Lion Air at this point should have never happened. If this flight turns into the same issue, then its going to be a major blow to Boeing and its profits.
Normally you are more reasonable F9Animal.
Its been a while since I followed the Lion Air crash thread; but, my memory is that issues with airline procedures had been identified as contributing causes; and no single failure of a system like MCAS should crash an aircraft. While MCAS is certainly to be identified as a contributing factor in the Lion Air crash. It is just as likely that inadequate training, procedures, and loss of situational awareness will be identified as the major reasons (Root Causes) behind the Lion Air Crash.
Similar findings for the Ethiopian Crash may come out (and if the Pilots did not know how to turn off the MCAS system that is clearly in the training/pilot error grouping at this time).
So, Please explain to me how you see it that if it turns out that both Ethiopian and Lion air turn out to be principally things within the airline and pilots control... that Boeing will take a major blow?
Such speculation does not help this thread...
Lets see what comes out of the investigation. Now that they have the CVR and FDR we might find ourselves with some key information within a few days (or at least the investigation team will) that may steer them totally away from any involvement of the MCAS.
Boeing will accept fault for what part they are responsible for. They have done so in the past. However, please keep in mind that design error is rarely the cause of a crash or significant damage to an aircraft in the last decade or so. I believe that improper assembly (assembly mistakes) rates higher.
Honeywell was responsible for burning and destroyed a new Ethiopian Airlines 787 in 2014 due to assembly error of an emergency locator beacon. Very fortunately it happened on the ground and not in the air with passengers and crew - which was only by chance. Honeywell accepted that they were responsible (I understand that every employee in that division and new employee gets to watch a video of the event and investigation; and have emphasized that they have to be doubly careful on assembly).
Was the 787 battery shorting issue more a responsibility of Boeing - or GS Yuasa, as GS Yuasa had assured Boeing that the failure rate was much lower and their quality higher than what happened in real life.
So lets wait and see what the investigation finds. Even if its a component failure... it may be primarily the responsibility of a supplier and not Boeing.
Have a great day,