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Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

They started a daily flight in Summer 2018. In one year going to two daily is not that long.

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Great news for Stansted and it just goes to show the that there is the need for long haul from the airport.

Hopefully on the 10 April 2019 we're find out which London airport JetBlue chooses for their planned transatlantic operations from BOS and JFK and that STN is eventually their preferred airport.

Cunard wrote:

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Although that shouldn't be surprised given their extensive sales and distribution network in the UK and their exceptional brand in the UK and London in particular. If you consider London (now 11 daily flights on EK) as a whole it's a relatively small capacity addition.

Holy crap congratulations to EK who can pull off 9 daily A380s and 2 daily 777s into the same city. Let's wait for the flight that will lead to EK's two-hourly LON shuttle...

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

They would do considering how far out from Central London STN is.

evanb wrote:

Cunard wrote:

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Although that shouldn't be surprised given their extensive sales and distribution network in the UK and their exceptional brand in the UK and London in particular. If you consider London (now 11 daily flights on EK) as a whole it's a relatively small capacity addition.

I wasn't surprised as it was rather expected especially after EK recently changed the flight numbers for the existing flight and it's been mentioned on other forums that Emirates intended to go double daily on DXB to STN.

No it wasn't a surprise, the only surprise was that Emirates announced it so soon.

I was just making a statement with my post, I was definitely not surprised by this news and I'm fully aware of Emirates extensive sales and distribution network and exceptional brand awareness in the United Kingdom being a UK citizen

Arion640 wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

They would do considering how far out from Central London STN is.

The OP, possibly meant the Canary Wharf financial district?

evanb wrote:

Cunard wrote:

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Although that shouldn't be surprised given their extensive sales and distribution network in the UK and their exceptional brand in the UK and London in particular. If you consider London (now 11 daily flights on EK) as a whole it's a relatively small capacity addition.

I agree overall small, but still significant. It looks like steady growth. Until LHR builds another runway (or two), traffic will be pushed out and hubbing airlines with capacity have the advantage.

Do when LTN?

Lightsaber

Arion640 wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

They would do considering how far out from Central London STN is.

Yep.. STN is basically the gateway to the world for Essex...

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

There is zero evidence that the City ( the people who work there ) avoid Stansted ... it’s just gibberish

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

True in some part but I think that your rather generalising, it can't be said for all of them especially considering the profiles and in particular the ages of those that live and work in the city.

Galwayman wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

There is zero evidence that the City ( the people who work there ) avoid Stansted ... it’s just gibberish

I’m not saying they don’t use it but I can see a lot being loyal BA flyers so it’s LCY or LHR for those lot.

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

To put it politely, that's bullshit. Sorry!
I personally know plenty of City & Canary Wharf people who REGULARLY fly out of STN. And guess what? They even fly FR if the timings and destination airport are applicable to their work schedule! Surprise surprise!!!
Times have changed man! There's no longer space for silly snobbery in this world man, don't tell me going to LHR is an easier schlepp from the City, or that flying BA is so much more glamorous these days....c'mon! Let's be realistic.

lightsaber wrote:

Do when LTN?

Surely, LTN does get one jet-way and EK will likely be enticed to come.
Has EK smallest aircraft any issues taking-off from LTN runway?

Stansted is probably the only London Airport that has available slots for long haul.
The runway at Luton is just too short for the big jets.. and the runways at City and Southend are only for short haul.
Heathrow and Gatwick are close to capacity...

And its a load of rubbish that people in the City don't use Stansted... it is 50 minutes on a train from Liverpool Street station in the heart of the financial district.
I have used it plenty of times ..the airport is modern and easy to use.
Its also a better choice for an additional runway for London as well.
Last time I was at Stansted there was a Qantas 747 doing a charter flight... don't think it can handle an A380 yet

Great news for the Newmarket horse racing community.

Arion640 wrote:

I’m not saying they don’t use it but I can see a lot being loyal BA flyers so it’s LCY or LHR for those lot.

You'd be surprised a whole lot of people aren't loyal to British Airways at all. Specially in the suburbs of London where there's poverty, people are loyal to their wallets. British Airways is just plain expensive while at Stansted you find the cheaper airlines. Given that the Stansted Express also stops at Tottenham Hale and Stratford, it's an easy ride to Stansted from northern and eastern London. A whole lot of people from that part of London could be considered loyal to Ryanair and now for their long haul flights they can use Emirates just as easy and cheap.

PatrickZ80 wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

I’m not saying they don’t use it but I can see a lot being loyal BA flyers so it’s LCY or LHR for those lot.

You'd be surprised a whole lot of people aren't loyal to British Airways at all. Specially in the suburbs of London where there's poverty, people are loyal to their wallets. British Airways is just plain expensive while at Stansted you find the cheaper airlines. Given that the Stansted Express also stops at Tottenham Hale and Stratford, it's an easy ride to Stansted from northern and eastern London. A whole lot of people from that part of London could be considered loyal to Ryanair and now for their long haul flights they can use Emirates just as easy and cheap.

I was Talking in the context of those working in the city, usually travelling for work.

2travel2know2 wrote:

Has EK smallest aircraft any issues taking-off from LTN runway?

Taking off itself would be possible, but not with enough fuel and profitable payload to make it all the way to Dubai. It can take off while almost empty, then fly to another airport closeby with a longer runway and be refueled. That's all they can do at Luton.

Arion640 wrote:

They would do considering how far out from Central London STN is.

In distance, yes, but that doesn't matter as there's a fast and reliable train connection. Distances should always be measured in travel time.

Galwayman wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

There is zero evidence that the City ( the people who work there ) avoid Stansted ... it’s just gibberish

Most corporate booking policies avoid STN, ours does. The City uses LHR or LCY even though the Stansted Express connects well. Not many companies in the square mile have a corporate booking deal with Ryanair and even easyJet at STN is not what it was.

flyingphil wrote:

Stansted is probably the only London Airport that has available slots for long haul.
The runway at Luton is just too short for the big jets.. and the runways at City and Southend are only for short haul.
Heathrow and Gatwick are close to capacity...

And its a load of rubbish that people in the City don't use Stansted... it is 50 minutes on a train from Liverpool Street station in the heart of the financial district.
I have used it plenty of times ..the airport is modern and easy to use.
Its also a better choice for an additional runway for London as well.
Last time I was at Stansted there was a Qantas 747 doing a charter flight... don't think it can handle an A380 yet

What routes are business friendly for financial services out of STN?
I use STN a lot and save a lot by using Ryanair. However for corporate travel purposes, STN doesn’t even register so far as I can see. I am (badly) making the point that even with a direct fast and frequent train service into EC1, the City and Stansted might as well be in different countries. In an airport overwhelmingly RYANAIR, easyJet and loco, exactly what is the offer to the corporate market? Easy, it’s at LCY with a Gold Card. On paper Air UK should have been on a winner from day one!!! It doesn’t work like that.

The runway at Luton is just too short for the big jets..


I'm sure there have been a number of big jets fly out of Luton:
Monarch A300
Court line Tristar
And Brittania started their Australian 767 charter flights out of Luton.

Good for STN. Surprised the EDI spotters not popped up surprised no double daily from there...

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

2travel2know2 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Do when LTN?

Surely, LTN does get one jet-way and EK will likely be enticed to come.
Has EK smallest aircraft any issues taking-off from LTN runway?

El Al have managed to get 777s into the airport, however I'm not sure if they manage that due to the shorter distance to Tel Aviv requiring less fuel, if fuel weight isn't an issue they could quite possibly get in with one of the new A330neos that are coming.

As for people who work in the city, Heathrow will always be first choice for the simple fact you're more likely to get a flight from there at your preferred time. When/If the Elizabeth Line opens it'll also slash journey times to Heathrow which could cause issues for the Stansted flights if they're relying on the business market out of Canary Wharf.

oldannyboy wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

cedarjet wrote:

Big market — east London (inc financial district), Cambridge, Essex. Don’t know what took them so long

The City avoids Stansted, always has.
It's a snobbery in part but even in this case, it likely prevails.

To put it politely, that's bullshit. Sorry!
I personally know plenty of City & Canary Wharf people who REGULARLY fly out of STN. And guess what? They even fly FR if the timings and destination airport are applicable to their work schedule! Surprise surprise!!!
Times have changed man! There's no longer space for silly snobbery in this world man, don't tell me going to LHR is an easier schlepp from the City, or that flying BA is so much more glamorous these days....c'mon! Let's be realistic.

Yeah mate, those Baristas gotta get home somehow. I am talking business travellers, as one thing about the square mile is that almost nobody actually lives in it. What financial services company sends its staff on Ryanair? I am genuinely curious. When you’re on company time you’re expected to be working, something not impossible on LH/LX/BA/AF but not a Ryanair thing.
Again, nothing against FR who I use often, when I am paying on leisure.

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

Arion640 wrote:

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

The runway in Bristol is even shorter than in Luton, so that's a no-go. It would be possible if they make it a triangle flight, adding another airport after Bristol. TUI Airlines UK does this too. They fly from Bristol to Orlando Sanford on the 787, however not straight. After Bristol it makes another stop, I believe Manchester but I'm not sure.

Belfast would certainly be possible, that runway is long enough. Leeds Bradford would be tricky, it's hardly longer than Luton.

Other airports in the UK unserved by Emirates that do have sufficient runway length are Doncaster Sheffield and East Midlands. Not exactly the most major airports.

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

Possibly Belfast I know Qatar at least we’re looking at it

PatrickZ80 wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

The runway in Bristol is even shorter than in Luton, so that's a no-go. It would be possible if they make it a triangle flight, adding another airport after Bristol. TUI Airlines UK does this too. They fly from Bristol to Orlando Sanford on the 787, however not straight. After Bristol it makes another stop, I believe Manchester but I'm not sure.

No they do not - They fly nonstop to Cancun, Punta Cana and Orlando from Bristol during the Summer.

Arion640 wrote:

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

Or fly to CWL and market it as Cardiff-Bristol?

2travel2know2 wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

Malayil wrote:

What’s left for the UK for EK? Not sure if EK can go to BRS with the runway length, but perhaps BFS and maybe LBA?

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

Or fly to CWL and market it as Cardiff-Bristol?

I think that the Welsh government would probably have something to say and to totally oppose your wide of the mark comment regarding marketing CWL as ''Cardiff-Bristol''.

And I don't think that your idea would go down very well either with the Bristolians on the other side of River Seven.

Luton would be more for like flyDubai?

Cunard wrote:

2travel2know2 wrote:

Arion640 wrote:

They could potentially go to BRS when they get their A330neos, other than that it’s not possible.

Or fly to CWL and market it as Cardiff-Bristol?

I think that the Welsh government would probably have something to say and to totally oppose your wide of the mark comment regarding marketing CWL as ''Cardiff-Bristol''.

And I don't think that your idea would go down very well either with the Bristolians on the other side of River Seven.

But give CWL an EK flight, without any controversial marketing name, and Bristolians would likely use it.

Of course Bristolians would likely use it and I'm sure that they make up a large percentage of the passengers on the current QR flight to Doha from Cardiff but my point was regarding your ridiculous suggestion of naming CWL Cardiff-Bristol considering that both airports basically compete with one another despite the fact that they are situated on either side of the seven estuary.

You do realise that CWL is owned by the Welsh government and it promotes the airport as being the gateway to Wales and the capital city of Cardiff, for that reason alone the suggestion of naming it Cardiff-Bristol is an absolute non starter.

The runway at BRS would probably limit any service to DXB and even if EK flew from Cardiff I don't think that the market could support two airlines flying to the Middle East, the loads on the Qatar flights can back that up.

I think that Emirates have the United Kingdom sown up now with the airports that they currently serve, I can't honestly see them opening up anymore airports within the country.

The best bet for BRS and perhaps BFS is Turkish Airlines.

I wouldn't be surprised at some point if TK reinstated STN for passenger service to Istanbul, Turkish Airlines Cargo currently use STN and Turkish Airlines used to fly to Istanbul from the airport.

c933103 wrote:

Luton would be more for like flyDubai?

With Emirates excellent coverage of the United Kingdom and the frequency of flights you won't see Flydubai operating to the United Kingdom let alone Luton.

evanb wrote:

Cunard wrote:

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Although that shouldn't be surprised given their extensive sales and distribution network in the UK and their exceptional brand in the UK and London in particular. If you consider London (now 11 daily flights on EK) as a whole it's a relatively small capacity addition.

I'm impressed! I think it's time we call EK what it is, the official airline of the UK.

hz747300 wrote:

evanb wrote:

Cunard wrote:

Considering that Emirates started DXB to STN on the 08 June 2018 I wouldn't say that it ''took them so long'' to add a second daily flight!

This must be one of the quickest additions on the Emirates network after all DXB to STN hasn't even been operating for a year and a second daily flight is added.

Although that shouldn't be surprised given their extensive sales and distribution network in the UK and their exceptional brand in the UK and London in particular. If you consider London (now 11 daily flights on EK) as a whole it's a relatively small capacity addition.

I'm impressed! I think it's time we call EK what it is, the official airline of the UK.

Going east of Istanbul, maybe.

It's really impressive. 11 flights a day, most of them A380s.. Not bad.

As for the endless debate about STN being "posh "enough or whatever, I'm sure it attracts its fair share of people from the financial community. Maybe not all of it, of course, but a steady share.

Both FR and U2 have always attracted a small share of business travelers. They promote that regularly. If I'm not mistaken, the overall share is about 20pc, rising to almost 50pc on some routes.

I've seen plenty of people working on their laptops on flights on FR. No big deal.

Yes, you will probably not see that on flights to Ibiza in the height of summer.

As for EK, could they increase frequencies to LGW if they wanted to (slots, bilaterals, etc.)..?

Thx.

Regards.

B8887

Monarch briefly flew A330s to Florida from LTN before 9/11 put a stop to it with a 374 seat configuration.

El Al sometimes fly 777 into LTN from TLV.

I would have thought EK A330NEOs outo of LTN, if not 777s, would be a technical possibility, although perhaps with a significant freight limitation.

Personally, EK flights are more appealing out of STN than any of the current EK offers and thus are more likely to be used.

It just shows what a liberal aviation policy can do for the economy and its citizens - and EK.

B8887 wrote:

As for EK, could they increase frequencies to LGW if they wanted to (slots, bilaterals, etc.)..?

UK and UAE have an open skies, so no bilateral issues, which allows EK to decide which secondary cities they want to fly to and at what frequency, but yes, LGW is slot constrained and difficult to get slots at the times EK would want. But I don't think the additional flights are only about not being able to get the appropriate slots at LGW since the STN flights have similar timings to the LGW (and LHR flights) which suggests that they see STN as capturing/serving a different geographic market.

EK 4 LHR DXB 8:20 pm 7:20 am+1
EK 10 LGW DXB 8:25 pm 7:20 am+1
EK 34 STN DXB 8:15 pm 7:10 am+1

I think LTN can write off any hopes of ever attracting Emirates, while they are focussed on using the 777 and A380 aircraft.

However a 787-8/9 would have no issues whatsoever flying to Gulf region non-stop from Luton's 7000ft runway, they are regularly operating into the airport to go in the TUI Hangars and during the "Drone-gate" at Gatwick in December last year, TUI operated a few 787 flights from the airport to the Caribbean and these were all non-stop.

It really leaves Qatar Airways as the only option, and if they would want to operate from the airport remains another question? The airport is getting a new No 1 Lounge, which is due to open in a few months and along with the Aspire Lounge would have no issues for premium passengers using the flight with access to a lounge.

But as Luton is that bit closer to Heathrow, it will be overlapping into the LHR market that Qatar serves, and the airline serves the LHR to DOH route with a real mix of aircraft, ranging from the 787, 777, A350 and A380. Surely before they would consider Luton, they would want to be sure all aircraft out of Heathrow are the largest type they can operate on the route?

It will also dilute QRs 787 BHX-DOH route and it appears this has never been the great success, like Emirates have had from Birmingham.

Wizzair with their new A321neo's and FlyDubai are probably a more likely option to operate to somewhere like Dubai, if a Gulf route was ever to start?!

Those TUI B787's heading for the hangars at LTN are empty though minus passengers, baggage and less fuel so a bit different than a fully loaded B787.

During ''drone gate'' at LGW in December LTN only had the one TUI flight bound for BGI not a few!

A TUI B789 chartered by P&O Cruises in December bound for Barbados to connect with their cruise ship BRITANNIA was flown from LTN non-stop to Barbados due to the closure of LGW.

This was the only flight.

Qatar already use STN for their freight operations and I would assume that if they did intend on opening up a new London airport for their passenger operations it would be Stansted.

As you've already mentioned LTN is too close to LHR for Qatar and any possible route by QR to Doha from LTN could easily dilute their BHX operations which performance wise aren't fantastic.

With the extensive coverage of the United Kingdom by Emirates I can't see their subsidiary Flydubai flying to the UK let alone LTN.

The only hope for such a route lies in WIZZ but to be honest I don't see it happening as they would be sending an A321neo up against the might of the ME3 and their wider route network and larger aircraft.

Let's be real though if the excecutives from Qatar made a visit to LTN to have a look at the airport and it's facilities I'm sure that they'd all instantly agree that it wasn't the airport for them!

The cargo business has been a pleasant surprise out of STN according to SkyCargo UK staff. Almost always full.

The second daily will add another 30t. As it is EK operate two 777Fs per week LHR-DWC, due lack of space below decks on the 380 out of LHR/LGW