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Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:21 am

Should BA operate their London City to New York flight to LaGuardia?
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:22 am

Perimeter Rule?
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:23 am

Most definitely. But until the organized crime ring known as the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is broken up and the artificial perimeter rule is taken down, it won't happen.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:04 am

It would obviously work better in Newark. :stirthepot:
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:08 am

They can’t. Plus why would it make any difference?
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:25 am

There are no US Customs and Immigration facilities at LaGuardia.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:28 am

Bobloblaw wrote:
They can’t. Plus why would it make any difference?

Maybe OP thinks the business travelers who fill flights would be better served by what OP considers the best airport for Manhattan access.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:30 am

Bobloblaw wrote:
They can’t. Plus why would it make any difference?


Because LGA is closer to the business district of New York. I think the OP is citing that fact that LCY is a much closer in airport and wondering why the flight doesn’t also use the closest NYC airport.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:42 am

JettNC wrote:
There are no US Customs and Immigration facilities at LaGuardia.


On the inbound, the flight stops in SNN for refueling, at which time the passengers are processed by CBP as part of pre-clearance.The arrival into JFK is an equivalent to a domestic flight.

The issue is the perimeter rule, not CBP/Immigration.
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:44 am

Maybe if they got fifth freedom from YYZ or YUL like CX has from YVR, otherwise I don't see this being a chance.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:51 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
They can’t. Plus why would it make any difference?


Because LGA is closer to the business district of New York. I think the OP is citing that fact that LCY is a much closer in airport and wondering why the flight doesn’t also use the closest NYC airport.

The distance difference between LCY and LHR is much greater than between LGA and JFK to the business district. A NYC equivalent would be if there was an airport on manhattan island
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:44 am

BA could fly LCY-LGA on Saturdays, when the perimeter rule doesn't apply.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:10 am

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BA could fly LCY-LGA on Saturdays, when the perimeter rule doesn't apply.


And when business travel demand to Manhattan’s financial institutions is somewhere bordering on nonexistent.
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:12 am

Saturday is not a peak day for business travel
LCY-JFK is not aimed at those desiring cheap fares
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:59 am

Austin787 wrote:
BA could fly LCY-LGA on Saturdays, when the perimeter rule doesn't apply.


Quite apart from the valid points about this being a business class only service aimed at business travellers, who tend not to work on Saturdays, the plane could leave LCY on a Saturday, as its takeoff time is just before LCY's weekend curfew starts, but it couldn't return from LGA on a Saturday evening as the curfew is still in force on a Sunday morning so arrival at LCY would be impossible. Just how popular would a flight that operates in one direction only once a week be?
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:17 am

Let's open this up shall we? What if BA instead flew into Teterboro?
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:26 am

The other thing to consider is, well, LGA. Arriving in an all J class aircraft from overseas into LGA is like rolling into a slum in a Bentley.

JFK leaves much to be desired, but it isnt a slum like LaGuardia.
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:44 am

How about LCY-YOW/YUL/YHZ-LGA-(any airport close to LGA)-LCY
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:50 am

chunhimlai wrote:
How about LCY-YOW/YUL-LGA-(any airport close to LGA)-LCY

This is a service operated by a single 32 seat plane. Just what commercial advantage would a routing like this bring, given that it will still have to make a refuelling stop at SNN as an A318 cannot take off from LCY with sufficient fuel to make it across the Atlantic?
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:53 am

chunhimlai wrote:
How about LCY-YOW/YUL-LGA-(any airport close to LGA)-LCY


You would still need to stop for fuel at SNN. I'm open to be corrected, but I don't think the runway at LCY is long enough to allow an A318 to take off to reach at least one of the eastern Canadian airports. Another advantage of SNN is US border pre-clearance, so the time on the ground refuelling is at least more productive for the passengers.

Another reason I can think of for JFK is if the A318 goes tech for whatever reason and the eastbound flight is cancelled, passengers could be easily transferred onto a LHR or LGW flight if they have to be in London (assuming there's availability of course!). I imagine that's not straightforward to co-ordinate if all the passengers are at LGA.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:58 am

Boeing74741R wrote:
chunhimlai wrote:
How about LCY-YOW/YUL-LGA-(any airport close to LGA)-LCY


You would still need to stop for fuel at SNN. I'm open to be corrected, but I don't think the runway at LCY is long enough to allow an A318 to take off to reach at least one of the eastern Canadian airports. Another advantage of SNN is US border pre-clearance, so the time on the ground refuelling is at least more productive for the passengers.

Another reason I can think of for JFK is if the A318 goes tech for whatever reason and the eastbound flight is cancelled, passengers could be easily transferred onto a LHR or LGW flight if they have to be in London (assuming there's availability of course!). I imagine that's not straightforward to co-ordinate if all the passengers are at LGA.


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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:02 am

There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:12 am

Galwayman wrote:
There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy


Why have split ops ? JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:12 am

NTLDaz wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy


Why have split ops ? JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Strategic advantage of being the only airline offering transatlantic flights from 3 New York airports , greater choice of offerings and increased flexibility , a chance to enter a no competition market LGA > EU nonstop which no other airline can feasibly enter ( the holy grail of capitalism ) , numerous advantages ... of fact it offers advantages to EI that it can’t to other airlines ..,and that’s kind of important in business , identifying a market that will work for you and won’t for others
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:37 am

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NTLDaz wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy


Why have split ops ? JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Strategic advantage of being the only airline offering transatlantic flights from 3 New York airports , greater choice of offerings and increased flexibility , a chance to enter a no competition market LGA > EU nonstop which no other airline can feasibly enter ( the holy grail of capitalism ) , numerous advantages ... of fact it offers advantages to EI that it can’t to other airlines ..,and that’s kind of important in business , identifying a market that will work for you and won’t for others


If it could be done daily I'd understand but just for weekends doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:44 am

As has been said above, LGA isn’t that much closer to Wall St vs JFK. LCY is right on the doorstep of the City* vs LHR. And at JFK, if there’s a technical problem on the A318, there’s about six widebodies in its place going to LHR.

And if the perimeter rule at LGA was lifted for a foreign carrier, the CEOs of every US carrier would burn down the offices of the Port Authority, the FAA, the White House and maybe even the Marine Terminal.

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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:44 am

Galwayman wrote:
There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy

The logistics really aren't that easy - are you talking about setting up a Maintenance base for 1 flight a week? Or bringing a selection of Spare parts from JFK to LGA just in case? (that all need to be screened to go airside at either end of the trip) - There aren't many A321 ops at LGA as it is, never mind neo ops that they could borrow parts from.
 
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Galwayman wrote:
There’s no perimeter rule at the weekend seemingly . Would be interesting to see EI launch weekend flights to LGA to see if there’s any revenue premiums ... the logistics of flipping a couple of A321LR flights to LGA are easy

The logistics really aren't that easy - are you talking about setting up a Maintenance base for 1 flight a week? Or bringing a selection of Spare parts from JFK to LGA just in case? (that all need to be screened to go airside at either end of the trip) - There aren't many A321 ops at LGA as it is, never mind neo ops that they could borrow parts from.


Maintenance base ?? For one flight a week ?? Haha you’d have to be nuts ( it’s LGA not Iran) ... just bus the passengers down the road for any irr opps

It would be like operating one flight a week to a slightly distant terminal from their jfk ops for a niche market Saturday only focus

If there’s no market demand there’s no market demand, but it can be very easily done if the airline want to

Would there be market demand ? That’s the only question really
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:55 am

Is there any currently valid logical reason for the perimeter rule or is it just a political choice or ancient relic?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:22 am

I suspect this flight will be canned soon enough. Second daily already dropped, pop-up lounge dropped and anyone who wanted to do it for the novelty, and could afford it, has done it. Crossrail is coming soon to Canary Wharf bringing the BA/AA LHR JV much closer.

It’s also the slowest way to actually fly LON-NYC.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:16 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
They can’t. Plus why would it make any difference?

Maybe OP thinks the business travelers who fill flights would be better served by what OP considers the best airport for Manhattan access.


So Newark?

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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:20 pm

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Is there any currently valid logical reason for the perimeter rule or is it just a political choice or ancient relic?


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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:20 pm

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It’s also the slowest way to actually fly LON-NYC.

Not necessarily. If you measure it as door-to-door that time spent on the ground in DUB is made up by not having to schlep to LHR which depending on the time of day it could take a couple of hours.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:29 pm

The difference between LGA and JFK just isn't noteworthy enough to make a whole separate flight worthwhile - it's not nearly as significant a location difference as LCY vs. LHR. The traffic can make getting to JFK a pain (it's taken me close to an hour to get from LGA to JFK on the Van Wyck on a bad day), but it can also be as short as 15 mins; on top of that, JFK has plenty of rail connections, and people in the NYC just don't differentiate *that* strongly between the two, particularly for a long-haul flight. Perimeter rule aside, it's a bit of a solution searching for a problem, honestly.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm

Andy33 wrote:
chunhimlai wrote:
How about LCY-YOW/YUL-LGA-(any airport close to LGA)-LCY

This is a service operated by a single 32 seat plane. Just what commercial advantage would a routing like this bring, given that it will still have to make a refuelling stop at SNN as an A318 cannot take off from LCY with sufficient fuel to make it across the Atlantic?


SNN-JFK 3070 miles
LCY-YHZ 2870 miles

Runway length might still be an issue.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:42 pm

They could do it on Saturdays right now if they wanted as the perimeter doesn't apply on Saturday. Alas, not much business demand on that day I suspect.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:43 pm

NTLDaz wrote:
JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Someone paying for J class doesn’t need to take the subway into Manhattan.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:53 pm

afcjets wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Someone paying for J class doesn’t need to take the subway into Manhattan.


Especially when that 'someone' paying for J class probably doesn't even travel on the flippin thing.. :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:32 pm

EI could have B6 handle everything for them at the Marine Air Terminal on Saturdays.

Almost no setup required
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:00 pm

afcjets wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Someone paying for J class doesn’t need to take the subway into Manhattan.


It isn't arguable. JFK does have better transport links than LGA.

Depending on what time of day they get in. It really doesn't take that much more time to get into midtown manhattan from JFK. And if you factor in now having to walk 15 minutes out of terminal B to get to ride share or the long taxi lines that take 20 to 30 minutes sometimes vs the much shorter line out of JFK T7 or the horde of sketchy illegal cab guys picking people up without having to wait in line. The driving time difference isn't very much. There is a reason JFK is capturing so much more within-perimeter travel.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 pm

tphuang wrote:
afcjets wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Someone paying for J class doesn’t need to take the subway into Manhattan.


It isn't arguable. JFK does have better transport links than LGA.

Depending on what time of day they get in. It really doesn't take that much more time to get into midtown manhattan from JFK. And if you factor in now having to walk 15 minutes out of terminal B to get to ride share or the long taxi lines that take 20 to 30 minutes sometimes vs the much shorter line out of JFK T7 or the horde of sketchy illegal cab guys picking people up without having to wait in line. The driving time difference isn't very much. There is a reason JFK is capturing so much more within-perimeter travel.



BA could price more and offer Chauffeur or even helicopter service in LGA and LCY
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:38 pm

skipness1E wrote:
I suspect this flight will be canned soon enough. Second daily already dropped, pop-up lounge dropped and anyone who wanted to do it for the novelty, and could afford it, has done it. Crossrail is coming soon to Canary Wharf bringing the BA/AA LHR JV much closer.

It’s also the slowest way to actually fly LON-NYC.

Yup. I was thinking that once Crossrail final opens too.

It'll take approximately 39 mins to get from LHR to Canary Wharf.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:38 pm

Bhoy wrote:
The logistics really aren't that easy - are you talking about setting up a Maintenance base for 1 flight a week?


Are you sure a maintenance base for a once a week flight is necessary? Many airlines fly once a week service, such as Delta's ATL to ANU Saturday only service. I just flew it last week, and I am sure they didn't have a maintenance base in ANU.
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:42 pm

Would be interesting to know, is the traffic on that flight originating on both ends or is it more about passengers living on one end or the other using it?
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:46 pm

tphuang wrote:
afcjets wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
JFK is not the end of the world. It arguably has better transport links than LGA.


Someone paying for J class doesn’t need to take the subway into Manhattan.


It isn't arguable. JFK does have better transport links than LGA.

Depending on what time of day they get in. It really doesn't take that much more time to get into midtown manhattan from JFK. And if you factor in now having to walk 15 minutes out of terminal B to get to ride share or the long taxi lines that take 20 to 30 minutes sometimes vs the much shorter line out of JFK T7 or the horde of sketchy illegal cab guys picking people up without having to wait in line. The driving time difference isn't very much. There is a reason JFK is capturing so much more within-perimeter travel.


Yes but the people taking BA1 aren't getting on the Airtrain to the LIRR at the end of their trip, nor are they hailing a cab in the cabstand, they are likely getting into pre arranged car services. I live on the UES and from personal experience, the Triboro to the FDR is a much better route to drive than the Belt or the Van Wyck to the LIE at 5:30pm on a week day (when BA1 gets in). It may not be that much further geographically, but the driving time disparity is enormous. That is why most domestic business travel still heads into LGA, despite all its other shortcomings.

That being said, the most logical reason beyond the perimiter rule why this wouldn't work was stated above, you can't reaccommodate passengers at LGA if the flight goes tech as easy as you could at JFK.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:53 pm

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There are no US Customs and Immigration facilities at LaGuardia.


Would not be needed. The LCY-JFK flight stops in SNN (runway at LCY is too short for a fully loaded A318 to take off and fly all the way across the pond). Passengers go through US customs and immigration checks in SNN while the plane is refueled, so that would not be the issue.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:54 pm

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As has been said above, LGA isn’t that much closer to Wall St vs JFK. LCY is right on the doorstep of the City* vs LHR. And at JFK, if there’s a technical problem on the A318, there’s about six widebodies in its place going to LHR.

And if the perimeter rule at LGA was lifted for a foreign carrier, the CEOs of every US carrier would burn down the offices of the Port Authority, the FAA, the White House and maybe even the Marine Terminal.

* as London’s financial district is known


Wall Street, or more specifically, the Financial District in New York City isn't the heart of the Financial Services industry and has not been for decades. The proximity issue is Manhattan more broadly and to that end, LGA is indeed closer.
 
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Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:16 pm

GuruJanitor wrote:

Yes but the people taking BA1 aren't getting on the Airtrain to the LIRR at the end of their trip, nor are they hailing a cab in the cabstand, they are likely getting into pre arranged car services. I live on the UES and from personal experience, the Triboro to the FDR is a much better route to drive than the Belt or the Van Wyck to the LIE at 5:30pm on a week day (when BA1 gets in). It may not be that much further geographically, but the driving time disparity is enormous. That is why most domestic business travel still heads into LGA, despite all its other shortcomings.

That being said, the most logical reason beyond the perimiter rule why this wouldn't work was stated above, you can't reaccommodate passengers at LGA if the flight goes tech as easy as you could at JFK.


I can't say for BA1, but the vast majority of people flying J on JFK-LHR and vast majority of people flying to LGA are not getting pre-aranged car services. I also can't say for 5:30 pm since I rarely fly out at that hour, but at the hours I do fly out of, JFK is anywhere up to 30 minutes further out than LGA by car, which when factor in congestion in the taxi line at terminal B and the new car-ride rules make things a lot more even. Now getting to the airport, I would agree with you that LGA is closer for people working in midtown area.

But depending on where you live in the city, the difference really isn't as large as some people make it out to be.
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:28 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
As has been said above, LGA isn’t that much closer to Wall St vs JFK. LCY is right on the doorstep of the City* vs LHR. And at JFK, if there’s a technical problem on the A318, there’s about six widebodies in its place going to LHR.

And if the perimeter rule at LGA was lifted for a foreign carrier, the CEOs of every US carrier would burn down the offices of the Port Authority, the FAA, the White House and maybe even the Marine Terminal.

* as London’s financial district is known


Wall Street, or more specifically, the Financial District in New York City isn't the heart of the Financial Services industry and has not been for decades. The proximity issue is Manhattan more broadly and to that end, LGA is indeed closer.



But EWR is even closer and can cater to those who, dare I say it, need to be WEST of the Hudson!
 
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Re: Would it be better if BA flew their LCY-NY flight to LGA?

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:37 pm

EWRandMDW wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
As has been said above, LGA isn’t that much closer to Wall St vs JFK. LCY is right on the doorstep of the City* vs LHR. And at JFK, if there’s a technical problem on the A318, there’s about six widebodies in its place going to LHR.

And if the perimeter rule at LGA was lifted for a foreign carrier, the CEOs of every US carrier would burn down the offices of the Port Authority, the FAA, the White House and maybe even the Marine Terminal.

* as London’s financial district is known


Wall Street, or more specifically, the Financial District in New York City isn't the heart of the Financial Services industry and has not been for decades. The proximity issue is Manhattan more broadly and to that end, LGA is indeed closer.



But EWR is even closer and can cater to those who, dare I say it, need to be WEST of the Hudson!


If you use midtown Manhattan as a guidepost, LGA is just shy of 12 miles from midtown, with EWR closer to 17 miles, so no, EWR is not "even" closer. The one advantage EWR does have over LGA is a direct public transportation link via NJ Transit to Penn Station.

Regardless, BA isn't moving the LCY flight any time soon to another NYC airport. JFK is BA's main and largest base outside the UK and can handle irregular ops more smoothly via BA/AA. LGA is perimeter restricted every day of the week but Saturday for now and so the discussion around BA flying the A318 out of LGA is a moot point.

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