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3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:07 pm

As of 7:00 pm EST on March 13, there are 3 out of 4 Sunwing 737Max in the air going from YYZ to YQG under flights WG9001/9002/9003

I guess Sunwing expects a long grounding and is thinking about charges at YYZ.

This thing might take more than a couple of days to fix.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:26 pm

I am going to bet at least 3 months. It's going to be longer than the 787 grounding.
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:54 pm

ytz wrote:
I am going to bet at least 3 months. It's going to be longer than the 787 grounding.


Highly unlikely it will be more than a few weeks. Given that it was almost certainly relsted to the MCAS issue, it’ll likely be resolved pretty soon by a combination of pilot training and a software update Boeing is working on.

I know all you like to do is bash and be a negative nancy towards Boeing, but it really isn’t called for.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:07 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
I know all you like to do is bash and be a negative nancy towards Boeing, but it really isn’t called for.


I’m sure 364 fatalities definitely calls for it.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:10 am

Interesting... Explains the max I saw with ground equip around it at yyz earlier.

AC seems to be happy parking up at yyz... I counted 6 7m8 of theirs about 4pm.

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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:42 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
ytz wrote:
I am going to bet at least 3 months. It's going to be longer than the 787 grounding.


Highly unlikely it will be more than a few weeks. Given that it was almost certainly relsted to the MCAS issue, it’ll likely be resolved pretty soon by a combination of pilot training and a software update Boeing is working on.

That would be my guess as well.

I have no inside knowledge, but Boeing has indicated that a software adjustment was already being worked on and should be ready by the beginning of April. I doubt much additional training would be required, as after the Lion Air accident, it seems everyone was reminded to review the related drills and has been already added to simulator training.

pipeafcr wrote:
I’m sure 364 fatalities definitely calls for it.

The number of fatalities has been quoted a lot lately. 364 is a lot. But .. would it be any less tragic or more palatable had there only been, say 20 passengers on each flight? Of course not.

Each governing body, each airline and Boeing has responded because there were any deaths. The greater the number, does not increase the need. (Although, CNN has admitted that any triple digit death count increases their viewership!!!!)
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:11 am

Flightaware shows the 4th Max flying to YQG tonight from YEG. I'm guessing they're being stored at AAR? I don't know where else they'd be as YQG doesn't have that much apron room.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:18 am

Going to AAR? Good way to get them back on the line fast, if so.
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:25 am

One would think that the MCAS could just be updated to be eliminated. Seems like an unecessary thing anyway....
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:42 am

northstardc4m wrote:
Interesting... Explains the max I saw with ground equip around it at yyz earlier.

AC seems to be happy parking up at yyz... I counted 6 7m8 of theirs about 4pm.

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Aircraft are being moved to most cities for AC, YYZ, YVR, YYC, YHZ.......

WS is moving planes to YYC, YYZ, YVR, YHM & YLW. YHM and YLW were planned so the new seating configuration can be installed during the downtime.
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:23 am

mtnwest1979 wrote:
One would think that the MCAS could just be updated to be eliminated. Seems like an unecessary thing anyway....


Well that's the problem; MCAS was needed due to the MAX updates making the aircraft more unstable than the NG. Kindof a lose-lose situation for Boeing.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:25 am

AA is sending several 737 MAX's to MLB from MIA tomorrow. Likely going to STS to get WiFi, seems like a good time to do it I suppose.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:31 am

mtnwest1979 wrote:
One would think that the MCAS could just be updated to be eliminated. Seems like an unecessary thing anyway....

The reason for MCAS was to allow the Max to have similar flight characteristics as the NG, allowing them to be operated under a common Type Certificate. If they eliminate MCAS, it would require additional pilot training and a different TC, something airlines were trying to avoid.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:18 am

Moose135 wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
One would think that the MCAS could just be updated to be eliminated. Seems like an unecessary thing anyway....

The reason for MCAS was to allow the Max to have similar flight characteristics as the NG, allowing them to be operated under a common Type Certificate. If they eliminate MCAS, it would require additional pilot training and a different TC, something airlines were trying to avoid.

So it’s technically feasible to eliminate MCAS? Maybe in hindsight that’s what they should’ve done, biting the bullet for additional training and requiring a different TC. A few airlines may have taken their business elsewhere, but that would’ve been preferable compared to the consequences facing Boeing now as well as the tragic loss of life.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:24 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
So it’s technically feasible to eliminate MCAS? Maybe in hindsight that’s what they should’ve done, biting the bullet for additional training and requiring a different TC. A few airlines may have taken their business elsewhere, but that would’ve been preferable compared to the consequences facing Boeing now as well as the tragic loss of life.

From what I've seen here and elsewhere, it was folks like Southwest who were pushing for the common TC, and obviously they are a huge player in the 737 world. I don't know that they would have taken their business to Airbus, but I can see Boeing wanting to accommodate one of their largest customers.
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:32 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
Interesting... Explains the max I saw with ground equip around it at yyz earlier.

AC seems to be happy parking up at yyz... I counted 6 7m8 of theirs about 4pm.

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AC's agreement with Pearson allows them to park with no additional cost overnight. Now I have zero idea what happens with grounding situations, but generally AC would not need to pay, Sunwing would.

Now that we are in a grounding situation, not sure if that is covered in the agreement and what it states.
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:20 pm

I also noticed about four AA 737-Max planes heading to Tulsa right now
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:29 pm

fsnuffer wrote:
I also noticed about four AA 737-Max planes heading to Tulsa right now


That makes sense. AA has been doing their MAX inductions at their huge MX base there.

I assume all their MAX's will roll thru TUL to have whatever re-work is neccesary completed

before putting them back into service.
 
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Went by the airport today to see 3 of the Sunwing Max 8s comically jammed in the Southern corner of the ramp with the 4th on the west ramp by the operations building. Someone who works there told me AC wants to send some Max 8s to YQG as well but management is trying to figure out exactly how many they can fit on property
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Re: 3 SUNWING 737Max heading to Windsor

Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:37 pm

I get the feeling they are pre-emptive my sending them there anticipating AAR will be able to do the updates to the software. They do all the EIS work, I think it's a fair assumption.

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