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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:27 pm

Dang that’s a lot of frequency, I’m used to seeing daily or multi-weekly. Maybe DEN-BUR wouldn't see as much frequency (which is what I was thinking was the new route).
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:30 pm

No aircraft type though. Is that normal for Spirit not to disclose?
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:30 pm

I have no interest in flying Spirit, but perhaps this will keep WN fares closer to LAX. At least when I’ve need to fly the “BUR Premium” was quite high.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:31 pm

Interesting choice, but not entirely surprising. I certainly thought they'd add ONT before BUR, but NK has been getting into more smaller/secondary markets in the past few years. I wonder if we'll see markets like MKE, ISP, PVD, etc added in the near future.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:32 pm

doesn't BUR have stair boarding, no jetways?
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:34 pm

may surprise people, but this is not exactly a money pot for WN that people make it out to be. There is also XE that's running peak of 7 flight a day on this route.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:37 pm

Veigar wrote:
doesn't BUR have stair boarding, no jetways?


Yes.

msycajun wrote:
Interesting choice, but not entirely surprising. I certainly thought they'd add ONT before BUR, but NK has been getting into more smaller/secondary markets in the past few years. I wonder if we'll see markets like MKE, ISP, PVD, etc added in the near future.


They're not going back to ISP. They've been there twice and left.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:45 pm

msycajun wrote:
Interesting choice, but not entirely surprising. I certainly thought they'd add ONT before BUR, but NK has been getting into more smaller/secondary markets in the past few years. I wonder if we'll see markets like MKE, ISP, PVD, etc added in the near future.


One big difference between BUR and ONT is that there are currently no ULCC's serving BUR whereas F9 already serves ONT.

NK is likely to add service out of MKE in the next year since (a) NK has recently added service to other former FL destinations such as AVL, CLT, CMH, IND, JAX, and RDU, (b) MKE was a former focus city for FL prior to the WN-FL merger, and (c) MKE is one of the largest markets not currently served by NK.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:01 pm

Well, this should drive JetSuiteX off the route...
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:08 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Well, this should drive JetSuiteX off the route...


Hopefully not. I flew with them on LAS-BUR last week, and loved their whole production with private terminals at both ends and great hard product on the E135. Departing from their private terminal at LAS with no TSA screening was so relaxing compared to the main terminals. Furthermore, I doubt NK and XE are geared towards the same type of passengers. WN will probably be more affected.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:25 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Well, this should drive JetSuiteX off the route...

you do realize all of the JetSuiteX capacity on this route represents one A320 flight, right? They will be fine in these LAS routes.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:31 pm

Before today, BUR would have probably not even in my next 50 guesses of what NKs newest city would be. I too would have guessed ONT as the next LA basin airport as LAX and BUR really serve the same catchment. ONT largely captures a whole different market. Spirit is certianly keeping their recent adds very interesting. Probably a good move, serving a very convenient airport in a Metro area of 13 million people and connecting them to LAs favorite vice.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:36 pm

evank516 wrote:
No aircraft type though. Is that normal for Spirit not to disclose?


The type is now up on Spirit.com. A319.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:44 pm

Spirit also has shown interest in the 13 unused slots in LGB.
As of now looks like WN getting 9 of the 13.
I wouldn't be surprised if the other 4 end up at Spirit.

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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:48 pm

Super strange add, but it's a good way to really boast their service in the LA market.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:55 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Spirit also has shown interest in the 13 unused slots in LGB.
As of now looks like WN getting 9 of the 13.
I wouldn't be surprised if the other 4 end up at Spirit.

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Man, did B6 invite a mess there.

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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:56 pm

Just flew NK MCI-LAX nonstop and WN return via HOU. To be honest I found Spirit surprisingly efficient and SW seemed not up to par with inexplicable pushback delays and odd inflight service patterns. Just an anecdotal FYI
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:58 pm

Sounds like they're using gate A8 in BUR.
And the old end counter space that was once used by SkyBus.

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Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:29 pm

RJNUT wrote:
Just flew NK MCI-LAX nonstop and WN return via HOU. To be honest I found Spirit surprisingly efficient and SW seemed not up to par with inexplicable pushback delays and odd inflight service patterns. Just an anecdotal FYI

I've never flown Spirit and really don't think about them much, but they have gotten quite a bit of positive comments on here from people who have actually flown them. I'm sure having lower expectations makes it easy to be surprised on the upside but regardless they seem to be doing something right.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:37 pm

I hope locals support this service. Congratulations to BUR.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:40 pm

msycajun wrote:
Interesting choice, but not entirely surprising. I certainly thought they'd add ONT before BUR, but NK has been getting into more smaller/secondary markets in the past few years. I wonder if we'll see markets like MKE, ISP, PVD, etc added in the near future.


I guess they've been looking at Ryanair and Wizzair in Europe and are trying the same thing in America. Smaller airports have the benefit of lower landing and handling costs, plenty capacity and faster turnaround times. Due to this they can offer a lower ticket price.

Veigar wrote:
doesn't BUR have stair boarding, no jetways?


Very true, but so what? Probably another thing they looked off from the Euro LCCs, they prefer airstairs even when jetways are available. After all the costs of airstairs are far lower than the costs of using jetways, and because you can use two doors for boarding it goes twice as fast.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:46 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Super strange add, but it's a good way to really boast their service in the LA market.



These are the types of adds we are not seeing in our market.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:49 pm

About time an ULCC carrier enters BUR. Congrats to both. Should be a very successful operation for locals for less than WN fares.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:13 pm

Any other airline expected to serve BUR?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:

Very true, but so what? Probably another thing they looked off from the Euro LCCs, they prefer airstairs even when jetways are available. After all the costs of airstairs are far lower than the costs of using jetways, and because you can use two doors for boarding it goes twice as fast.



You can't use two doors/stairs at BUR because of the proximity of the taxiway/runway to the parking stands.

I'm not too familiar with gate availability and assignments at BUR. Do you think they will use B6's gate?
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:46 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
Just flew NK MCI-LAX nonstop and WN return via HOU. To be honest I found Spirit surprisingly efficient and SW seemed not up to par with inexplicable pushback delays and odd inflight service patterns. Just an anecdotal FYI

I've never flown Spirit and really don't think about them much, but they have gotten quite a bit of positive comments on here from people who have actually flown them. I'm sure having lower expectations makes it easy to be surprised on the upside but regardless they seem to be doing something right.


NK seems to have improved their customer service and their overall appearance over the past couple years. I'd see a lot of negative posts and YouTube videos trashing them, but I flew them LAS-DFW last month and was pleasantly surprised. Then again, I was lucky enough to fly on an A320neo, but, still, they've improved a lot in my opinion.
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:13 pm

drdisque wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

Very true, but so what? Probably another thing they looked off from the Euro LCCs, they prefer airstairs even when jetways are available. After all the costs of airstairs are far lower than the costs of using jetways, and because you can use two doors for boarding it goes twice as fast.



You can't use two doors/stairs at BUR because of the proximity of the taxiway/runway to the parking stands.

I'm not too familiar with gate availability and assignments at BUR. Do you think they will use B6's gate?



That’s false. Front and Rear stairs are used at every gate and by every mainline operator at BUR

As far as gate assignments go id assume a mix of gate A8 (WN uses for 738 and soon AA 738) as well as shared use of A9 with B6 depending on flight times and gate usage at those times.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:33 pm

Beechtobus wrote:
Before today, BUR would have probably not even in my next 50 guesses of what NKs newest city would be.


A short route like this seems like like a lot of hours for little money. NK can be confident in volume with low prices, to be sure.
 
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:38 pm

nine4nine wrote:
About time an ULCC carrier enters BUR. Congrats to both. Should be a very successful operation for locals for less than WN fares.


It really depends on if they can undercut WN enough on price and make it up on the ancillary fees. Some of the BUR-LAS flights have the reputation of being the Stripper Express; I'm not sure one would need more than a backpack for thongs and a couple of pair of high heels, so there goes the bag fee... :rotfl:
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:15 am

nine4nine wrote:
drdisque wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

Very true, but so what? Probably another thing they looked off from the Euro LCCs, they prefer airstairs even when jetways are available. After all the costs of airstairs are far lower than the costs of using jetways, and because you can use two doors for boarding it goes twice as fast.



You can't use two doors/stairs at BUR because of the proximity of the taxiway/runway to the parking stands.

I'm not too familiar with gate availability and assignments at BUR. Do you think they will use B6's gate?



That’s false. Front and Rear stairs are used at every gate and by every mainline operator at BUR

As far as gate assignments go id assume a mix of gate A8 (WN uses for 738 and soon AA 738) as well as shared use of A9 with B6 depending on flight times and gate usage at those times.


I agree. I used to fly AS on the SEA-BUR run and have used the aft airstairs at BUR.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:40 am

Nice.

Now please Please PLEASE add OAK! Would love to have a BUR-OAK option that isn't WN!!
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:51 am

B747forever wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
Well, this should drive JetSuiteX off the route...


Hopefully not. I flew with them on LAS-BUR last week, and loved their whole production with private terminals at both ends and great hard product on the E135. Departing from their private terminal at LAS with no TSA screening was so relaxing compared to the main terminals. Furthermore, I doubt NK and XE are geared towards the same type of passengers. WN will probably be more affected.


I’ll say. Liked them and their free booze quite a bit.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:54 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Nice.

Now please Please PLEASE add OAK! Would love to have a BUR-OAK option that isn't WN!!


To be fair, JetSuiteX also flies OAK-BUR 5x daily.
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:58 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Nice.

Now please Please PLEASE add OAK! Would love to have a BUR-OAK option that isn't WN!!


JetSuiteX flies the route! And with some forward planning you can get tickets for around $69 one way, which is in line with what WN charge. So not that expensive bearing in mind the much better product.
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:24 am

drdisque wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

Very true, but so what? Probably another thing they looked off from the Euro LCCs, they prefer airstairs even when jetways are available. After all the costs of airstairs are far lower than the costs of using jetways, and because you can use two doors for boarding it goes twice as fast.



You can't use two doors/stairs at BUR because of the proximity of the taxiway/runway to the parking stands.

I'm not too familiar with gate availability and assignments at BUR. Do you think they will use B6's gate?


That's incorrect, WN uses both doors all the time.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:55 am

If anything NK will be pulling traffic from the freeway, not other airlines.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:04 am

travelin man wrote:
If anything NK will be pulling traffic from the freeway, not other airlines.


Probably largely true, or pulling people that would be going out locally or to Commerce Casino or Hollywood Park or the like. Or people that simply weren’t planning an outing to begin with.
 
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:15 am

alasizon wrote:
To be fair, JetSuiteX also flies OAK-BUR 5x daily.
B747forever wrote:
JetSuiteX flies the route!

Oh wow, thanks!

I've never even looked into them before, as I generally avoid small/new airlines.... but then again, desire to avoid both WN and SFO might be even stronger. :lol:

'preciate it.
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:27 am

LAX772LR wrote:
alasizon wrote:
To be fair, JetSuiteX also flies OAK-BUR 5x daily.
B747forever wrote:
JetSuiteX flies the route!

Oh wow, thanks!

I've never even looked into them before, as I generally avoid small/new airlines.... but then again, desire to avoid both WN and SFO might be even stronger. :lol:

'preciate it.


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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:05 am

tphuang wrote:
may surprise people, but this is not exactly a money pot for WN that people make it out to be. There is also XE that's running peak of 7 flight a day on this route.


Really? Look at the RASM vs CASM for Airlines out of BUR. The yield per ASM out of BUR is high because the airport has such low per passenger cost, much lower than other SoCal airports. Spirit has done their homework & my own thought, they jump in before JetBlue jumps when they’re ready to abandon LGB. JetBlue has acknowledged that ONT doesn’t fit their west coast model, so who does? And I still await for another ULCC to announce BUR, eventually.

Now, playing devils advocate, Spirit loves to expand if a market is ripe, I don’t know what BUR could offer. OAK/DEN/DFW/ORD where else? I’d love to see all but time will tell
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:41 pm

Spirit soon will be taking over the remaining 6 open gates on Terminal A in LAS later this year. I expect you will see a a lot more western markets added.
The new CEO was a fan of AWA old night time Vegas red eye Hub.
Spirit cheapness is successfully gaining market share against WN in LAS.
I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 yrs from now they will takeover as the biggest operation in LAS.

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Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:08 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
may surprise people, but this is not exactly a money pot for WN that people make it out to be. There is also XE that's running peak of 7 flight a day on this route.


Really? Look at the RASM vs CASM for Airlines out of BUR. The yield per ASM out of BUR is high because the airport has such low per passenger cost, much lower than other SoCal airports. Spirit has done their homework & my own thought, they jump in before JetBlue jumps when they’re ready to abandon LGB. JetBlue has acknowledged that ONT doesn’t fit their west coast model, so who does? And I still await for another ULCC to announce BUR, eventually.

Now, playing devils advocate, Spirit loves to expand if a market is ripe, I don’t know what BUR could offer. OAK/DEN/DFW/ORD where else? I’d love to see all but time will tell

No, B6 is not jumping into the west coast bloodbath anytime soon I can tell you that. The 3 routes that loose the most money for WN based on my estimations are LAX-SFO/OAK/SJC. Not something an airline with needs elsewhere can afford to get into.

While LGB is bottom of the pit in terms of yield, the rest of the intra-cali/LAS travel isn't exactly doing well either. I compared WN's yield on the intra-west coast to rest of their system on similar distance routes, especially Texas, it's especially telling how weak the wet coast stuff is. SNA does pretty well, but there is just a lot of capacity in rest of LA basin.

NK on the other hand has their cost under control, so they are taking some real chances this year. We will see how it works out for them. B6 is not in a position to get into the west coast battle.

wnflyguy wrote:
Spirit soon will be taking over the remaining 6 open gates on Terminal A in LAS later this year. I expect you will see a a lot more western markets added.
The new CEO was a fan of AWA old night time Vegas red eye Hub.
Spirit cheapness is successfully gaining market share against WN in LAS.
I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 yrs from now they will takeover as the biggest operation in LAS.

Flyguy

hard to see how that can happen given WN has over 200 flights at LAS, NK could use LAS as the center of their west coast expansion. It so far has been much less successful there vs east coast.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:29 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
may surprise people, but this is not exactly a money pot for WN that people make it out to be. There is also XE that's running peak of 7 flight a day on this route.


Really? Look at the RASM vs CASM for Airlines out of BUR. The yield per ASM out of BUR is high because the airport has such low per passenger cost, much lower than other SoCal airports. Spirit has done their homework & my own thought, they jump in before JetBlue jumps when they’re ready to abandon LGB. JetBlue has acknowledged that ONT doesn’t fit their west coast model, so who does? And I still await for another ULCC to announce BUR, eventually.

Now, playing devils advocate, Spirit loves to expand if a market is ripe, I don’t know what BUR could offer. OAK/DEN/DFW/ORD where else? I’d love to see all but time will tell


With the huge film industry in Atlanta BUR-ATL would be a great add along with connecting BUR to the Detroit hub.
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Re: Spirit adds BUR.

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:36 pm

klm617 wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
may surprise people, but this is not exactly a money pot for WN that people make it out to be. There is also XE that's running peak of 7 flight a day on this route.


Really? Look at the RASM vs CASM for Airlines out of BUR. The yield per ASM out of BUR is high because the airport has such low per passenger cost, much lower than other SoCal airports. Spirit has done their homework & my own thought, they jump in before JetBlue jumps when they’re ready to abandon LGB. JetBlue has acknowledged that ONT doesn’t fit their west coast model, so who does? And I still await for another ULCC to announce BUR, eventually.

Now, playing devils advocate, Spirit loves to expand if a market is ripe, I don’t know what BUR could offer. OAK/DEN/DFW/ORD where else? I’d love to see all but time will tell


With the huge film industry in Atlanta BUR-ATL would be a great add along with connecting BUR to the Detroit hub.


DL has already added 2x daily BUR-ATL effective July so that’s pretty much covered. However, if NK can be successful at BUR which I have no doubts they will, then I’m sure the NK DTW focus city will for sure be added next.
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:10 pm

[/quote]
hard to see how that can happen given WN has over 200 flights at LAS, NK could use LAS as the center of their west coast expansion. It so far has been much less successful there vs east coast.[/quote]

While I do agree that NK likely won’t be taking the top spot in LAS from WN any time soon, I don’t think you can say Vegas itself has not been sucesessful or “has been much less successful” than anywhere else they fly. Sure, the Midwest and East has grown more than the West for Spirit in general, but Vegas has been wildly successful for Spirit. In two years Spirit has more than doubled from 28 to 55 daily departures out of LAS. Almost every domestic city that Spirit adds gets a flight to Vegas. Last year Vegas added year round daily frequencies to many cities out of LAS in linculding all of its West coast points.

So Spirit taking Southwests spot in LAS? no. But Spirit not successful in LAS? no as well.

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos