Back on topic and perhaps a new thread should be made.....but no one with 200 hrs should be in the cockpit of any passenger plane with the name Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier(now Airbus) ect ect ect. That’s not safe. That’s not ok. The fact it’s done astounds me. It’s also one of the many reasons flying outside of the US is more dangerous overall including Europe.
And yet, the US Air Force will take someone off the street with no flight experience, put them through training, and sit them in the cockpit of a large, multi-engine cargo, tanker, or bomber aircraft - or even in a high performance, single-seat, fighter/attack aircraft, with only a couple of hundred hours experience. It's been a hundred years, but when I went through UPT with the Air Force, I graduated (rated pilot) with 185 hours flight time. Another 65 hours (half of that sitting in the jump seat watching the other co-pilot trainee) and I was a fully certified KC-135 copilot. Maybe I didn't belong there either...or maybe it's not about the hours, but the quality of the training.
Oh, and just wondering, how did Jacob van Zanten's 11K+ hours serve him in preventing the Tenerife disaster?
I assure you Lion Air and ET’s training do not rival the USAF. Further I qualified my comments by saying mainline pax planes.
Highly experienced pilots do screw up. For VanZanten it was his personality that was the problem not his experience. Same as driving.
Picture a school bus. Technically a 16yo or let’s say even a 22yo—neither of which has ever driven at all—can study every handbook and learn about the motor and brakes / air brakes and about the tires ect ect. They can sit in some classroom time. They can drive the school bus sim. They can even drive a smaller “trainer” model of the bus. After 150 or 200hrs of bus and driving training put them on the road in a major city like LA or London or Addis Ababa and let them drive around a few times with an experienced instructor next to them. Then load up the bus with 50 kids and send this brand new driver with only 150-200hrs total time behind the wheel....any wheel....and see how they do. Now maybe they do well and are talented and mature and nothing bad happens. Maybe they crash and kill a bunch of kids. Maybe they crash into another school bus or even two and kill a whole lotta kids.
I don’t think very many parents would be ok letting someone that never had a driver’s lic driving their kids school bus in a major city.
Now I know some will say well heck this doesn’t apply to commercial plane they have an experienced captain sitting next to them. A plane is a bit harder to “drive” than a bus IMHO. What if that very experienced captain has a heart attack or stroke?
Would you rather have a driver with 10 years of experience and many thousands of miles if not a couple 100 thousand miles of experience driving that school bus in the snow, rain, traffic and high winds or do you really think the 150-200hr driver is equally as good as a more exeprienced one? Sure there are one offs, VanZantens driving school busses with maybe a million miles experience that do something stupid and people get hurt but it’s a lot more likely the more experienced “driver” will have a better outcome than a less experienced “driver” —especially in bad weather.
The same thing goes with surgeons. There are some talented and gifted heart surgeons just out of their residency but if you need a heart transplant do you want the guy that’s done 5 transplants or the guy that’s done 5,000 in his career.
Do you want the cop that’s brand spanking new responding to the multiple shooter hostage situation or would you rather a cop that’s been on the beat 5-10-15 years?
Past performance is not always indicative of future results but it’s a very good predictor.
To the people that said I can’t prove otherwise....I can.
BEA Stains crash 1972 / Trident It’s reasonably certain a more experienced FO and FE would not have been intimidated by the overbearing captain that most likely became incapataited and retracted the droops too early causing the plane to crash
Air Florida 90 / neither pilot had experience flying in the snow
There are more but I’m out of time at the moment.
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