I disagree, I don't think the problem is pilot's low level of proficiency to deal control systems. I think it's Boeing's introduction of control systems without enough information or training.
Yep - those pilots seemed to follow their procedures as well as anyone could have expected
Plane designers are supposed to design planes that average pilots can fly safely
These guys performed at least average
If they hadn't they would be getting absolutely hammered on here
The Boeing apologists have actually seriously struggled to find things to criticise
I don’t think you understand aviation accidents. There is NEVER a single point of failure. There’s probably 11 different things that went wrong on that flight. Once again is a faulty flight control system to blame? Yes. Are pilot actions to blame? Yes. If it comes to light that some fod caused damage, is that to blame? Yes. Is having a massively inexperienced pilot at the controls of an aircraft nobody has been well trained on during an emergency situation to blame? Yes. As well as a dozen other factors.
What happened was tragic. Pointing fingers at the crew or Boeing or whoever as if one action and one action only is to blame is naive and pointless. The industry was built on leading from these kinds of incidents. We’ll learn from it and make things safer. This is in no way the last plane crash. There will be others. But they will happen less frequently as we build off the lessons learned here.
Great post - I agree 100% It was a combination of many factors. Boeing and Pilots.
BTW - The FO of that plane had less hours than I do (he was at 98 hours(or 154 the report is a little unclear) - I got to about 110 total before stopping 10 years ago)before he was made a FO of an 737. If you don't think I know what I'm talking about - well someone with less hours (or slightly more) was made a FO of a 737.
In that time he apparently earned his basic license, night rating, instrument rating, multi engine rating and commercial rating. That is just wrong and should not be considered sufficient experience in any shape or form. In Canada you would need Hundred's (300-400) hours to accumulate all those ratings and then at least another 1,000 hours or so before you graduated to a 737 as FO.
If the Pilot was incapacitated how would you feel about having a FO with 98 total hours(or 154) in charge of getting you safely back to the ground? If you are good with that standard of training then fine - but I am not.
Over on the other forum someone who sounds very familiar with the 737 (possibly a Captain) is speculating the following:
"having belatedly recognized the need to cutout trim switches the
pilot either doesnt ask the copilot to trim ANU manually or the copilot
doesnt know how to operate manual trim (manual handle button must be depressed
before it will release)....relates to training and crew composition...200 hour
pilots dont belong in airline operations,pay to fly,SOP rote over airmanship etc etc"
It's quite possible the FO with that low hours had never operated the manual trim so didn't know they had to depress the manual handle button.
He gave up trying to see if it worked after 8 seconds. He may have tried it again (or the Pilot might have) - but there is nothing in the Text talking about that.