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CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:20 pm

Due to the collapse of Venezuela's power grid, CCS is operating in the dark except for runway lights and communications. The rest, is back to the good old days of aviation it seems, as these pictures document. Even passport control is done manually, and with very limited safety checks.

Flights to the US are cancelled due to the above circumstances. Other airlines are operating but with great difficulties.

Additionally, the operating crew from Air Europa's inbound MAD-CCS flight had an unspecified "security problem" on their transfer to the hotel they stay at. It was determined that they would return immediately to Madrid on the same plane they arrived. It appears that finally UX has decided to route the CCS flights via PUJ moving forward.

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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:44 pm

Here's Air Europa's A332 last night, operating in the darkness at CCS, on its turn around to MAD, with a 6 hour delay, due to the power outages in Venezuela.

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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:14 pm

I am really curious how they are still operating.

Is check in done manually? With everyone having etickets, how does that work?

Is security done in the dark manually by people going through luggage and physical patdowns?

Operating extended periods of time without electricity sounds quite complicated.
 
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:25 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Venezuelans are not allowed to leave the country and foreigners don't want to get in. Wouldn't it be more practical to just close the airport entirely?


There are no government imposed restrictions on the freedom of movement in Venezuela. If you have the means and access to hard currency, you can literally leave the county and enter back every hour on the hour.

This is not your typical Cuban-style revolution. It is much more complex to define and one of the reasons why getting rid of them thieves is proving so difficult.
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:29 pm

We should stay focused on aviation.

dcajet wrote:
Here's Air Europa's A332 last night, operating in the darkness at CCS, on its turn around to MAD, with a 6 hour delay, due to the power outages in Venezuela.

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It looks like Copa has been able to fly out on time this morning. That looks like about the only flight so far today. Copa flying a turn on a 737 is probably easier. I assume they load rountrip catering, tanker fuel, and not even empty the waste tank so the airplane is easier to handle. Air Europa has a whole lot more challenges.
 
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:05 pm

TK is still flying IST-HAV-CCS-IST route. I wonder how they are going?
 
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:34 pm

Why are airlines like AF, TK, IB, and TP still flying into CCS? Are there that many people travelling in/out of Venezuela that they're able to make money on these flights? AC and all of the US carriers have pulled out long ago due to the financial issues associated with a country who's currency is worthless.
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:50 pm

JAGflyer wrote:
Why are airlines like AF, TK, IB, and TP still flying into CCS? Are there that many people travelling in/out of Venezuela that they're able to make money on these flights? AC and all of the US carriers have pulled out long ago due to the financial issues associated with a country who's currency is worthless.


Because they make money. I know many people that go to visit their family at least once a year in Venezuela paying a lot for a ticket.

And AFAIK American Airlines still operate to CCS (at least until the lost of power).

The Air France A330 left CCS without passengers 2 days ago for FDF where they refueled and ferried back to CDG.
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:28 pm

JAGflyer wrote:
Why are airlines like AF, TK, IB, and TP still flying into CCS? Are there that many people travelling in/out of Venezuela that they're able to make money on these flights? AC and all of the US carriers have pulled out long ago due to the financial issues associated with a country who's currency is worthless.


TP is not flying there on its own metal anymore. TP173/2 has been outsourced to YU on a B763. CS-TKS, however, has been on the ground at CCS for more than 24 hours and isn't slated to fly out for another 6 hours...likely one crew flying in and out.

AF is odd, as they have been doing CDG-CCS nonstop on an A332 on AF368/385, bypassing a stop at FDF usually. They have another option if they could so choose---put passengers on a PTP or FDF flight, and downgrade CCS to an Caribbean A320 (based at PTP; AF has 2) that can fly PTP to CCS (465 nmi) and can tanker fuel to fly PTP or FDF to CCS, re-basing a third A320 from CDG to PTP if need be. (Air France's codeshare with CM doesn't cover CCS.)

IB had operating via SDQ on IB6673/4, but today's flight was canceled. I would believe that CCS passengers are instead being put on IB6339/6346 flight to PTY with a transfer to CM.

UX recently announced PTY, but that does not start until June. They can then use the IB solution for CCS.

That basically leaves TK, which operates into other less than hospitable outstations like MGQ. But they could also leverage their Star Alliance partnership and instead modify TK183 to IST-HAV terminator and place passengers on TK800 instead, again transferring to CM at PTY.

AA, the lone US carrier that had flown to CCS (AA967/8 and AA1484/3), has canceled its flights since March 7.

The only airline without another true one-stop option is TP, as PTY is not a TP outstation.
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:25 pm

It seems now flights to CCS will be via PUJ (where UX has already an operation and Globalia has lost of investments)
Pretty similar to IB operation MAD SDQ CCS MAD, with no local rights. It’s just for crew to overnight in SDQ.

JAGflyer wrote:
Why are airlines like AF, TK, IB, and TP still flying into CCS? Are there that many people travelling in/out of Venezuela that they're able to make money on these flights? AC and all of the US carriers have pulled out long ago due to the financial issues associated with a country who's currency is worthless.


They still have some funds “blocked” in the country. Money due, but with not enough USD to repatriate, they just hope some day to access those, now inexistente, USD.
In the meantime they just accept foreign currency for flights.
 
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:38 pm

STLflyer wrote:
A UX A333 is about to land in CCS in a couple hours. Who's flying it back to MAD tonight? I'm assuming the crew that went back early was supposed to fly it tonight.


Aisak wrote:
It seems now flights to CCS will be via PUJ (where UX has already an operation and Globalia has lost of investments)
Pretty similar to IB operation MAD SDQ CCS MAD, with no local rights. It’s just for crew to overnight in SDQ.


If UX operate via PUJ, I guess they positioned an other crew in PUJ directly from MAD and the A333 will operate MAD-CCS-PUJ where the crew change will occure. Let's see what will happen.
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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:42 pm

Can a crew operate MAD-CCS-PUJ without timing out?
 
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Air Europa Crew (UX) attack in CCS

Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:39 pm

An Air Europa crew was attacked in Caracas as they were being transported to their layover hotel following the arrival of their flight into CCS.

Link in Spanish sorry.

https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/ ... 81920.html

Rough summary:

The crew was being transported to their layover hotel when the driver noticed they were being followed by suspects on motorbikes, he managed to get away but upon arrival to the hotel they were confronted with the gunmen, a shoot-out between the gunmen and hotel security ensued, fortunately the crew was unharmed.

The inbound crew then decided to fly back to Spain with the outbound crew already in Venezuela preparing to operate the return flight.

Air Europa have decided to stop layovers in Caracas, instead they will rest in Punta Cana.

Many european airlines already do this to ensure the safety of their crews.

IB stops in SDQ
AF stops in FDF
TP stops in CUR on the way back to LIS

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Re: Air Europa Crew (UX) attack in CCS

Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:59 pm

How sad this is. To my knowledge TP doesn't stop in CUR anymore. Maybe they have cancelled their flights to CCS indefinitely?

I assume you mean that the Air Europa crew lay over in Santo Domingo and not Punta Cana. Air Europa doesn't fly to Punta Cana but to Santo Domingo as far as I know.

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Re: Air Europa Crew (UX) attack in CCS

Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:27 pm

A388 wrote:
How sad this is. To my knowledge TP doesn't stop in CUR anymore. Maybe they have cancelled their flights to CCS indefinitely?

I assume you mean that the Air Europa crew lay over in Santo Domingo and not Punta Cana. Air Europa doesn't fly to Punta Cana but to Santo Domingo as far as I know.

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Thelay over will be in Punta Cana. Air Europa does fly there :-)
 
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Re: Air Europa Crew (UX) attack in CCS

Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:09 pm

A388 wrote:
How sad this is. To my knowledge TP doesn't stop in CUR anymore. Maybe they have cancelled their flights to CCS indefinitely?

I assume you mean that the Air Europa crew lay over in Santo Domingo and not Punta Cana. Air Europa doesn't fly to Punta Cana but to Santo Domingo as far as I know.

A388


TP flies to CCS but not with its own metal, the flight is operated by Euroatlantic using B767 equipment, the routing is LIS-CCS-CUR-LIS, I think the flight only operates 2 or 3 times a week.

But yeah the whole situation is really sad, those were the days back in the 70s or 80s where crews actually enjoyed their layovers in a then modern and flourishing metropolis with a lively nightlife.

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Re: Air Europa Crew (UX) attack in CCS

Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:29 pm

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Re: CCS operating without power/UX crew security scare

Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:11 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Can a crew operate MAD-CCS-PUJ without timing out?


Yes, total trip time should not be more that 12-13 hours.
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Air Europa Crew Almost Robbed - Caracas

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:34 pm

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2019 ... l-caracas/

It seems that they were surrounded by motorcycles on way to the hotel. The crew van made it to the hotel where the security staff engaged the robbers in a shoot out.

Air Europa has finally relented and will let their crews stay in Punta Cana - DR.

Such a same what Venezuela has become.
 
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Re: Air Europa Crew Almost Robbed - Caracas

Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:01 pm

This is already the third 'UX CCS issue' tread on this forum. If you scroll down, you'll find the rest.
 
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Re: Air Europa Crew Almost Robbed - Caracas

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:32 pm

There is already a thread discussing this, do we really need another one!

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Re: Air Europa Crew Almost Robbed - Caracas

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:39 pm

Oh dear. If only Venezuela had tried ‘real’ soclialism instead, things would be a lot different there.

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