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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:32 am

N383SW wrote:
jplatts wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Will be MAX7 be ETOPS certified?


WN does not have any current plans to use MAX 7's on any nonstop routes to or from Hawaii. WN will very likely be using its MAX 7's on routes that do not require ETOPS-certified aircraft.

DAL-HOU will be one of the initial 737 MAX 7 routes. WN will primarily operate the 737 MAX 7 planes on routes within the contiguous U.S.


Oh??? And how exactly do you know that there are NO PLANS to use the MAX7 for any ETOPS missions and that they will stay in the lower 48?!? Please link all sources in your response. Also if you could limit your educated response to 3 sentences Im sure most here would appreciate it!


Agreed. That goes against everything we've heard.

My understanding is the MAX7 will absolutely be etops - and utilized as such.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:39 am

^I agree. I thought it already had come out there were going to use the MAX7 on some longer flights to Hawaii.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:39 am

STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:06 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
BNA-SMF


See no SMF-BNA nonstops. Only one-stop thru flights. Looked week of 10/16.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:11 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
BNA-SMF


See no SMF-BNA nonstops. Only one-stop thru flights. Looked week of 10/16.

I would have swore it was on the route map. I can’t check now though on my mobile. Maybe I was still over STL
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:34 pm

IND-BOS is officially dropped
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:10 pm

Just picking Oct 28 to look at, FLL-PVD looks to be back.
ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL are all gone still
MKE looks to be gone
GCM and PLS are back, BZE remains not available.
DCA is back to 2 aday.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:11 pm

I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:12 pm

BNA-SMF shows operating n/s during May, but I don't see it in Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep/Oct.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:13 pm

tphuang wrote:
Just picking Oct 28 to look at, FLL-PVD looks to be back.
ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL are all gone still
MKE looks to be gone
GCM and PLS are back, BZE remains not available.
DCA is back to 2 aday.

BUF-FLL is Saturday only.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:25 pm

The biggest news isn't the actual schedule. It's that we now have some idea about ongoing hawaii pricing as well as schedule:

Fly to Hawaii for 10,527 Points or $159 One-Way
Southwest’s new Hawaii service is about to start in just a few days on March 17th! When those flights were originally announced, we saw incredibly low fares of just $49 one-way! Unfortunately, this schedule extension did not bring the same fares, although you can still book for $159 one-way during the month of October. While you might find similar pricing on other airlines (maybe?), remember you can fly 2-for-1 with the Southwest Companion Pass! Also, no additional Hawaiian routes were announced, so you are still looking at the following routes:

Oakland (OAK) to Honolulu (HNL)
Oakland (OAK) to Maui (OGG)
San Jose (SJC) to Honolulu (HNL)
San Jose (SJC) to Maui (OGG)
Inter-island Honolulu (HNL) to Maui (OGG)
Inter-island Honolulu (HNL) to Kona (KOA)
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:28 pm

tphuang wrote:
Just picking Oct 28 to look at, FLL-PVD looks to be back.
ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL are all gone still
MKE looks to be gone
GCM and PLS are back, BZE remains not available.
DCA is back to 2 aday.


Seeing this too and I have a FLL-BDL trip to book for October. Also seeing. A lot of flights listed as partially 800s “sold out”.

Hoping they are just being conservative on the runway work at FLL. I fully believe their full schedule will return for thanksgiving but I’m not fully optimistic going beyond the “busy” season. WN, if you read this, there are a lot of people who choose you over B6. Don’t make me fly them!
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.


WN has cut all the IND-Northeast routes in the past 1-2 years(DCA, EWR, and now BOS), plus cut back service to SAN, LAX, OAK, and MDW. Not too surprised here.....
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:57 pm

jco613 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Just picking Oct 28 to look at, FLL-PVD looks to be back.
ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL are all gone still
MKE looks to be gone
GCM and PLS are back, BZE remains not available.
DCA is back to 2 aday.


Seeing this too and I have a FLL-BDL trip to book for October. Also seeing. A lot of flights listed as partially 800s “sold out”.

Hoping they are just being conservative on the runway work at FLL. I fully believe their full schedule will return for thanksgiving but I’m not fully optimistic going beyond the “busy” season. WN, if you read this, there are a lot of people who choose you over B6. Don’t make me fly them!


out of ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL, I think BDL might be the least likely to come back to full daily service. btw, I don't really consider Sat only service to be real competition. Based on this update and how many flights did come back for the winter, I think you are unlikely to see much more restored routes. Most of these are just cut.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:10 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
dbo861 wrote:

So now the schedule is coming out tomorrow?

Update at 7:30pm PDT, it STILL says the sked-extension will be issued tomorrow, March 15!

I suspect they had a few adjustments -- removal of the Max8s that they had included in the November sked extension (that couldn't be replaced with other available aircraft) -- and it looks like it didn't take that much effort or time to accomplish.

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens tomorrow!

bb


I would guess they just flipped them to 800s as placeholders, if they changed them at all. They have to imagine the MAXs will be back in the air by then. They can just flip them back once they are approved to fly again. Probably the bigger reason it was pushed back is that they were trying to figure out how to reschedule March/April and didn't want to do a new schedule push during that.
October is a pretty slow travel month. They might be able to cover their whole schedule without the MAX.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:29 pm

bob75013 wrote:
The biggest news isn't the actual schedule. It's that we now have some idea about ongoing hawaii pricing as well as schedule:

Fly to Hawaii for 10,527 Points or $159 One-Way
Southwest’s new Hawaii service is about to start in just a few days on March 17th! When those flights were originally announced, we saw incredibly low fares of just $49 one-way! Unfortunately, this schedule extension did not bring the same fares, although you can still book for $159 one-way during the month of October. While you might find similar pricing on other airlines (maybe?), remember you can fly 2-for-1 with the Southwest Companion Pass! Also, no additional Hawaiian routes were announced, so you are still looking at the following routes:

Oakland (OAK) to Honolulu (HNL)
Oakland (OAK) to Maui (OGG)
San Jose (SJC) to Honolulu (HNL)
San Jose (SJC) to Maui (OGG)
Inter-island Honolulu (HNL) to Maui (OGG)
Inter-island Honolulu (HNL) to Kona (KOA)


Additional Hawaii service and fares will be announced on Monday morning in HNL as the first flight leaves for OAK.

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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:46 pm

Only see BNA-SMF for May. Is the system still loading things in? Seems oddball
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:34 pm

It's interesting. What I've seen so far in looking over the SAN sked for October, is that WN has reinstated 2 routes that they cut in the August sked extension: PVR and TPA. (Maybe due to reduced travel during hurricane season?) Other seasonal routes, unfortunately, remain dropped in this extension, such as ORF & IND.

I don't recall before that when they are winding down from the peak summer schedule, heading for winter, that WN would cancel routes at the end of summer, then restart them in fall. I'm very happy to see this but curious to see if, for example, SAN-TPA will remain again all winter?

So far, I'm glad to see the strong summer skeds for 2019 seem to be holding together pretty well into the fall. Of course I'm curious to see if or when SAN actually sees any service to Hawaii on WN...

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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:58 pm

SANFan wrote:
It's interesting. What I've seen so far in looking over the SAN sked for October, is that WN has reinstated 2 routes that they cut in the August sked extension: PVR and TPA. (Maybe due to reduced travel during hurricane season?) Other seasonal routes, unfortunately, remain dropped in this extension, such as ORF & IND.

I don't recall before that when they are winding down from the peak summer schedule, heading for winter, that WN would cancel routes at the end of summer, then restart them in fall. I'm very happy to see this but curious to see if, for example, SAN-TPA will remain again all winter?

So far, I'm glad to see the strong summer skeds for 2019 seem to be holding together pretty well into the fall. Of course I'm curious to see if or when SAN actually sees any service to Hawaii on WN...

bb


It's so annoying that Southwest continues to run IND-SAN only 2 months out of the whole year.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.


Doesn’t DL have their own international feed to their BOS operation. Add in the benefit to having DL FF miles if you live in the NE versus WN. With DL those FF miles get you to vacation destinations like Hawaii from the east coast and back. With WN not so much and getting to a vacation destination on WN from the NE can involve some pretty inconvenient itineraries. I can imagine both the IND and the BOS traffic would benefit from DL over WN for most travel needs.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:39 pm

mcdu wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.


Doesn’t DL have their own international feed to their BOS operation. Add in the benefit to having DL FF miles if you live in the NE versus WN. With DL those FF miles get you to vacation destinations like Hawaii from the east coast and back. With WN not so much and getting to a vacation destination on WN from the NE can involve some pretty inconvenient itineraries. I can imagine both the IND and the BOS traffic would benefit from DL over WN for most travel needs.


BOS is a big international hub for DL with flights to Europe, so there's that feed.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:46 pm

zackary747 wrote:
It's so annoying that Southwest continues to run IND-SAN only 2 months out of the whole year.

For 3 years now, you're right. I've posted the DOT pax stats for the market several times and they show relatively steady pax numbers year round...

What's even more annoying to me is that no one else has jumped into that market as WN continues to under-serve it! Last winter, F9 did offer some limited service during part of the time that WN bailed but I continue to feel that it's a market that deserves and would support year round, daily service.

AS used to be my hope but now there are also other possibilities such as NK and even DL. But of course, once someone else starts serving the market, you can then count on seeing WN in there full time!

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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:47 pm

dolphinflyer wrote:
BNA-SMF shows operating n/s during May, but I don't see it in Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep/Oct.


Was it already in there for May before today? I guess I hadn’t noticed it before. Random to do it just that month.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:57 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF


WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:12 pm

jplatts wrote:
WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


BWI-EWR makes very little sense to me, considering you have frequent Amtrak service as a major piece of competition for any carrier running BWI-EWR.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:20 pm

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BWI-EWR makes very little sense to me, considering you have frequent Amtrak service as a major piece of competition for any carrier running BWI-EWR.


WN was likely adding BWI-EWR nonstop service in order to provide easier access to NYC from the eastern half of the Midwest and the Southeast on WN. WN will be able to provide much easier connections to and from NYC from CLT, CVG, CLE, CMH, DTW, GRR, IND, SDF, ORF, and RDU through BWI by adding BWI-EWR nonstop service.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:54 pm

MKE is status quo for the October schedule, +1 year-over-year based on DAL being restored in 2019. One item of note with this schedule is fully half of MKE's 34 weekday flights are on 175-seat aircraft, a new high. Of course MAX needs to be back in service by that point... :-/

Although it was correctly noted elsewhere FLL-MKE did not come back with this schedule, it did not operated last October either-- it resumed in November 2018 and will very likely be back with the next schedule.

jplatts wrote:
Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd


Twice-daily with morning and later PM service for business both directions. But with the train running continually through the day including Acela which does downtown Newark to downtown Baltimore in 120-130 minutes I don't see why anybody but hardcore flight freaks would every fly this locally. The obvious purpose of EWR-BWI is to offer lots of connections over their big Baltimore de facto hub. But so far doing quick checks in several EWR-BWI-xxx markets seem underwhelming. Not roundly awful, and not useless. But quite a few of the EWR city pairs I checked anecdotally had connections over BWI which were not much better than connections already offered over places like MDW, BNA or STL. I was really hoping to find connections over BWI filled anew some broad connection gaps to key Southwest markets but I felt a little underwhelmed by what I found so far.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:10 pm

I was surprised to not see any DAL-BWI-EWR options pop up on a Friday in October.

However, DAL-STL-EWR and DAL-BNA-EWR are within 50 miles total of DAL-BWI-EWR. So they are all good options.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:20 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


BWI-EWR makes very little sense to me, considering you have frequent Amtrak service as a major piece of competition for any carrier running BWI-EWR.

WN permanently dropped FL-EWR (maybe keeping MCO seasonally) and in doing that lost some connectivity. This essentially just supplies east coast connectivity.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:30 pm

jplatts wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BWI-EWR makes very little sense to me, considering you have frequent Amtrak service as a major piece of competition for any carrier running BWI-EWR.


WN was likely adding BWI-EWR nonstop service in order to provide easier access to NYC from the eastern half of the Midwest and the Southeast on WN. WN will be able to provide much easier connections to and from NYC from CLT, CVG, CLE, CMH, DTW, GRR, IND, SDF, ORF, and RDU through BWI by adding BWI-EWR nonstop service.


Seems like a really strange route. I don't see how there can be any non-stop demand here even for people living next to EWR airport. It's 3 hours driving from Newark to Baltimore. In terms of connection, there is non-stop service from EWR to anywhere that WN would be able to connect people to. Other than rock bottom fares, I don't see why people would fly WN to those spots. I can't see this route lasting too long. Seems like a lot of effort by WN to try to get something working in EWR so they can have an adequate number of slots there whenever slot system is reinstated there.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:30 pm

tphuang wrote:
jco613 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Just picking Oct 28 to look at, FLL-PVD looks to be back.
ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL are all gone still
MKE looks to be gone
GCM and PLS are back, BZE remains not available.
DCA is back to 2 aday.


Seeing this too and I have a FLL-BDL trip to book for October. Also seeing. A lot of flights listed as partially 800s “sold out”.

Hoping they are just being conservative on the runway work at FLL. I fully believe their full schedule will return for thanksgiving but I’m not fully optimistic going beyond the “busy” season. WN, if you read this, there are a lot of people who choose you over B6. Don’t make me fly them!


out of ISP, BDL, BUF, ALB, PHL, I think BDL might be the least likely to come back to full daily service. btw, I don't really consider Sat only service to be real competition. Based on this update and how many flights did come back for the winter, I think you are unlikely to see much more restored routes. Most of these are just cut.

Unfortunately, I agree. WN built up a niche in PVD which is why you see them with multiple dailies and B6 sticking with one. Surprised to see ISP not back first as they essentially have a monopoly there (sans a few frontier flights a week). I think WN has grossly mishandled ISP since moving to NYC airports and they are very lucky it hasn’t cost them more than F9.

With BDL, it’s a numbers game. B6 flies twice daily year round, NK is 1-2 daily and WN is (currently) 1 daily. Just way too much capacity and the reality is that most NE-Florida business outside of NYC is northeast based. (It’s why B6 doesn’t promote their card on the flights down but comes around with the sign up sheets when everyone is happy going home /rant). The reality is most NE customers and BDL specifically are loyal to B6. BUF is so seasonally based that WN runs up to 5 maybe even 6 Saturday flights in high season. There’s just not a lot of summer business unlike the coastal cities that at least have some need for summer service. ALB is a toss up with neither WN or B6 having good recognition there and PHL is, well, PHL.

I get to fly FLL-EWR on WN in a few weeks. I’m excited to fly it as I want to see their EWR ops but it will be sad to see the daily NYC-Florida WN route disappear in a few weeks. Even the LGA weekend flight goes away soon.

At least they tried, I guess!
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:36 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
BNA-SMF


See no SMF-BNA nonstops. Only one-stop thru flights. Looked week of 10/16.

I would have swore it was on the route map. I can’t check now though on my mobile. Maybe I was still over STL


Lol, I see they added Su-Fr nonstops from May 5-Jun 7.I wasn't looking that close in....
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:37 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
BNA-SMF


See no SMF-BNA nonstops. Only one-stop thru flights. Looked week of 10/16.

I would have swore it was on the route map. I can’t check now though on my mobile. Maybe I was still over STL


Lol, I see they added Su-Fr nonstops from May 5-Jun 7.I wasn't looking that close in....
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:12 pm

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Seems like a really strange route. I don't see how there can be any non-stop demand here even for people living next to EWR airport. It's 3 hours driving from Newark to Baltimore. In terms of connection, there is non-stop service from EWR to anywhere that WN would be able to connect people to. Other than rock bottom fares, I don't see why people would fly WN to those spots. I can't see this route lasting too long. Seems like a lot of effort by WN to try to get something working in EWR so they can have an adequate number of slots there whenever slot system is reinstated there.


There might actually be some non-connecting O&D traffic between BWI and EWR on WN's EWR-BWI nonstops since (a) there is a lot of O&D demand to both LGA and JFK from DCA, (b) there are some travelers in the Baltimore/Washington region who are willing to fly to NYC from DC, (c) WN has a larger presence in the Baltimore/Washington region than in any market other than Greater Los Angeles, and (c) there was more O&D demand for BWI-EWR nonstop service in the past.

There are some connecting passengers from markets other than NYC or Baltimore/DC who would be willing to connect to EWR through BWI on WN, and WN serving EWR nonstop from BWI would allow for easier connections to NYC from places in the Midwest and Southeast that don't have nonstop service to NYC on WN.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:18 pm

jplatts wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Seems like a really strange route. I don't see how there can be any non-stop demand here even for people living next to EWR airport. It's 3 hours driving from Newark to Baltimore. In terms of connection, there is non-stop service from EWR to anywhere that WN would be able to connect people to. Other than rock bottom fares, I don't see why people would fly WN to those spots. I can't see this route lasting too long. Seems like a lot of effort by WN to try to get something working in EWR so they can have an adequate number of slots there whenever slot system is reinstated there.


There might actually be some non-connecting O&D traffic between BWI and EWR on WN's EWR-BWI nonstops since (a) there is a lot of O&D demand to both LGA and JFK from DCA, (b) there are some travelers in the Baltimore/Washington region who are willing to fly to NYC from DC, (c) WN has a larger presence in the Baltimore/Washington region than in any market other than Greater Los Angeles, and (c) there was more O&D demand for BWI-EWR nonstop service in the past.

There are some connecting passengers from markets other than NYC or Baltimore/DC who would be willing to connect to EWR through BWI on WN, and WN serving EWR nonstop from BWI would allow for easier connections to NYC from places in the Midwest and Southeast that don't have nonstop service to NYC on WN.


BWI-EWR is far closer than LGA-DCA. it's a 2 hours train ride or a 3 hour drive. Even UA give up on BWI-EWR and it can connect passengers from BWI to a lot of international locations not available direct.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:40 pm

There is no BWI-EWR right now since UA dropped it last year
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm

tphuang wrote:
BWI-EWR is far closer than LGA-DCA. it's a 2 hours train ride or a 3 hour drive. Even UA give up on BWI-EWR and it can connect passengers from BWI to a lot of international locations not available direct.


I agree with your point, and WN has a few nonstop routes shorter than BWI-EWR such as ATL-GSP, AUS-HOU, BWI-ORF, MDW-GRR, HNL-OGG (future), and HNL-KOA (future). However, both AUS-HOU and BWI-ORF also have some O&D traffic with there being an average of 109 passengers per day on BWI-ORF (both directions) in Q2 2018 and an average of 138 passengers per day on AUS-HOU (both directions) in Q2 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:56 pm

BWI-ORF is a longstanding route with no viable public transport alternatives. Driving from Tidewater to the Baltimore region is a nightmare... 64 to 95 isn't even an option anymore with round the clock congestion from Fredericksburg to the DC beltway and frequent delays between the 7 cities and Richmond.
Hard to compare that to EWR, especially with ATC related congestion and frequent Amtrak service from BWI to anywhere in the EWR cachement area.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:10 pm

CHOWahoo wrote:
BWI-ORF is a longstanding route with no viable public transport alternatives. Driving from Tidewater to the Baltimore region is a nightmare... 64 to 95 isn't even an option anymore with round the clock congestion from Fredericksburg to the DC beltway and frequent delays between the 7 cities and Richmond.
Hard to compare that to EWR, especially with ATC related congestion and frequent Amtrak service from BWI to anywhere in the EWR cachement area.


Actually, there are two Amtrak trains per day between Baltimore and Norfolk (although it’s a long ride).
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:31 pm

Yes and it's a miserable 5 1/2 hour train ride with a 30 min engine swap in DC vs. 1 hour blocked for the flight. Acela takes 2hr,10min from BWI to Newark Penn vs. a likely flight time of 1h 20min.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:29 am

jplatts wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF


WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:32 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF


WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?
I mean, DL does it. Take DTW-BZN for example, it was originally labeled as a limited time only service with the E175. Service must have done well since the flight is returning in the summer on an A319 and again next winter with the 737-800. WN is trying a similar strategy with larger sized markets that don't have service.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:43 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF


WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?


I would guess that this is the logic: If it can be even remotely profitable on a 1x per Sunday, then surely it'll make it throughout the rest of the week.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:33 am

Jshank83 wrote:
STL-SLC added
BNA-BUF
BNA-SMF


Ha! I showed my 72yo parents the BNA-BUF flight and they did a lap around the house. They have been wanting that route for 46 years...
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:55 pm

WN732 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?


I would guess that this is the logic: If it can be even remotely profitable on a 1x per Sunday, then surely it'll make it throughout the rest of the week.


WN in Buffalo / BNIA had seasonal service to DEN before they announced the a daily route.

But the weekend only 1 day a week, I am not sure about that. The airlines also should have stats from the airports about where passengers fly on a daily basis to know if their is demand for the route.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:15 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
mcdu wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.


Doesn’t DL have their own international feed to their BOS operation. Add in the benefit to having DL FF miles if you live in the NE versus WN. With DL those FF miles get you to vacation destinations like Hawaii from the east coast and back. With WN not so much and getting to a vacation destination on WN from the NE can involve some pretty inconvenient itineraries. I can imagine both the IND and the BOS traffic would benefit from DL over WN for most travel needs.


BOS is a big international hub for DL with flights to Europe, so there's that feed.


JFK is much the bigger TATL hub for DL. JFK-IND actually has less capacity than BOS-IND so I don't think TATL connections is the reason for DL's success BOS-IND.

Midwestindy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
I understand IND-BOS might be a thin route but it's still surprising that 3x DL E-170s could drive them off.


WN has cut all the IND-Northeast routes in the past 1-2 years(DCA, EWR, and now BOS), plus cut back service to SAN, LAX, OAK, and MDW. Not too surprised here.....


The way you put it, WN is comprehensively giving up on IND-Northeast/MidAtlantic, not a function of Delta's performance BOS-IND specifically.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:23 pm

Well One more day to Hawaii service!
Unfortunately the MAX8 grounding dampen the next wave of additional service.

Don't know how factually correct this is since I'm wrong 99.% of the time but here the latest and greatest news.
KOA stays just inter island until NOV.
SMF-HNL added in JUNE OGG in July
SAN in OCT.
LIH inter island pushes to DEC.
LAX Spring 2020
LAS,PHX,DEN summer 2020.
ITO back on the shelf under review again in 2020.

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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:40 pm

WN732 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?


I would guess that this is the logic: If it can be even remotely profitable on a 1x per Sunday, then surely it'll make it throughout the rest of the week.


That doesn’t seem universally true. BNA-OKC has stuck at Sundays only for a couple of years. Apparently they are happy enough with the results.
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:45 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?


I would guess that this is the logic: If it can be even remotely profitable on a 1x per Sunday, then surely it'll make it throughout the rest of the week.


That doesn’t seem universally true. BNA-OKC has stuck at Sundays only for a couple of years. Apparently they are happy enough with the results.


Okay thank you for posting that. I hope you are right!
 
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Re: Southwest schedule due out 3/14 /19

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:47 pm

WN732 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN announced the following today:
  • Return of STL-SLC nonstop service (weekend-only between August 10th and September 29th, daily starting on October 2nd)
  • Daily BWI-EWR nonstop service, starting on October 2nd
  • Weekend-only BNA-BUF nonstop service, starting on October 5th
  • Sunday-only HOU-AMA nonstop service, starting on October 6th
  • Sunday-only DAL-CLE nonstop service, starting on October 6th

The press release with the adds listed above can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-c06a3e840c57c0ad7c0871e84c0ed4fa-southwest-airlines-adds-new-nonstop-flights-to-route-map.


I still dont understand WN and the weekend only flights ..... how can the route be successful or whats the point?


I would guess that this is the logic: If it can be even remotely profitable on a 1x per Sunday, then surely it'll make it throughout the rest of the week.


Might only have a plane available on Sunday. I would rather have a Sunday only than Saturday only.

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