ytz wrote:MD80Ttail wrote:ytz wrote:
Unless you have definitive proof that the FO didn't react properly, this is seriously defamatory to the dead.
Airplanes have to be designed to be operated by someone licensed. You shouldn't have to rely on a 1500 hr ATPL to prevent the aircraft from lawndarting. If you and other Boeing boosters want to insist that the definition should be extended to 1500 hrs minimum, I hope Boeing is ready to give up tens of billions in worldwide sales. Maybe Boeing should just be restricted to selling in the US. Would you be happy with that outcome?
My point about the FOs 200hr Total time is not about weather he or she did anything wrong or not. Even IF he or she did everything right my point is a 200hr total time pilot does not provide for the best possible outcomes for the fight and passenger. Most likely he or she didn’t do anything wrong. I have never once said that. My concern, and I believe it’s very valid, is at 200hrs total time it’s impossible to bring anything more than standard normal operations experience to the flight deck. A pilot with more hours would have a bigger “tool bag” from which to draw experience from in problem solving. Why everyone has so much vitriol for what to me is extremely obvious I have no idea.
Because the rest of us see this as a red herring. "Could the 200 hr FO have crashed the plane? I don't know. I am just asking what if he crashed the plane." This is some Fox News worthy line of discussion.
Given your time in the cockpit, one would think you'd know enough about aviation safety that you'd know that crashes happen more than one reason. I would also think as a fellow aviator you'd have more respect for the dead than to question their professionalism before their bodies have been buried.
You also dodged my question. Is it your sincere belief that the operation of all 737s should be restricted only to FOs who have 1500 hrs? And if that is the case, are you okay with severe restrictions on Boeing's sales?
Yes I believe there should a minimum number of hours TT, PIC, Complex, twin and actual IMC time before any pilot is put into any mainline aircraft. I think that’s obvious by my comments but if it helps I unequivocally state my opinion—done.
Your question about restricting Boeing’s sales is irrelevant as the same low time pilots go into Airbus and many other manufacturers of aircraft. It’s not for Boeing, Airbus, FAA, NTSB, USA or me to put restrictions on airlines operating outside of the US. Yes, I’m aware some of these low TT pilots fly into and out of US airspace. They are technically qualified and that’s fine by me. The issue is up to the respective airlines and their direct regulatory bodies to decide. A company that makes a hammer really has no say as to the quality of the carpenter that is going to use it. In this case the issue should be decided by the respective airlines, countries and free market flying public. I have flown on both ET and JT as was as many other airlines. Several blacklisted into the EU. I did so with full knowledge.
I do know crashes happen for more than one reason. Frankly MCAS is a red herring. It might be a problem. Most likely is a problem. However, it shouldn’t bring down the plane. The pilots should be able to maintain control and land safely. I think so far JT definitely had MCAS issues but am quite certain the accident would not have happened at most airlines, certainly not first world airlines bc the plane would never have been dispatched. That makes me a racist I guess so whatever. I truly believe most airlines would not have dispatched that plane. I believe in JT we will find training, proficiency hand flying, maintenance and design will all be factors. With ET I’m having a hard time believing based on what we know so far MCAS was responsible for the flight control problems bc the problems apparently started at VR. Speculation. But reasonable. Was it part of the problem? Perhaps likely.
You will never convince me a 200hr pilot belongs in the cockpit of a mainline plane anywhere. Yes I know it’s done. Yes the stats are pretty good overall. Yes it will continue. Yes I understand why. Most likely the FO didn’t do anything wrong. Followed what he was taught. I believe the odds of a better outcome would have been greater with a more experienced crew overall. That’s not to say we still wouldn’t have had a crash.