Are you serious ? The lives of others is not a video game where you are allowed to fail.
Out of 7 pilots, 6 was not able to cope with that evil machine (JT-43 was saved by an extra crew).
From decision to not add emergency slides to allow a extra clearance under the wings, the non ideal placement of the engine nacelles, the single AoA input, the addition of a ill designed MCAS, the hidden modification to the MCAS, the failure of the safety assessment activity, the abnormal relation with the FAA, the removing of AoA disagree indicator, the goal to not add training while it obviously require to, to the inability to ground the 737 MAX after the JT-610, Boeing have done WAY more mistakes while having a lot of peoples working for many years on this project.
This can't be compared to the few minutes the 2 pilots have to save the lives of all onboard with a lot of erratic information and so many procedures to choose that it take multiple months on this forum to possibly agree the one there should follow.
So I take it you are in the it's Boeing's fault ET302 crashed 100% camp?
I was just pointing out that you can't blame Boeing 100% for the crash - you can blame them and the FAA 100% for the issues that led to the crash - and you are right the failure modes should have been caught by them or the FAA if the regulations were more robust or they applied common sense.
But you can't blame them 100% for the failure of the crew to save the plane. There were multiple things the ET crew didn't do right that they should have known (Required Memory Items) and they should have had enough time in SIMS to practice similar situations so if they were faced with similar situations in real life panic didn't set it and there reactions were reflex.
If they missed one - then okay - but I think we are at least 5 if you include them trying to reengage the Autopilot which is a big no-no and would have led to them failing a check ride.
Out of the 7 pilots only 1 knew what to do. I would argue that maybe 2 had a clue (The Co-pilot on ET) but the failure to trim properly before turning off Electric Trim, not maintaining control of the airspeed and turning Electric Trim back on led to the crash. That doesn't say a lot about the training at Lionair or ET.
It's not about percent, but about time to think, the number of peoples thinking, the knowledge there have, the environment there have to think, and the deadly consequences for them.
The training of the pilots is part of the cost to safely operate a particular aircraft. When Boeing claim that an aircraft is safe, this include the necessary training cost to reach that safety. There obviously fail on that critical point in addition to all the others. It's socking to blame pilots that was not properly trained while Boeing explicitly avoided the cost of extra pilot training. Please remember that no pilots was ever trained for that life critical situation on a 737 MAX simulator before JT610, and I doubt there are a significant number that have do that before ET302. The 737 MAX simulator is a very rare machine.
The 737 MAX is subject to a failure mode that did not exist on any 737 model before. And this failure mode is deadly critical. This require an adequate extra training. Certainly more than 15 minutes on a computer screen. Did you think about the relatives when there heard that a software patch and 15 minutes of training would have saved there loved one ? How can a so big company pretending making always safer aircraft have missed that and still communicate like nothing was wrong ? It's look so unreal.
I'm sorry, as has been pointed out by, you know, those that actually fly for a living or otherwise, or are again, you know, in the industry in a directly meaningful way, there are so many inexplicable actions/inactions by both crews (and the crew of JT43) that it's much scarier to me how ill-prepared they generally seemed to be. I'm not necessarily blaming the crews; they were very badly served, apparently. (I would love to know what specific programs each went through.) There was no critical situation to train for -- plane is trimming nose-down inappropriately, trim it up (which worked fine).*** Happens again, it's obvious something bizarre is happening, get it in trim and disable. Doesn't take a procedure to even figure that one out. And then get it back on the ground, where it belongs until it can be resolved. Seems to me like there may be a lot of general pressure to complete the mission.
And yes, absolutely, similar failure modes exist on the NG,and literally
every other plane with an electric trim system.
Boeing's primary mistake was to believe that a crew could handle a pretty straightforward situation. They're going to have to rethink that one, unfortunately.
It's equally puzzling to me how folks who have never flown a plane in their lives are so sure they have all the answers (to the point of arrogance), and so willing to discount those that have years and even decades in the field.
*** I do blame Boeing for allowing multiple applications, rather than just one. DUMB.