one that wasn't even painted into its livery.
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:03 pm

Well I'm glad to know there's more than just a couple still around.

I'm curious - looking 20-30 years out, is it even possible to keep a few of these flying? Like, how would pilots who have never flown an L1011 before obtain type rating? And where would you get a flight engineer when that position will have been redundant for 50 years? And sim training? Is it possible the way getting your ticket for running a steam engine is still possible today? I'm assuming it must be somehow - since there are still WWII and earlier crewed aircraft still being flown from time to time.

That's another thing I'm curious about -- I'm assuming they had simulators for the L1011... what happens to those? Do they just get scrapped or does some deep pocketed collector grab them?
 
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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:28 pm

Hello Galaxyflyer, looked on Google Earth and there are actually 3 airframes at El Alamein, but not enough detail to discern if they are L1011s or DC-10s.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:58 pm

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Hello Galaxyflyer, looked on Google Earth and there are actually 3 airframes at El Alamein, but not enough detail to discern if they are L1011s or DC-10s.


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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:03 pm

Why haven't the 1011been converted into freighters like the DC10 or the MD11?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:09 pm

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Sadly the decertification of the RB.211-22 engine pretty much ended the viability of the L1011... Even the 524 powered portion of the fleet just isn't viable to support... So this was the certain fate :'(

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:14 pm

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What does it mean if an engine is decertified?


It means it can no longer be used as an engine to power an aircraft. Essentially it no longer has the certificate which allows it to fly. Anything with this engine is no longer permitted in the air and the manufacturer no longer supports it.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:14 pm

SR380 wrote:
Why haven't the 1011been converted into freighters like the DC10 or the MD11?


I would guess it has something to do with numbers and the fact that the L1011 didn't have a glass cockpit upgrade option (eliminating the need for a third person on the flight deck) like the DC10 did with the MD10 upgrade. I'm guessing if you have a choice between a fairly low production aircraft that requires a 3 man crew or a more plentiful aircraft with 2 man crew and lots of spare parts, you're probably going to go with the latter.

That's my semi-educated guess. :)
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:17 pm

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Why haven't the 1011been converted into freighters like the DC10 or the MD11?


A few were. Arrow Air and Kalitta operated some.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:20 pm

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On airlinerlist.com we count 60 extant L1011s. I think that's closer to reality. It includes partially existing frames like the nose at Delta's museum in Atlanta, the wrecks in Thailand, Jordan, Kenya, France, Kansa City, Roswell and other things mentioned above etc.


Very sad. My first flight ever was on an L1011, Eastern Air lines 1979. It was also the only flight I ever had on the type.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:25 pm

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blacksoviet wrote:
What does it mean if an engine is decertified?


It means it can no longer be used as an engine to power an aircraft. Essentially it no longer has the certificate which allows it to fly. Anything with this engine is no longer permitted in the air and the manufacturer no longer supports it.

But according to airfleets.net, the Orbital Science L1011 still has the RB-211-22 engines. How can this airplane still fly if the engines are decertified?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:41 pm

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Why haven't the 1011been converted into freighters like the DC10 or the MD11?

Arrow Air.

And Fine Air before that... :D
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:43 pm

ILNFlyer wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
On airlinerlist.com we count 60 extant L1011s. I think that's closer to reality. It includes partially existing frames like the nose at Delta's museum in Atlanta, the wrecks in Thailand, Jordan, Kenya, France, Kansa City, Roswell and other things mentioned above etc.


Very sad. My first flight ever was on an L1011, Eastern Air lines 1979. It was also the only flight I ever had on the type.

Mine was on Delta L-1011, one year after yours. Also flew on Eastern ones in 1981...
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:08 pm

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And Fine Air before that... :D


haha yeah! I thought about them but could only remember their DC-8s.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:30 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
On airlinerlist.com we count 60 extant L1011s. I think that's closer to reality. It includes partially existing frames like the nose at Delta's museum in Atlanta, the wrecks in Thailand, Jordan, Kenya, France, Kansa City, Roswell and other things mentioned above etc.


Very sad. My first flight ever was on an L1011, Eastern Air lines 1979. It was also the only flight I ever had on the type.

Mine was on Delta L-1011, one year after yours. Also flew on Eastern ones in 1981...


I flew in one a couple times via Air Transat in the late 90s from Toronto to Vancouver and back. And I believe we also flew on them with Air Canada when I was a kid. I remember whatever we flew on having twin aisles and being quite wide.. I don't think it was a 747. Don't know what else Air Canada would have been flying in the very early 80s.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:36 pm

I was lucky to be driving near Mojave when off in the distance I saw a plane doing touch 'n goes. It turns out it was the Orbital L1011, and I was able to fire off some shots as she came in for a few rounds

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and after the touch and goes, and look what happened to taxi out and take off:

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:42 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What does it mean if an engine is decertified?


It means it can no longer be used as an engine to power an aircraft. Essentially it no longer has the certificate which allows it to fly. Anything with this engine is no longer permitted in the air and the manufacturer no longer supports it.

But according to airfleets.net, the Orbital Science L1011 still has the RB-211-22 engines. How can this airplane still fly if the engines are decertified?
The Orbital Science L-1011 -22b engines were converted to -524's many years ago, the Tristar Experience L-1011 still has -22b engines and was ferried from Tuscon to Kansas City with them. Nothing beats the unique sounds that the -22b makes from start up, to taxi, applying power etc!
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blacksoviet wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:

It means it can no longer be used as an engine to power an aircraft. Essentially it no longer has the certificate which allows it to fly. Anything with this engine is no longer permitted in the air and the manufacturer no longer supports it.

But according to airfleets.net, the Orbital Science L1011 still has the RB-211-22 engines. How can this airplane still fly if the engines are decertified?
The Orbital Science L-1011 -22b engines were converted to -524's many years ago, the Tristar Experience L-1011 still has -22b engines and was ferried from Tuscon to Kansas City with them. Nothing beats the unique sounds that the -22b makes from start up, to taxi, applying power etc!

Did they get a waiver from the FAA to ferry the aircraft?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:24 pm

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ricpeterson wrote:
Hello Galaxyflyer, looked on Google Earth and there are actually 3 airframes at El Alamein, but not enough detail to discern if they are L1011s or DC-10s.


They're all Tristars!

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TZ-SGI c/n 1237
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Hey, many thanks! My memory may have slipped on the number, but I remembered them being there—it was a bit of surprise to see them. We had a few days at the beach!

I looked at Google, they’ve been moved over to that access road. When I was there, probably six years ago, they were on the west side of the main ramp. Could have been two parked on those spots. Good memories at the A al Alamein hotel.


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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:37 pm

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AntonioMartin wrote:
And Fine Air before that... :D


haha yeah! I thought about them but could only remember their DC-8s.

:lol: I feel you; I almost put Fina Air (a small Puerto Rican passenger airline) myself writing here!
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:41 pm

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AntonioMartin wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:

Very sad. My first flight ever was on an L1011, Eastern Air lines 1979. It was also the only flight I ever had on the type.

Mine was on Delta L-1011, one year after yours. Also flew on Eastern ones in 1981...


I flew in one a couple times via Air Transat in the late 90s from Toronto to Vancouver and back. And I believe we also flew on them with Air Canada when I was a kid. I remember whatever we flew on having twin aisles and being quite wide.. I don't think it was a 747. Don't know what else Air Canada would have been flying in the very early 80s.

AC did fly the 767's per Gimly Glider incident..
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:51 pm

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I flew in one a couple times via Air Transat in the late 90s from Toronto to Vancouver and back. And I believe we also flew on them with Air Canada when I was a kid. I remember whatever we flew on having twin aisles and being quite wide.. I don't think it was a 747. Don't know what else Air Canada would have been flying in the very early 80s.


Canadian Pacific DC-10, rather than Air Canada?
 
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After BWIA retired all theirs, 9Y-TJN was stored at the local military museum here in Trinidad & Tobago, but they neglected to properly take care of//preserve it, resulting in the sad state it is in now. (Search #9ytgn on IG for some pics at the museum).
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:58 pm

seabosdca wrote:
falter wrote:
I flew in one a couple times via Air Transat in the late 90s from Toronto to Vancouver and back. And I believe we also flew on them with Air Canada when I was a kid. I remember whatever we flew on having twin aisles and being quite wide.. I don't think it was a 747. Don't know what else Air Canada would have been flying in the very early 80s.


Canadian Pacific DC-10, rather than Air Canada?


It was definitely Air Canada.. I distinctly remember the old Air Canada maple leaf on everything. They gave out those old plastic transfer things for us kids.. the ones that had images on them and you rubbed it with a pencil and it transfered the image to paper?

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos