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Rumor: Turkish Airlines could start flying to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:01 am

Amazing news today....
Turkish Airlines Chairman Ayci confirms plans to begin flying to Australia by June 2019 following the arrival of the airline’s Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners.
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:03 am

¿SYD?....¿MEL?......non stop from IST?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:34 am

Would be really interesting to see what they do:

IST-PER wouldn't be much of a challenge for a 789 at all.
IST-MEL would be almost the exact same distance as PER-LHR

IST-SYD would easily become the longest 787 route ever attempted though-- nearly 300mi longer than QF's PER-LHR, more than 520mi longer than UA's LAX-SIN. :eek:

.....not sure a 789 has the moxy for that, unless TK goes with an ultra-sparse high-premium configuration, similar to SQ's ULR cabin.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:52 am

Perth must be a great idea.
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:52 am

Believe Australia was always in TK's thinking when they committed to getting 789's. I reckon IST-PER is a given. Can't see TK going with a low-density high-premium cabin though.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:55 am

I don't think PER is included in the bilateral, it was either 3 weekly each to SYD / MEL or 6 weekly each.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:55 am

Could their 77W's not do IST-PER today with decent payload?

Just curious why they need to wait for the 789 if they want to get into Australia?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:57 am

Would they have the rights to (for example) fly 3x daily IST-PER, with each one continuing on to SYD, MEL and BNE?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:03 am

Another option Europe - Australia. I guess that they aren't after point to point travel. Interesting though, if they were to go after Syd or Mel instead of Perth. Qantas has a lot of options to feed PER-LHR, on both sides, Turkish Airlines not so much.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:14 am

Dutchy wrote:
Another option Europe - Australia. I guess that they aren't after point to point travel. Interesting though, if they were to go after Syd or Mel instead of Perth. Qantas has a lot of options to feed PER-LHR, on both sides, Turkish Airlines not so much.


Wonder if VA would be open to some sort of partnership to help feed them in Australia?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:18 am

I hate to be a cynic- I’ll believe it when I see the TK aircraft on the ground here!!

AU -IST has been mentioned by TK management several times over the past 8yrs, intially via Asia, then more recently non-stop. I believe at one point they started recruiting for airport managers... I do hope this time it comes through.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:33 am

Just to clarify a couple things

Firstly bilaterals

When Australia government defines bilaterals they are normally divided into 2 groups, cap on frequencies to the main 4 ports being SYD, BNE, MEL & PER. The cap can be on number of frequencies or seat count. The second part is all ports outside the big 4 normally are given unlimited frequency

Under the Australia - Turkey bilateral there is currently only 7 weekly services allowed so there is not much scope for services

The Bilateral reads

AVAILABLE CAPACITY:
PASSENGER SERVICES:

Between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth and Turkey

Seven (7) services per week

Between Samsun Carsamba, Nevsehir Kapadokya, and Gaziantep and Australia

Unrestricted capacity, frequency and aircraft type


Additionally on codesharing

In operating or holding out international air transportation the designated airlines of Australian shall have the right, over all or any part of their specified route to enter into code share, blocked space, or other cooperative marketing arrangements, as the operating and/or marketing airline, any other airline, including other Australian airlines and third party airlines.


https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/ ... 017-18.pdf

https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/ ... 220818.pdf

Secondly if flights are launched for June 19 as has been mentioned today it will be likely be via a city in Asia with the prospect of the 7 weekly services split between SYD or MEL or alternatively to one of those cities only. Previously CGK, SIN and BKK have been mentioned as possible cities served to Australia however given that TK is launching DPS they may also use DPS as a transit point.

While IST-PER is possible non-stop I don't think TK will fly here to start with, they are keen on service to SYD and MEL A few months ago I would have said IST-PER would be a non-starter but given EY is pulling out of PER in 12 days time there is a opportunity for TK in the PER market.
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:49 am

Maybe also via KUL. Having said that I doubt TK would be able to get CGK slots even if they have the authority/traffic rights (Garuda indirectly says no).
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:30 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Could their 77W's not do IST-PER today with decent payload?

Just curious why they need to wait for the 789 if they want to get into Australia?

IST-PER is only around 7,500 statute miles, shorter than quite a fair few 77W routes today.
 
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DylanHarvey wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Could their 77W's not do IST-PER today with decent payload?

Just curious why they need to wait for the 789 if they want to get into Australia?

IST-PER is only around 7,500 statute miles, shorter than quite a fair few 77W routes today.


That's what I kind of thought as well. Perhaps the 77W wouldn't be able to do it as profitably then or is simply too much capacity for the route?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:06 pm

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Amazing news today....
Turkish Airlines Chairman Ayci confirms plans to begin flying to Australia by June 2019 following the arrival of the airline’s Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners.

Somehow I saw that coming. I wonder if other European airlines such as AF, AY, DY, LH or SU would start flying to Australia in the future, either non-stop or with a stopover at SIN, HKG or elsewhere.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:10 pm

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Would be really interesting to see what they do:

IST-PER wouldn't be much of a challenge for a 789 at all.
IST-MEL would be almost the exact same distance as PER-LHR

IST-SYD would easily become the longest 787 route ever attempted though-- nearly 300mi longer than QF's PER-LHR, more than 520mi longer than UA's LAX-SIN. :eek:

.....not sure a 789 has the moxy for that, unless TK goes with an ultra-sparse high-premium configuration, similar to SQ's ULR cabin.


If TK goes 4-class (First, Business, Premium Economy, Economy w/ 32" pitch) that would be sparse enough, no?
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:27 pm

If TK wanted to fly to PER, they would have done so by now. But with only x7 weekly flights allowed to Australia's Big 4, TK wants either SYD or MEL. I'm not too sure about splitting up the frequency between the two cities, I think that it would make more sense to operate a daily service from 1 city, it would be more attractive to the premium/corporate market.

Its tricky to pick which city though, SYD obviously has a larger business market, but MEL is not too far behind and also has a larger local Turkish population, more than half live in Melbourne and its a big VFR market that the ME3 currently pick up. However it looks like TK is leaning towards SYD, but MEL has a good chance too.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:58 pm

Interesting, this puts it on par with the ME3 on the one-stop-close-to-Europe route..

With the new airport coming online basically now, they can maybe attract a fair share of the premium market on the Kangaroo..

Would the TK product be attractive to this public who would want to avoid DXB or fly something else than CX for instance?

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:08 pm

Between SQ and NZ there ought to be enough *A FF's in AUS that might appreciate an alternative to SQ as a means to get to Europe. So this might work for TK.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:12 pm

Here we go.
For a 515kts cruise speed:

IST-MEL 7,893nm 15:20
IST-SYD 8,076nm 15:41
IST-BNE 7,973nm 15:29
IST-PER 6,499nm 12:37

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ist-mel,+ist-syd,+ist-bne,+ist-per&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:16 pm

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The Bilateral reads

AVAILABLE CAPACITY:
PASSENGER SERVICES:


Between Samsun Carsamba, Nevsehir Kapadokya, and Gaziantep and Australia

Unrestricted capacity, frequency and aircraft type
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Why bother putting in this section into the bi-laterals? Is it to make it "reciprocal"?
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:23 pm

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If TK wanted to fly to PER, they would have done so by now. But with only x7 weekly flights allowed to Australia's Big 4, TK wants either SYD or MEL. I'm not too sure about splitting up the frequency between the two cities, I think that it would make more sense to operate a daily service from 1 city, it would be more attractive to the premium/corporate market.

Its tricky to pick which city though, SYD obviously has a larger business market, but MEL is not too far behind and also has a larger local Turkish population, more than half live in Melbourne and its a big VFR market that the ME3 currently pick up. However it looks like TK is leaning towards SYD, but MEL has a good chance too.



Don't forget the big Greek & Lebanese descendant population here in MEL as well. Both nationalites make regular trips back 'home', even those who are 2nd & 3rd generation Australian. If nothing else TK would have appeal as 'something different' from the usual ME3, and the nice new airport will have appeal as well. TK would do well to focus on those looking to head to Eastern Europe/Balkans & the mid-east instead of the London/Paris, etc market where yields are cactus. Not hard ATM to get a fare from MEL to London/Paris or AMS return for under AUD$1,000 if you're not picky about which airline you fly.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:29 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Could their 77W's not do IST-PER today with decent payload?

Just curious why they need to wait for the 789 if they want to get into Australia?

IST-PER is only around 7,500 statute miles, shorter than quite a fair few 77W routes today.


That's what I kind of thought as well. Perhaps the 77W wouldn't be able to do it as profitably then or is simply too much capacity for the route?

I’d imagine too much capacity, TK would’ve done it already. I think the configuration is 49J and 300Y on their 77W’s.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:31 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Here we go.
For a 515kts cruise speed:

IST-MEL 7,893nm 15:20
IST-SYD 8,076nm 15:41
IST-BNE 7,973nm 15:29
IST-PER 6,499nm 12:37

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ist-mel,+ist-syd,+ist-bne,+ist-per&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*

A low density 789 will be the best option for those, because of the slots TK prefer SYD or MEL, it will be able to do them profitably.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:41 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Here we go.
For a 515kts cruise speed:

IST-MEL 7,893nm 15:20
IST-SYD 8,076nm 15:41
IST-BNE 7,973nm 15:29
IST-PER 6,499nm 12:37

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ist-mel,+ist-syd,+ist-bne,+ist-per&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*


East bound isn't a problem, it's the west bound flights that will be at the limits from SYD or MEL.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:52 pm

Recent economical scenario in Turkey seems to be a bit worrying with respect to the expected commencement of such flight.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Australia was always on the cards of Turkish, and I believe it was only a matter of time to find the perfect metal to get Down Under.

The huge and potential of connections for TK is in IST, so the flight probably will go "truly" down to MEL/SYD.
This is a different routing to the current connection through the Middle East. It opens the possibilities to connect World and Australia in only two flights. For instance, many cities in Europe do not yet have a connection to DXB or DOH, whereas they do have a connection to IST. I bet TK can fairly compete in costs both Qatar and Emirates, which represents also an advantage in front of QF.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm

Oh boy, they really pushing B787-9 range don't they. They probably wouldn't carry any revenue cargo and sparse configurations in the cabin.

But do they have enough demand to fill the seat to Perth? Sydney/Melbourne does make sense, but not Perth.

Also, since they also have A350-900 on order, why don't they use that instead? it got like 400-500nm more range than B787-9.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:47 pm

Now let's wait if TK launches IST-MEX.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:33 pm

Could they maybe do it with the 359? It has more range than the 789, which would help them reach SYD, which I assume would be their first goal. They could also reintroduce Premium Economy on the A350. A 7-abreast cabin with, say, 42'' pitch would do the trick, and would help keep capacity at lower levels to be able to reach SYD non-stop.
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Could their 77W's not do IST-PER today with decent payload?

Just curious why they need to wait for the 789 if they want to get into Australia?


Maybe the 773ER is a little but much airplane to start such a route -- also they want to go to MEL or SYD maybe.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:04 pm

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Oh boy, they really pushing B787-9 range don't they. They probably wouldn't carry any revenue cargo and sparse configurations in the cabin.

But do they have enough demand to fill the seat to Perth? Sydney/Melbourne does make sense, but not Perth.

Also, since they also have A350-900 on order, why don't they use that instead? it got like 400-500nm more range than B787-9.



Look at the flight durations back a few posts. Yes, the 789 would still be able to carry some cargo. UA is able to carry some cargo Westbound on the SFO-SIN sector.
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Interesting, this puts it on par with the ME3 on the one-stop-close-to-Europe route..

With the new airport coming online basically now, they can maybe attract a fair share of the premium market on the Kangaroo..

Would the TK product be attractive to this public who would want to avoid DXB or fly something else than CX for instance?

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TK is already part of the ME3 if you consider EY out. If TK goes to Australia, they could quickly become far stronger than the retrenching EY.
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Would be really interesting to see what they do:

IST-PER wouldn't be much of a challenge for a 789 at all.
IST-MEL would be almost the exact same distance as PER-LHR

IST-SYD would easily become the longest 787 route ever attempted though-- nearly 300mi longer than QF's PER-LHR, more than 520mi longer than UA's LAX-SIN. :eek:

.....not sure a 789 has the moxy for that, unless TK goes with an ultra-sparse high-premium configuration, similar to SQ's ULR cabin.


If TK goes 4-class (First, Business, Premium Economy, Economy w/ 32" pitch) that would be sparse enough, no?

Probably not, seeing as those F and C seats tend to weigh so much.

In the absence of a dedicated fleet, I'm guessing they'd still need to leave quite a few Y seats empty on the westbound if they opt for SYD nonstop.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:26 pm

How many years has TK been planning to fly to Australia? Although with EY retreating it might not be such a bad time.

At this point i'll believe it when I open up FR24 and see a THY callsign tracking southeast over the Kimberley.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:29 pm

This has been misreported. The route will use their A350's.

The 787-9 can't do SYD-IST unless it has 120-150 passengers. The standard 280T A350-900 can carry twice as many passengers that distance.

These are the exact routes that justify a split fleet of 787's and A350's. You put the A350's on the ultra long haul routes and the 787's on normal long haul routes.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:32 pm

First, as a moderator, please post links if it is a fact. I have changed the subject to rumor.

As an enthusiast, I see TK profitably entering the market with the A350 or 789.

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:35 pm

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This has been misreported. The route will use their A350's.

The 787-9 can't do SYD-IST unless it has 120-150 passengers. The standard 280T A350-900 can carry twice as many passengers that distance.

These are the exact routes that justify a split fleet of 787's and A350's. You put the A350's on the ultra long haul routes and the 787's on normal long haul routes.

Link on misreported rumor? The 789 has proven able to carry more cargo on Perth-LHR than plan. So IST-SYD is plausible. I personally do believe the A350 should be considered.

But which aircraft is A vs. B until we know more. Both can fly the route, with the A359 having more payload, but the 789 has proven more capable than you give it credit.

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Would be really interesting to see what they do:

IST-PER wouldn't be much of a challenge for a 789 at all.
IST-MEL would be almost the exact same distance as PER-LHR

IST-SYD would easily become the longest 787 route ever attempted though-- nearly 300mi longer than QF's PER-LHR, more than 520mi longer than UA's LAX-SIN. :eek:

.....not sure a 789 has the moxy for that, unless TK goes with an ultra-sparse high-premium configuration, similar to SQ's ULR cabin.


If TK goes 4-class (First, Business, Premium Economy, Economy w/ 32" pitch) that would be sparse enough, no?

Probably not, seeing as those F and C seats tend to weigh so much.

In the absence of a dedicated fleet, I'm guessing they'd still need to leave quite a few Y seats empty on the westbound if they opt for SYD nonstop.


Does a First/Business Class seat + occupant + baggage + catering weigh more than the equivalent # of Economy Seats + Occupants + Baggage + Catering?
 
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Does a First/Business Class seat + occupant + baggage + catering weigh more than the equivalent # of Economy Seats + Occupants + Baggage + Catering?

Yep.

A single J seat can weigh as much as a whole row of 9abreast Y seats. F seats are even worse.

It's not uncommon for J seats to weigh 80-100kg... and that's before airline customization choices.

Economy seats, OTOH, usually weigh closer to 12-15kg.
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Interesting, this puts it on par with the ME3 on the one-stop-close-to-Europe route..

With the new airport coming online basically now, they can maybe attract a fair share of the premium market on the Kangaroo..

Would the TK product be attractive to this public who would want to avoid DXB or fly something else than CX for instance?

Regards..

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One stop only from Perth. Unless TK figures out how to get to MEL and SYD, it's still a double stop/connection. Sounds like a good buy for the 778.
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First choice has to be SYD, though MEL might prove a safer bet due to it being marginally closer IST.
I don't see much reason to do PER, as I reckon QF have that covered
 
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First choice has to be SYD, though MEL might prove a safer bet due to it being marginally closer IST.
I don't see much reason to do PER, as I reckon QF have that covered


I would be very surprised if it wasn’t SYD or MEL to begin with. Both have pros and cons for the airline and I think either could work for a daily flight. It is a tough market from any Australian city for flights to Europe with fares being very low at the bottom end.

I imagine there would be a decent amount of O&D from MEL or SYD which would be more profitable for TK to focus on.
 
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LAX772LR wrote:
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Does a First/Business Class seat + occupant + baggage + catering weigh more than the equivalent # of Economy Seats + Occupants + Baggage + Catering?

Yep.

A single J seat can weigh as much as a whole row of 9abreast Y seats. F seats are even worse.

It's not uncommon for J seats to weigh 80-100kg... and that's before airline customization choices.

Economy seats, OTOH, usually weigh closer to 12-15kg.

Assuming 1 J = 4 Y.

J
Seat: 100kg
Pax: 70kg
Luggage: 30kg
Total: 200kg

Y
Seat: 4 x 15kg = 60kg
Pax: 4 x 70kg = 280kg
Luggage: 4 x 20kg = 80kg
Total = 420kg

Y seating has higher kg/m2 than J.
 
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:54 am

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Assuming 1 J = 4 Y.

Why would you assume that though?

TK is 6abreast in J on its Airbus widebodies and 7 abreast on its 777s.

Assuming they pursue the typical 9 abreast Y in a 787, that puts 1J = 1.5Y or 1.3Y

Granted, I'm aware that pitch has to be taken into account, but that's not going to triple the displacement... especially with TK, whose J pitches often vary widely on the same (Airbus widebody) aircraft depending on positioning.
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:00 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Hornberger wrote:
Assuming 1 J = 4 Y.

Why would you assume that though?

TK is 6abreast in J on its Airbus widebodies and 7 abreast on its 777s.

Assuming they pursue the typical 9 abreast Y in a 787, that puts 1J = 1.5Y or 1.3Y

Granted, I'm aware that pitch has to be taken into account, but that's not going to triple the displacement... especially with TK, whose J pitches often vary widely on the same (Airbus widebody) aircraft depending on positioning.


TK is going for a 1-2-1 arrangement for the new widebody aircraft.
 
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Re: Turkish Airlines to Australia in 2019 with B787-9

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:08 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Hornberger wrote:
Assuming 1 J = 4 Y.

Why would you assume that though?

TK is 6abreast in J on its Airbus widebodies and 7 abreast on its 777s.

Assuming they pursue the typical 9 abreast Y in a 787, that puts 1J = 1.5Y or 1.3Y

Granted, I'm aware that pitch has to be taken into account, but that's not going to triple the displacement... especially with TK, whose J pitches often vary widely on the same (Airbus widebody) aircraft depending on positioning.

Even if you take TK 777's, with a generous Y cabin and dense J cabin the ratio is still about 3:1. Based on my calculation approve, the Y is still heavier.

And the future 789 or 359 will have lower density of J / Y compares to the 777 is(4 or 6J/9Y vs 7J/9Y).

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