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Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:14 pm

Hello guys,

I would like to recreate some past real world flights of Northwest Airlines in a flight simulator (Prepar3D). Since we currently have no decent Detroit (KDTW) airport scenery, I'd "base" myself in Minneapolis (KMSP) as it also used to be a hub for Northwest.

Could someone - who has reliable information, timetable extract or anything similar - kindly let me know what flights Northwest operated using the 747-400, what destinations were served using the type and if you have flight number, let alone departure and arrival times (even better, days of week for the given service) that would be fantastic.

Thank you very much in advance!

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Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:22 pm

That's a link to a page from the December '92 timetable. Look for equip type 744.

http://www.departedflights.com/NW121592p15.html
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:26 pm

Thank you very much! Will do!
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:34 pm

Awesome, thanks a million! Already found some 747 flights, not a lot though, but it is what it is. AMS, LGW, NRT. Some of them seem to have been operated on 747 not 744 but such a minor deviation from realism shouldn't hurt.

Appreciate your help, thanks once again!
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:40 pm

kityatyi wrote:
Hello guys,

I would like to recreate some past real world flights of Northwest Airlines in a flight simulator (Prepar3D). Since we currently have no decent Detroit (KDTW) airport scenery, I'd "base" myself in Minneapolis (KMSP) as it also used to be a hub for Northwest.

Could someone - who has reliable information, timetable extract or anything similar - kindly let me know what flights Northwest operated using the 747-400, what destinations were served using the type and if you have flight number, let alone departure and arrival times (even better, days of week for the given service) that would be fantastic.

Thank you very much in advance!

Zsolt


Looks like NW had no 744 flights during that early 90’s flying out of MSP, the only route I even see is their JFK-NRT-HKG flight, which is what was the first route for NW & their 744’s. Try www.departedflights.com & go through the OAG & timetables for NW past the mid 90’s. Good luck!
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 pm

Sure, will do, thanks!
 
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:59 pm

Not sure if this helps, but when NW first got their B744's they used them on MSP-PHX flights. I guess for crew familiarization flights, but PHX was first destination out of MSP
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 pm

They also ran MSP-HKG one year, or maybe just one summer. I think 1998. It didn't last long at all and I think it had payload restrictions but it was the longest flight MSP ever had.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:22 pm

kityatyi wrote:
Hello guys,

I would like to recreate some past real world flights of Northwest Airlines in a flight simulator (Prepar3D). Since we currently have no decent Detroit (KDTW) airport scenery, I'd "base" myself in Minneapolis (KMSP) as it also used to be a hub for Northwest.

Could someone - who has reliable information, timetable extract or anything similar - kindly let me know what flights Northwest operated using the 747-400, what destinations were served using the type and if you have flight number, let alone departure and arrival times (even better, days of week for the given service) that would be fantastic.

Thank you very much in advance!

Zsolt


Hey, guy - I am a Northwest fanboy - my mother worked for them and I always flew NW if I could. Here is a link to the NW schedule for April 1, 1974:

http://www.departedflights.com/MSP74p1.html

The widebodies are in red. It appears that as of that date there were only three daily 747 flights from MSP - ORD, LAX, and MKE.

But check out other dates from this page:

http://www.departedflights.com/oagintro.html

I saw SEA, PHX, and others in the 1989 timetable. I myself flew MSP-LGW on a 747 in about 1987 or so. They also flew 747's nonstop to Oslo, Copenhagen, and other European cities, as well as to Tokyo Narita and even nonstop Hong Kong for a brief period. Good luck with the simulator - I really like the layout of MSP.

No 744's before 1989, however - NW was the first operator, MSP-PHX 2/9/89.
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:25 pm

And since you mentioned that specific 747 type isn't critically important to you, back in the day NW had tons more flights on the 747-100 and 747-200 out of MSP, including ORD, LAX, MKE, DTW, SEA, HNL, MIA, MCO, PHX

Of these, DTW and PHX did have 744 flights early on in the type's history around 1989.

Most of these flights were in the 1970s and 1980s. It wasn't until the 1990s where the 747s were mostly taken off of domestic routes from MSP. Looks like SEA lasted the longest, at least until 1995. By 1999 it was international only, sometimes to NRT and AMS, although NRT was often just a 742 and AMS was mostly DC10s. I got this info by looking at the old schedules on departedflights.com.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:51 pm

If you're interested I did the 1987 timetable for FS9 you can download it here.

https://app.box.com/s/8b85f5ro83
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:27 am

When I was MSP based, most if the 744 flying had shifted to DTW after 9-11 with the exception of NRT and (summer) AMS.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:34 am

Here are some additional timetables from Northwest.

http://northwestairlineshistory.org/tim ... northwest/
318, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 388, 707, 717, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73Q, 735, 73G, 738, 7M8, 739, 752, 753, 742, 74L, 744, 762, 763, 772, 77L, 77W, 789, 142, CN1, CR2, CR7, DC8, DH2, DH8, D8Q, D10, D95, EM2, ER3, ER4, E70, 100, J31, M11, M83, M88, M90, SF3
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:13 am

Wow guys, a plethora of info, thank you all sooo much! :-)
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:25 pm

ytib wrote:
Here are some additional timetables from Northwest.

http://northwestairlineshistory.org/tim ... northwest/

How come there isn´t a timetable from the 1990s?
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:30 pm

ytib wrote:
Here are some additional timetables from Northwest.

http://northwestairlineshistory.org/tim ... northwest/


Is there one for UA?
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:05 pm

MSP saw little 744 flying. NW only had 10 of the type in the 1990s, three of which were dedicated to JFK-NRT and the remainder which operated a hodgepodge of routes (DTW-SEL, DTW-OSA-SYD, LAX-SYD, SEA-HKG, etc.). They added 4 more in 1999, and 2 more in 2002 - it wasn't until that point that MSP saw regular 744 flights.

Off the top of my head, these are the only regularly scheduled NW 744 flights from MSP:
- MSP-PHX, briefly when the type was launched
- MSP-DTW, throughout the 1990s
- MSP-HKG, briefly in the mid-1990s
- MSP-NRT, briefly in the 1990s then regularly starting in 2002.
- MSP-HNL, seasonally in the mid-2000s.

I don't believe the 744 operated to AMS on a scheduled basis (and it definitely didn't serve LGW).[code][/code]
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:19 pm

I flew LAX-MSP on a 747-400 circa 4/1989
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:35 pm

Look at all those DC10 flights to US cities. Ahhh the good ol' days.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:38 pm

OSL777FLYER wrote:
Not sure if this helps, but when NW first got their B744's they used them on MSP-PHX flights. I guess for crew familiarization flights, but PHX was first destination out of MSP


That and catering to the massive amount of MN "Snowbillies" commuting between MSP and PHX. Although I think the 744 was used seasonally on MSP-PHX for years after that though. For some reason there are a ton of MN transplants in Phoenix.
 
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Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:06 pm

Lpbri wrote:
I flew LAX-MSP on a 747-400 circa 4/1989


Yes, but it wasn't a scheduled flight, but rather one of several random MSP/LAX flights that was upgauged for training purposes, after additional deliveries that year.

The 744 were inaugurated on scheduled service to PHX, before being deployed JFK-NRT:
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/01/30 ... 602139600/

N649DL wrote:
That and catering to the massive amount of MN "Snowbillies" commuting between MSP and PHX. Although I think the 744 was used seasonally on MSP-PHX for years after that though. For some reason there are a ton of MN transplants in Phoenix.


No, the 744 operated MSP/PHX only for a brief time period in 1989, never to be seen on regular scheduled service again, although PHX regularly received DC-10 until shortly before their retirement.

I suspect PHX was chosen due to scheduling logistics. MSP sent 747 and DC-10 to SEA, SFO & LAX that went onto Asia and Hawaii. Rotating a 744 would've been either difficult or undesirable, on an off-peak flight.
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:35 am

When I started working at NW in the late 70’s we had 747’s flying on multiple routes out of MSP until the NW-RC merger.

Flights from MSP to ORD or feed the ORD NRT N/S

NW 21/22 MSP LAX HNL

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Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:06 am

Flying home from college in the 90s, I world frequently find myself on a NW 747 (IIRC 200B) MSP to SEA. I world them grab AS North to home. Twice, my bags did not make it is the 747, and they went to Japan. They had to clear coustoms before they could get back to me. Problem is, there was only one Coustoms official in my town, and he was not based out of the airport.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:14 am

compensateme wrote:
MSP saw little 744 flying. NW only had 10 of the type in the 1990s, three of which were dedicated to JFK-NRT and the remainder which operated a hodgepodge of routes (DTW-SEL, DTW-OSA-SYD, LAX-SYD, SEA-HKG, etc.). They added 4 more in 1999, and 2 more in 2002 - it wasn't until that point that MSP saw regular 744 flights.

Off the top of my head, these are the only regularly scheduled NW 744 flights from MSP:
- MSP-PHX, briefly when the type was launched
- MSP-DTW, throughout the 1990s
- MSP-HKG, briefly in the mid-1990s
- MSP-NRT, briefly in the 1990s then regularly starting in 2002.
- MSP-HNL, seasonally in the mid-2000s.

I don't believe the 744 operated to AMS on a scheduled basis (and it definitely didn't serve LGW).[code][/code]


There are several photos here on a.net as well as on Flickr and various other sites online with photos of NW B744's at LGW.

If I remember correctly but

The B744 was used on MSP-LGW but for very short period, NW inaugurated MSP-LGW in June 1980 with a B742 which was replaced by the DC10 in the late eighties/early nineties, the B744 was briefly put on the route in around 1989, it didn't last long on and it was replaced by the DC10.
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:51 am

Cunard wrote:
compensateme wrote:
MSP saw little 744 flying. NW only had 10 of the type in the 1990s, three of which were dedicated to JFK-NRT and the remainder which operated a hodgepodge of routes (DTW-SEL, DTW-OSA-SYD, LAX-SYD, SEA-HKG, etc.). They added 4 more in 1999, and 2 more in 2002 - it wasn't until that point that MSP saw regular 744 flights.

Off the top of my head, these are the only regularly scheduled NW 744 flights from MSP:
- MSP-PHX, briefly when the type was launched
- MSP-DTW, throughout the 1990s
- MSP-HKG, briefly in the mid-1990s
- MSP-NRT, briefly in the 1990s then regularly starting in 2002.
- MSP-HNL, seasonally in the mid-2000s.

I don't believe the 744 operated to AMS on a scheduled basis (and it definitely didn't serve LGW).[code][/code]


There are several photos here on a.net as well as on Flickr and various other sites online with photos of NW B744's at LGW.

If I remember correctly but

The B744 was used on MSP-LGW but for very short period, NW inaugurated MSP-LGW in June 1980 with a B742 which was replaced by the DC10 in the late eighties/early nineties, the B744 was briefly put on the route in around 1989, it didn't last long on and it was replaced by the DC10.


I can’t find the thread, but this was previously debated. Yes, there’s a couple pictures of a NW 744 at LGW in early 1989, but they appear to have been taken on the same date. It’s unclear if this was a one-off flight, or a training run in the pre-KL partnership days. NW’s press releases months later indicate that JFK-NRT was the type’s inaugural international revenue flight, and timetables from early 1989 make no mention of 744 service to LGW, so it definitely was not regularly scheduled service.
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:00 am

Since there are some NW knowlegeble people out here can any of you shed some light on the following. During the 90s with the NW/KL partnership in full swing KLM had a handfull of NW first or second officer's flying the 747-400 with them. I remember being on a flight from AMS to DPS where the FO was from NW. I tried to find out why that was but other then not enough second officer's positions with NW they made the hours with KLM. Any insight on how long this lasted and what the actual reasons was?
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:30 pm

Flanker7 wrote:
Since there are some NW knowlegeble people out here can any of you shed some light on the following. During the 90s with the NW/KL partnership in full swing KLM had a handfull of NW first or second officer's flying the 747-400 with them. I remember being on a flight from AMS to DPS where the FO was from NW. I tried to find out why that was but other then not enough second officer's positions with NW they made the hours with KLM. Any insight on how long this lasted and what the actual reasons was?


Around 1993, NW furloughed approx 300 pilots (those at the bottom of the seniority list). KLM had a need for some additional second officers in their 747-200s and the two airlines worked out a deal where 12 or so furloughed second officers would make a 2 or 3 year commitment to fly for KLM in the flight engineer position. After the commitment they had a choice: if they had been recalled, they could return to NW, or choose to fly permanently for KLM. Only one pilot elected to stay in Europe and fly for KLM. The rest returned to NW to finish their careers.

Some of those 12 pilots might have flown as 'cruise pilots' in KLM's 744. In other words relief pilots who did not sit in a window seat during the TO or landing., but only during cruise. I can't remember but I knew some of them and talked to them after they returned to NW.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:58 pm

My very first flight was MKE-MSP on a 747 in 1975 or 1976. Left MKE at about 9pm. Needless to say, it was not packed!
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:14 pm

RetiredWeasel wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:
Since there are some NW knowlegeble people out here can any of you shed some light on the following. During the 90s with the NW/KL partnership in full swing KLM had a handfull of NW first or second officer's flying the 747-400 with them. I remember being on a flight from AMS to DPS where the FO was from NW. I tried to find out why that was but other then not enough second officer's positions with NW they made the hours with KLM. Any insight on how long this lasted and what the actual reasons was?


Around 1993, NW furloughed approx 300 pilots (those at the bottom of the seniority list). KLM had a need for some additional second officers in their 747-200s and the two airlines worked out a deal where 12 or so furloughed second officers would make a 2 or 3 year commitment to fly for KLM in the flight engineer position. After the commitment they had a choice: if they had been recalled, they could return to NW, or choose to fly permanently for KLM. Only one pilot elected to stay in Europe and fly for KLM. The rest returned to NW to finish their careers.

Some of those 12 pilots might have flown as 'cruise pilots' in KLM's 744. In other words relief pilots who did not sit in a window seat during the TO or landing., but only during cruise. I can't remember but I knew some of them and talked to them after they returned to NW.


Thanks for the info,
Flew the 300 series a lot but never came accros the NW crew there, but beeing a small group that could just be coincidence. Interesting development though.
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:28 pm

Whatever happened to Northwest's SEA-HKG route? I flew that in 1990 on a 742.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:54 pm

Great memories, but the OP was asking specifically about the 744. MSP was never a larger international hub for NW, therefore it saw limited 744 service.

Regularly scheduled nonstop international service on NW from MSP*****

Pacific -
NRT - surprisingly, nonstop service between MSP/NRT didn't begin until November 13, 1995 - as weekly service. It didn't go daily until December 1996.
KIX - service began 3x weekly in April 1997 and ended in October 1998. KIX resumed seasonally in 1999 and 2000.
HKG - service began 3x weekly in October 1997 and ended in November 1998.

IIRC, in 2001, NW swapped the second DTW-NRT flight for additional (or resumption of service, I don't remember) KIX frequency, but indicated this was an interim move until the new terminal at DTW opened, at which point DTW-NRT would go twice daily and DTW-KIX daily. I believe the second MSP-NRT flight was cut slightly earlier, post-/11, but summer 2002, not only did DTW go twice daily, but MSP gained three additional frequencies as well. Frequency increased to twice daily (seasonally) for a couple years mid-2000s, before being cut to daily.

Atlantic -
LGW - discussed earlier
AMS - inaugurated 1991 or 1992, up to twice daily within a couple years -- an NW 742 alongside KL. Went 2x742, then a mixture of DC-10 and 742, then DC-10, then 330.
CDG - wasn't attempted until the 2000s with 330 equipment.
OSL - operated with DC-10 summer 1999

I feel I need to include some definitions:
******Regularly scheduled = flights that are planned in advance (e.g. part of a routine bid package for crew, printed in timetables, etc.). Regularly scheduled = operated on a regular basis but no specific length of time. If a 744 was scheduled to operate MSP-AMS for three Mondays in September 2004, that would be regularly scheduled service - albeit brief. If a 744 designated as an operational spare was used to fill in for a 742 to AMS... that's not regularly scheduled.
******Nonstop means NONSTOP. If your MSP-HKG flight stopped at TPE for fuel... that does not mean NW operated MSP-TPE. And if you flew MSP-NRT-MNL on the same plane, same flight number... that's NOT nonstop - you stopped at NRT!
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:00 pm

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ytib wrote:
Here are some additional timetables from Northwest.

http://northwestairlineshistory.org/tim ... northwest/

How come there isn´t a timetable from the 1990s?


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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:28 am

compensateme wrote:
Great memories, but the OP was asking specifically about the 744. MSP was never a larger international hub for NW, therefore it saw limited 744 service.

Regularly scheduled nonstop international service on NW from MSP*****

Pacific -
NRT - surprisingly, nonstop service between MSP/NRT didn't begin until November 13, 1995 - as weekly service. It didn't go daily until December 1996.
KIX - service began 3x weekly in April 1997 and ended in October 1998. KIX resumed seasonally in 1999 and 2000.
HKG - service began 3x weekly in October 1997 and ended in November 1998.

IIRC, in 2001, NW swapped the second DTW-NRT flight for additional (or resumption of service, I don't remember) KIX frequency, but indicated this was an interim move until the new terminal at DTW opened, at which point DTW-NRT would go twice daily and DTW-KIX daily. I believe the second MSP-NRT flight was cut slightly earlier, post-/11, but summer 2002, not only did DTW go twice daily, but MSP gained three additional frequencies as well. Frequency increased to twice daily (seasonally) for a couple years mid-2000s, before being cut to daily.

Atlantic -
LGW - discussed earlier
AMS - inaugurated 1991 or 1992, up to twice daily within a couple years -- an NW 742 alongside KL. Went 2x742, then a mixture of DC-10 and 742, then DC-10, then 330.
CDG - wasn't attempted until the 2000s with 330 equipment.
OSL - operated with DC-10 summer 1999

I feel I need to include some definitions:
******Regularly scheduled = flights that are planned in advance (e.g. part of a routine bid package for crew, printed in timetables, etc.). Regularly scheduled = operated on a regular basis but no specific length of time. If a 744 was scheduled to operate MSP-AMS for three Mondays in September 2004, that would be regularly scheduled service - albeit brief. If a 744 designated as an operational spare was used to fill in for a 742 to AMS... that's not regularly scheduled.
******Nonstop means NONSTOP. If your MSP-HKG flight stopped at TPE for fuel... that does not mean NW operated MSP-TPE. And if you flew MSP-NRT-MNL on the same plane, same flight number... that's NOT nonstop - you stopped at NRT!

Northwest operated Minneapolis St.Paul to Chicago O Hare with the 744 as well.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:00 am

compensateme wrote:
MSP saw little 744 flying. NW only had 10 of the type in the 1990s, three of which were dedicated to JFK-NRT and the remainder which operated a hodgepodge of routes (DTW-SEL, DTW-OSA-SYD, LAX-SYD, SEA-HKG, etc.). They added 4 more in 1999, and 2 more in 2002 - it wasn't until that point that MSP saw regular 744 flights.

Off the top of my head, these are the only regularly scheduled NW 744 flights from MSP:
- MSP-PHX, briefly when the type was launched
- MSP-DTW, throughout the 1990s
- MSP-HKG, briefly in the mid-1990s
- MSP-NRT, briefly in the 1990s then regularly starting in 2002.
- MSP-HNL, seasonally in the mid-2000s.

I don't believe the 744 operated to AMS on a scheduled basis (and it definitely didn't serve LGW).[code][/code]


NW had a daily scheduled seasonal 744 as one of DTW-AMS flights for several summer seasons. I flew it once.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:15 am

lol they flew a 747 out of MKE?
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:26 am

Flew 747-200 regularly MSP- TPA in winter season early 80's.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:44 am

The first flight I have memories of was a Northwest 747-400 from SFO-MSP in 1993. From the introduction in 1989 to the 1993/1994, it wasn't uncommon for them to pop up on routes like MSP-SEA/SFO/PHX(possibly others). Northwest was of course the launch customer, maybe it was for more testing/crew training.

I don't recall the 747-400s doing much Europe flying, at least by the mid 1990s. Obviously all the Asia flights like NRT and HKG were 747-400s from MSP, not sure if HNL ever was.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:16 am

They flew to SIN, from NRT I believe. 742s initially followed by 744s. Freighters as well.

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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:45 am

Did the 744 burn more fuel than the 742 or was it about the same?
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:28 pm

beerbus wrote:
When I started working at NW in the late 70’s we had 747’s flying on multiple routes out of MSP until the NW-RC merger.

Flights from MSP to ORD or feed the ORD NRT N/S

NW 21/22 MSP LAX HNL

The infamous NW 222. MSP DTW JFK turn. That flight was a global melting pot. It left MSP at 1215AM

NW 34 MSP BOS

NW added four new whales in the summer of ‘79. One of the ships, N624US flew right up to the NW DL merger. The also paid cash for them.


NW 222 actually left MSP at 12:15 PM, not 12:15 AM. Many of the passengers on this flight were making connections to European airlines at JFK, and as you said, it was a global melting pot.

NW management was very good at buying used 747s, at low prices. In 1976, NW bought National's two 747-135s, and in 1982/83, NW bought three almost new Braniff 747-227s after Braniff shut down.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:59 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
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NW 222 actually left MSP at 12:15 PM, not 12:15 AM. Many of the passengers on this flight were making connections to European airlines at JFK, and as you said, it was a global melting pot.




It really did leave shortly after midnight. It originally was NW 244, MSP ORD DTW JFK.

It morphed in NW 222 when the ORD leg was dropped.

I worked that miserable flight too many times when I was initially on reserve.

The late Harry Chapin actually wrote a song about it titled "Northwest 222"

Here's a bit of the lyric:

But now they've gone and cancelled
Old Northwest 222
It's a late night bird that always
brought me back home to you
There's a thousand miles between us
Babe that I cannot get through
Is there nothing left to count on, now
That old 222 is gone?
Old 222 is gone.
Minneapolis at 1 AM Chicago at 3
It's Detroit at 5 the it's New York City
Where she's waitin' for me

Cheers!
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:19 pm

beerbus wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
[
NW 222 actually left MSP at 12:15 PM, not 12:15 AM. Many of the passengers on this flight were making connections to European airlines at JFK, and as you said, it was a global melting pot.




It really did leave shortly after midnight. It originally was NW 244, MSP ORD DTW JFK.

It morphed in NW 222 when the ORD leg was dropped.

I worked that miserable flight too many times when I was initially on reserve.

The late Harry Chapin actually wrote a song about it titled "Northwest 222"

Here's a bit of the lyric:

But now they've gone and cancelled
Old Northwest 222
It's a late night bird that always
brought me back home to you
There's a thousand miles between us
Babe that I cannot get through
Is there nothing left to count on, now
That old 222 is gone?
Old 222 is gone.
Minneapolis at 1 AM Chicago at 3
It's Detroit at 5 the it's New York City
Where she's waitin' for me

Cheers!


You're correct. I confused this flight with NW 220 / NW 221, which was the afternoon MSP-DTW-JFK 747, and which also was a global melting pot.
 
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Re: Northwest Airlines KMSP hub 747-400 destinations

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:36 pm

All 747 version routes from MSP:

Amsterdam, NL
Chicago-O'Hare, IL, US
Detroit, MI, US
Honolulu/Oahu, HI, US
London-Gatwick, EN, GB
Los Angeles, CA, US
Osaka-Kansai, JP
Phoenix, AZ, US
Seattle, WA, US
Tokyo-Narita, JP

747-400 Only:

Detroit, MI, US
Phoenix, AZ, US
Tokyo-Narita, JP
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