debonair
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B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:35 am

Hi to you all, sorry if discussed before, but I think it is worth to open a new topic.

Due to the sudden closure of the European airspace, many B737MAX and their passengers are stranded abroad at non scheduled destinations for the airlines. What will happen to those aircraft/passengers affected? Will we see a 2nd norwegian Shiraz like drama? Here a list of flights I found so far:

SMARTWINGS DXB-PRG stranded in Ankara:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 1#1fc767d2

SMARTWINGS SID-PRG stranded in Tunis:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a#1fc76ab3

AirItaly CAI-MXP return cancelled, stranded in CAI

TUIfly HRG-BRU stranded in Bologna:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a#1fc3049b

TUIfly HRG-AMS stranded in Sofia:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... o#1fc7586d
Last edited by debonair on Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
navjotgill45
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 am

Probably repatriation flights
 
vfw614
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:41 am

I am pretty sure pax are already on their way back home, either on other airlines or on aircraft sent by the airlines themselves.

As I understand the EASA directive, positioning flights with pax on aircraft registered in the EU are not possible with the airworthiness direticve in place - or is there a backdoor in that directive? Apparently non-EU aircraft could do non-commercial flights (e.g. the flydubai MAX that positioned empty from HEL to DXB last night).
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:43 am

I think Fiji Airways Nandi to Adelaide flight has been affected. Not sure on Nandi Melbourne, they are mostly 737s not sure if they are operating their 330s to Melbourne like they to do Sydney.
 
outbackair
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:52 am

Australia has banned 737Max in Australia, so SilkAir and Fiji Airways have had to change aircraft.
 
Paolo18
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:56 am

It won't be long before lawyers will get a sniff and be asking for compensation for the airlines.
This is a pr disaster for Boeing.
 
Andy33
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:06 am

As I understand the EASA directive, there's nothing to prevent airlines returning MAX aircraft to their home or other maintenance bases as long as no passengers are on board. So no aircraft are necessarily stranded as long as the country they're currently in doesn't have more onerous restrictions, but may be waiting for crew to complete statutory rest periods before positioning - or of course parking may be cheaper at the airport they're already at!. Smartwings appear to have been taken totally unaware by the directive and the progressive closures of national airspaces that preceded it, whereas other airlines operating MAXs within or into EASA jurisdiction were either expecting something or were able to respond more quickly.
 
RossW
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:17 am

Andy33 wrote:
As I understand the EASA directive, there's nothing to prevent airlines returning MAX aircraft to their home or other maintenance bases as long as no passengers are on board. So no aircraft are necessarily stranded as long as the country they're currently in doesn't have more onerous restrictions, but may be waiting for crew to complete statutory rest periods before positioning - or of course parking may be cheaper at the airport they're already at!. Smartwings appear to have been taken totally unaware by the directive and the progressive closures of national airspaces that preceded it, whereas other airlines operating MAXs within or into EASA jurisdiction were either expecting something or were able to respond more quickly.


What about in cases such as the ruling by the UK CAA / Germany whereby they have explicitly banned MAX aircraft from flying in UK/German airspace?
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:20 am

Here is an example of a positioning flight, without pax, over Europe right now
https://www.flightradar24.com/TVS420P/1fc96695
 
Andy33
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:28 am

I've not seen details of the German ban, but the UK one quite specifically refers to passenger-carrying flights only. No UK-or Ireland based MAXs are away from a company base (Ireland has a ban too, and Norwegian uses them from DUB), and no MAX's are home-base in Germany at present.
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:28 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
I think Fiji Airways Nandi to Adelaide flight has been affected. Not sure on Nandi Melbourne, they are mostly 737s not sure if they are operating their 330s to Melbourne like they to do Sydney.


Fiji airways has six 737 so grounding two will impact there operations. Tried to find out what they are doing to compensate it seems their 330 fleet is getting some extra flights.
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:29 am

RossW wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
As I understand the EASA directive, there's nothing to prevent airlines returning MAX aircraft to their home or other maintenance bases as long as no passengers are on board. So no aircraft are necessarily stranded as long as the country they're currently in doesn't have more onerous restrictions, but may be waiting for crew to complete statutory rest periods before positioning - or of course parking may be cheaper at the airport they're already at!. Smartwings appear to have been taken totally unaware by the directive and the progressive closures of national airspaces that preceded it, whereas other airlines operating MAXs within or into EASA jurisdiction were either expecting something or were able to respond more quickly.


What about in cases such as the ruling by the UK CAA / Germany whereby they have explicitly banned MAX aircraft from flying in UK/German airspace?


UK ban is only for commercial passenger flights, not for empty positioning flights.
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https://www.caa.co.uk/News/Boeing-737-MAX-Aircraft/
 
Kikko19
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:37 am

thanks god it didn't happen during the high season.
I wonder (as the thread was closed) who'll pay for all this mess (hopefully solved soon)
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:48 pm

Andy33 wrote:
I've not seen details of the German ban, but the UK one quite specifically refers to passenger-carrying flights only. No UK-or Ireland based MAXs are away from a company base (Ireland has a ban too, and Norwegian uses them from DUB), and no MAX's are home-base in Germany at present.


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ghYHZ
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:17 pm

Sunwing has grounded their Max8s. A coworker flew to Montego Bay from Halifax last Sunday…so for now they’re ‘Stranded’ but it looks like Sunwing will realign schedules with their other aircraft.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.5052946

Air Canada has cancelled their TATL Max8 operations from St. John’s and Halifax to Heathrow. In fact the return flight to Halifax yesterday got out of Heathrow just minutes before the airspace was closed. This is particularly inconvenient for St. John’s passengers as they must now backhaul 3 hrs west to YYZ to connect …where the nonstop flight to Heathrow is only a little of 4 hrs.
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:56 pm

Norwegian will be utilizing the B787 on there DUB-SWF route, due to the max grounding. Unfortunately for passengers traveling to/from PVD all Norwegian is offering is a bus service to SWF from PVD to get the 787 flight. Personally I am surprised Norwegian had a spare 787 to do this, given how much sub-service they were using previously.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/norw ... _nAG3OWAjk
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:54 pm

I guess the likes of Titan Airways have the phone ringing off the hook.
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OB1504
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 pm

Delta is operating MIA-BSB with an A330 and a 767-400 on behalf of GOL.
 
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 pm

I’m at Kona, HI airport PHKO and according to FlightAware there’s a UA Max9 about to arrive from LAX. Evidently the ban went into effect while the plane was enroute. What about the return pax? Has UA dispatched a plane from the mainland to haul the pax home today? I should hope so.
 
Cmac787
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Re: B737MAX and Passenger stranded

Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:08 pm

The flight Back to LAX was Cancelled. However there is room on the other flights to LAX and SFO to accommodate all passengers

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