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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:19 pm

Gingersnap wrote:
THY4TW was en-route IST-LGW.

Appears to have done a u-turn just southeast of Prague. I guess they're headed back.

IST BHX also turning back now.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:19 pm

PW100 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
ytz wrote:

This is such nonsense. Context matters. It's not as simple as you say. And there's pilots on pprune who are far more charitable on this than you. And they actually fly the type.

I think you know it's a little more complex than that, when you're a 1000' off the deck and you have erroneous airspeed errors possibly combined with stall warning, stick shaker and a whole lot else. This isn't some regular runaway trim where you can just identify the issue and run the checklist.


Have you read the multiple posts that stated that MCAS only functions when Flaps are up, which is unlikely at 1000’ above the deck. That’s thrust reduction altitude for many airlines.


And haven't you read the multiple replies on the 1000 ft claim???

A) The FR24 data cuts out well before the crash. Therefore we have no indication on the height reached during the short flight. Yet folks keep on hammering on the 1000 ft.
B) The same FR24 data suggests the aircraft reached close to 400 kts air speed. Wouldn't you agree that flaps should be up at that sort of air speeds? One would expect that airspeed is much more important factor in flap position than (pressure) altitude . . .


Correct. I was specifically replying to the poster’s comment. Sounds like you didn’t get that.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:21 pm

StreetF117 wrote:
How many airliners are currently left operating the aircraft?


Looks like mainly the USA airlines.

They will probably will keep operating until the FAA says so.


Who do you think worked closely with Boeing on certifying the MAX & is responsible for the stc?
This will lead to a interesting discussion on the independence of the FAA.
It seems they now have caused more PR damage than they hoped to prevent.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:21 pm

1ffb2002 wrote:
UK just grounded all MAX 8 aircraft. I really think this is a bit premature. What if the ET plane was improperly configured (e.g. flaps not deployed)? The FO was extremely junior. This is a possibility.


There are plenty of possibilities; however there is a big chance that the actual issue is a design flaw that needs to be fixed. 2 planes fell out of the sky with very similar circumstances; all the 'what ifs' in this thread don't change that and don't change the fact that if these are linked, not grounding the fleet could lead to another fatal accident.

When the conversation changes from 'it could be something other than a major design flaw' to 'it is almost certainly items not related to aircraft design', then it is prudent to discuss putting the planes back in the air.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm

Short of grounding, the UK ban is now affecting AC and WS MAX flights from Canada to LHR, so it's beginning to affect our airlines regardless of Canada's failure to ground the MAX.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm

Norwegian has grounded it's entire fleet of MAX 8.

https://media.no.norwegian.com/pressrel ... er-2846621
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm

The design flaw related to the MCAS under certain malfunctions was identified in the Lion Air accident aftermath. The MCAS design flaw is there and it will be corrected. The Ethiopian accident has not revealed any new information regarding the MCAS operation, unless there is a new failure mode not previously recognized. Therefore, the groundings after the Ethiopian accident reflect the belief that pilot memory items cannot be trusted to remedy the issue. Hopefully the MCAS fix can be validated & certified promptly.

Norwegian is hit by aircraft problems time after time, first 787 problems and now 737MAX grounded for an airline already in a difficult situation.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm

scbriml wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Have you read the multiple posts that stated that MCAS only functions when Flaps are up, which is unlikely at 1000’ above the deck. That’s thrust reduction altitude for many airlines.


Have you read the multiple posts that stated that we don't know what eventual altitude the plane reached before it crashed because it flew out of FR24 coverage?

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Boeing was already working on a solution to the JT crash which should be out in the near future.


Was that not supposed to be ready in December?


Correct. I was specifically responding to a comment the poster made.

It will be out well before December.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm

Elementalism wrote:
That isn't how a mob works. No time to find out what happened. Just do something, anything!


That's the thing : "just do something".
We don't need the final fix right now. To be honest, in my opinion, we just need Boeing to send something quick & easy to be able to communicate positively rather than saying "2 crashes out of 300 aircraft delivered, seems to be same cause, don't worry, business as usual, please wait for the April patch "Ethiopian edition" ".
Sorry to say that but you really suck on this Boeing. It's not just a technical thing here.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:23 pm

So who is left outside North America? Unless I have missed some bans or groundings:

Air Italy, Fiji, flydubai, Icelandair, LOT, Mauritania, S7, SCAT, Smartwings, Spicejet, non-UK TUI and Turkish.

I guess TUI Belgium/Netherlands/Nordic will stop operating the MAX as well as it is a marketing challenge to explain why TUI UK no longer operates the type. For Icelandair, the closure of UK airspace will be an issue, I suppose.

I would not be surprised if we will now see a chain reaction as it becomes somewhat difficult to justify operating the type if more and more airlines/country decide to ground it.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:25 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Short of grounding, the UK ban is now affecting AC and WS MAX flights from Canada to LHR, so it's beginning to affect our airlines regardless of Canada's failure to ground the MAX.


Yes, it seemed their advisers made a bad judgement. Now they'll have to save face somehow.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-airlines-confident-in-boeing-s-737-max-8-but-fliers-worry-1.4332505
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:25 pm

Turkish IST - NOUAKCHOTT now turning back too. It is spreading.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:26 pm

1ffb2002 wrote:
UK just grounded all MAX 8 aircraft. I really think this is a bit premature. What if the ET plane was improperly configured (e.g. flaps not deployed)? The FO was extremely junior. This is a possibility.


You cannot take-off in an improperly configured 737 unwittingly. The plane will yell at you. The lights and the siren are not something easily ignored.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:26 pm

TK595 IST to NKC (Mauritania) is turning back.

Is TK going to ground their fleet?
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:26 pm

I think once this is all figured out, Boeing is going to have to rename the 737-MAX series into something else. Too may non-aviation people are now familiar with the MAX and associating it with crashing. One newspaper headline coined it the "death plane". It may not be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:29 pm

Breaking: TUI stops all MAX flights. That covers TUI Nordic, Belgium and Netherlands.

Took only 5 minutes from my earlier post speculating on TUI's dilemma with the UK ban affecting its British subsidiary.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:31 pm

StreetF117 wrote:
How many airliners are currently left operating the aircraft?


Looks like mainly the USA airlines.

They will probably will keep operating until the FAA says so.



American businesses putting profits over people. What else is new?

Southwest just put a knife in its brand image by not being proactive on this one.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:31 pm

Magog wrote:
TK595 IST to NKC (Mauritania) is turning back.

Is TK going to ground their fleet?

Certainly seems that they are returning to base rather than being stranded elsewhere.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Wonder how passengers on those planes feel: "We are returning to our departure airport because our aircraft has been banned from XYZ airspace for safety concerns. Sit back, relax and enjoy the rest of our flight."
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Since the black boxes have been recovered, any ban or grounding should not be too long if the aircraft is proven to be not at fault. We just have to wait two or three weeks before the data is decoded and analysed. Yes it is good that the regulatory bodies outside the US took this route. These are very unusual crashes and does require some unusual and proactive actions to be taken.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:33 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Breaking: TUI stops all MAX flights. That covers TUI Nordic, Belgium and Netherlands.

Took only 5 minutes from my earlier post speculating on TUI's dilemma with the UK ban affecting its British subsidiary.


I suspect by days end only AC, WS, UA and AA will be flying the MAX.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:34 pm

uta999 wrote:
Turkish IST - NOUAKCHOTT now turning back too. It is spreading.


That could also be if Mauritania has grounded the MAX as well (national airline operates one). Situation there was unknown.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:35 pm

The UK ban is for all MAX aircraft, not only 737-8.

"Our thoughts go out to everyone affected by the tragic incident in Ethiopia on Sunday," a CAA spokesperson said in a statement.

"The UK Civil Aviation Authority has been closely monitoring the situation, however, as we do not currently have sufficient information from the flight data recorder we have, as a precautionary measure, issued instructions to stop any commercial passenger flights from any operator arriving, departing or overflying UK airspace."

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?appid=11&mode=detail&id=9020

If UK & Australia are acting, I imagine Canada won't be far behind.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:35 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Breaking: TUI stops all MAX flights. That covers TUI Nordic, Belgium and Netherlands.

Took only 5 minutes from my earlier post speculating on TUI's dilemma with the UK ban affecting its British subsidiary.


I suspect by days end only AC, WS, UA and AA will be flying the MAX.


And WN.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:36 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Wonder how passengers on those planes feel: "We are returning to our departure airport because our aircraft has been banned from XYZ airspace for safety concerns. Sit back, relax and enjoy the rest of our flight."


Doubt any crew would say that in the air. Something along the lines of "Issue with our paperwork".
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:37 pm

FR24 shows a Norwegian one just about to take off FNC-OSL, considering They grounded the fleet it will be interesting to see if it takes off.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:37 pm

And Boeing like: JUST IN: Boeing says it has full confidence in safety of 737 MAX, does not plan to issue new guidance to operators (from Reuters)
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:38 pm

A lot of disruption about to hit transatlantic flights, with the new bans. Time to dust off the Hi Fly A380.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:38 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Number of 737 MAX in Fleet Status Airline
22 Grounded China Southern Airlines
18 Grounded Norwegian Air
15 Grounded Air China
15 Grounded TUI fly
11 Grounded Hainan Airlines
11 Grounded Shanghai Airlines
10 Grounded Xiamen Airlines
10 Grounded Lion Air
9 Grounded Jet Airways (includes 4 being repossessed by lessors due to non-payment)
7 Grounded Shandong Airlines
7 Grounded GOL Airlines
6 Grounded SilkAir
6 Grounded Shenzhen Airlines
6 Grounded Aeromexico
5 Grounded Aerolineas Argentinas
5 Grounded Oman Air
4 Grounded Ethiopian Airlines
4 Grounded China Eastern Airlines
3 Grounded Lucky Air
2 Grounded Cayman Airways
2 Grounded Fuzhou Airlines
2 Grounded Kunming Airlines
2 Grounded Okay Airways
2 Grounded Eastar Jet
2 Grounded Royal Air Maroc
2 Grounded Eastar Jet
1 Grounded 9 Air
1 Grounded Garuda Indonesia
1 Grounded Comair
1 Grounded MIAT Mongolian Airlines

34 In use Southwest Airlines
24 In use Air Canada
24 In use American Airlines
13 In use SpiceJet
13 In use WestJet
11 In use FlyDubai
11 In use Turkish Airlines
7 In use Smartwings
4 In use Sunwing Airlines
3 In use Air Italy
3 In use Icelandair
2 In use Fiji Airways
2 In use S7 Airlines
1 In use SCAT

5 Unknown LOT
2 Unknown Enter Air
1 Unknown Mauritania Airlines
1 Unknown Corendon Airlines

Countries that have banned Max 8 or Max family from operating in their territories:
Malaysia
Australia
Oman
Singapore
China
Indonesia
UK

LATEST UPDATES:

Oman Air and Norwegian Air grounds its Boeing 737 MAX 8 jets
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKBN1QT1U5
https://www.nst.com.my/world/2019/03/46 ... s-airports

S.Korea's budget carrier decides to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 jets
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-0 ... 888994.htm

TUI Group grounds all 737 Max operation
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 16301.html


Thanks for keeping the list up to date.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:39 pm

I wonder if individual airlines (i.e. Norwegian) are also grounding because people, like myself, have voted with their wallets and gone elsewhere for flights. They said yesterday that they had no plans whatsoever to ground theirs. Same with Icelandair and there is a statement expcected soone from Icelandair.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:40 pm

So it looks as if the ban also covers aircraft already airborne. Otherwise it would make more sense to continue the flight, off-load the passengers and ferry the MAX back to base as a non-commercial flight. The risk for passengers is not really different if the flight returns back to base half way into the flight or continues to its intended destination. The only difference is, of course, if protection of those on the ground is considered (better if the aircraft potentially crashes into houses in an other county and not here...).
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm

I expect Icelandair, LOT, Air Italy and Turkish to ground next, probably then followed by flydubai.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:44 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
A lot of disruption about to hit transatlantic flights, with the new bans. Time to dust off the Hi Fly A380.

Lolx, more like pulling those old tatty yet reliable A320ceo and B737NG out from desert storage and make them work again.

God, if only Primera Air, Small Planet and Germania could have survived for few more months......
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:45 pm

vfw614 wrote:
I expect Icelandair, LOT, Air Italy and Turkish to ground next, probably then followed by flydubai.


For sure, there is a statement coming apparently from Icelandair. DOn't know when though.
Icelandair have been using the MAX to LGW and sometimes Manchester too so this will hit them. Also heard of people spending a lot of money to rebook fares in other planes and other airlines to avoid Icelandair so bad PR and further financial hit would had been bad.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 pm

akb88 wrote:
I wonder if individual airlines (i.e. Norwegian) are also grounding because people, like myself, have voted with their wallets and gone elsewhere for flights. They said yesterday that they had no plans whatsoever to ground theirs. Same with Icelandair and there is a statement expcected soone from Icelandair.


Norwegian grounding came just after the UK CAA ban. I doubt it was related to the bookings.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 pm

 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:48 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
A lot of disruption about to hit transatlantic flights, with the new bans. Time to dust off the Hi Fly A380.


Yes, Hi Fly should have their planes flying around the clock from now. And for a very hefty pay. I would suppose quite a few operators are scrambling searching alternative aircraft to get at least some of their affected passengers to their destinations.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:49 pm

This thread is getting ridiculous. Posting that officials are influenced by money over safety is completely unsupported by fact. FAA grounds on fact not hysteria. There are no facts showing that the MAX is dangerous. There indeed have been two serious crashes with large loss of life, but there are no facts yet from the second crash. Let's get some preliminary data prior to condemning government authorities, leaders, corporations, etc. If this is a configuration error on takeoff made by a very junior FO, this grounding and hysteria are moot.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:49 pm

in Icelandic: //www.mbl.is/vidskipti/frettir/2019/03/12/icelandair_kyrrsetur_max_thotur/ in Icelandic

Icelandair grounds their 737MAX.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:51 pm

TK1997 was on it's way to LGW and turned around over the Czech Republic.
Was MAX8 TC-LCG.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:51 pm

akb88 wrote:

Official now in their website: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-rele ... craft.html

Another 3 out of service.

Number of 737 MAX in Fleet Status Airline
22 Grounded China Southern Airlines
18 Grounded Norwegian Air
15 Grounded Air China
15 Grounded TUI fly
11 Grounded Hainan Airlines
11 Grounded Shanghai Airlines
10 Grounded Xiamen Airlines
10 Grounded Lion Air
9 Grounded Jet Airways (includes 4 being repossessed by lessors due to non-payment)
7 Grounded Shandong Airlines
7 Grounded GOL Airlines
6 Grounded SilkAir
6 Grounded Shenzhen Airlines
6 Grounded Aeromexico
5 Grounded Aerolineas Argentinas
5 Grounded Oman Air
4 Grounded Ethiopian Airlines
4 Grounded China Eastern Airlines
3 Grounded Lucky Air
2 Grounded Cayman Airways
2 Grounded Fuzhou Airlines
2 Grounded Kunming Airlines
2 Grounded Okay Airways
2 Grounded Eastar Jet
2 Grounded Royal Air Maroc
2 Grounded Eastar Jet
1 Grounded 9 Air
1 Grounded Garuda Indonesia
1 Grounded Comair
1 Grounded MIAT Mongolian Airlines

34 In use Southwest Airlines
24 In use Air Canada
24 In use American Airlines
13 In use SpiceJet
13 In use WestJet
11 In use FlyDubai
11 In use Turkish Airlines
7 In use Smartwings
6 In use Copa Airlines
4 In use Sunwing Airlines
3 In use Air Italy
3 In use Icelandair
2 In use Fiji Airways
2 In use S7 Airlines
1 In use SCAT

5 Unknown LOT
2 Unknown Enter Air
1 Unknown Mauritania Airlines
1 Unknown Corendon Airlines

Countries that have banned Max 8 or Max family from operating in their territories:
Malaysia
Australia
Oman
Singapore
China
Indonesia
UK
Germany

LATEST UPDATES:

Norwegian Air grounds its Boeing 737 MAX 8 jets
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKBN1QT1U5

TUI Group grounds all 737 Max operation
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 16301.html

Icelandair Group suspends operation of three Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-rele ... craft.html
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:53 pm

How long will AA/WN be able to withstand the increasing pressure and continue to operate the aircraft?
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:53 pm

I welcome the CAA ban. It puts the right amount on pressure on the manufacturer and other authorities to seriously look into what brought down the ET in a TIMELY manner.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:54 pm

vfw614 wrote:
I expect Icelandair, LOT, Air Italy and Turkish to ground next, probably then followed by flydubai.


No word from LOT yet, but all of their birds are at WAW and the usual afternoon MAX flights are departing with equipment changes.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:54 pm

1ffb2002 wrote:
This thread is getting ridiculous. Posting that officials are influenced by money over safety is completely unsupported by fact. FAA grounds on fact not hysteria. There are no facts showing that the MAX is dangerous. There indeed have been two serious crashes with large loss of life, but there are no facts yet from the second crash. Let's get some preliminary data prior to condemning government authorities, leaders, corporations, etc. If this is a configuration error on takeoff made by a very junior FO, this grounding and hysteria are moot.


All of that to me sounds like very good reasoning for me to rather be safe than sorry!
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:56 pm

If the MAX fleet is grounded would SOUTHWEST be able to pull 737’s stored back into service. If so how long would that take?
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:56 pm

Thank goodness the FAA issued a Canic yesterday.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:58 pm

I am surprised the EU has not stepped in yet with a ban, if the UK thought it wise. Thinking ahead, how will the authorities know when it is safe to lift the ban? This could go on for some considerable time.
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:58 pm

As a general comment, is this the first time when the Chinese aviation regulatory authority sets the trend for the rest of the world? Interesting times.
 
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Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:59 pm

1ffb2002 wrote:
This thread is getting ridiculous. Posting that officials are influenced by money over safety is completely unsupported by fact. FAA grounds on fact not hysteria. There are no facts showing that the MAX is dangerous. There indeed have been two serious crashes with large loss of life, but there are no facts yet from the second crash. Let's get some preliminary data prior to condemning government authorities, leaders, corporations, etc. If this is a configuration error on takeoff made by a very junior FO, this grounding and hysteria are moot.


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